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Post-match Thread: Fleetwood Town vs Charlton Athletic | Saturday 2nd October 2021

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  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,890
    edited October 2021
    Covered End said:
    jonno said:
    Brief highlights up on Sky https://www.skysports.com/football/fleetwood-town-vs-charlton-athletic/report/448016
    Some great action there, but right at the start was that Gunter (who is as bad as Matthews), who just stood still and let their player run in unchallenged?

    How can an experienced player be that inept week in week out?
    I mean you don't even have to be able to play football, to be able to run alongside someone and keep goal side of them.
    It looks to me as if he’s slightly distracted by a player advancing out wide and is telling someone to pick him up whilst trying to hold a high line. However the opponent points to where he wants the ball and times his run to perfection. I agree though he switched off momentarily which is all it takes and McGillivray saved his bacon and a disastrous 0-1 early doors.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,402
    Bostonaddick said:
    Solid performance.  Kirk and Lee teamed up well and added much needed creativity.  They both perform so much better when the two midfielders behind them provide energy and cover given their defensive limitations. Can Arter and Gilbey provide that all season - I hope so because, I am not convinced that the likes of Dobson, Morgan or Watson can cover that much of the pitch.  Typical Leko performance - frustrating most of the match but then 2 or 3 moments of absolute brilliance. Defense was a little shaky in possession which will be a concern until at least January. Also, I am not completely convinced yet with Davison and Soare.  Davison has shown a lot of energy and decent pace this year, I just don’t know if he has that scorers mentality to lead the line.  I would lean towards Stockley and Purrington as long as we don’t revert to hoof ball with Stockley.  All in all,  positive signs
    Aaagh no way
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,980
    edited October 2021
    RedChaser said:
    Covered End said:
    jonno said:
    Brief highlights up on Sky https://www.skysports.com/football/fleetwood-town-vs-charlton-athletic/report/448016
    Some great action there, but right at the start was that Gunter (who is as bad as Matthews), who just stood still and let their player run in unchallenged?

    How can an experienced player be that inept week in week out?
    I mean you don't even have to be able to play football, to be able to run alongside someone and keep goal side of them.
    It looks to me as if he’s slightly distracted by a player advancing out wide and is telling someone to pick him up whilst trying to hold a high line. However the opponent points to where he wants the ball and times his run to perfection. I agree though he switched of momentarily which is all it takes and McGillivray saved his bacon and a disastrous 0-1 early doors.
    That was a cracking 1st touch by the Fleetwood 32, then great vision decisively picking out their striker with a long penetrating pass.
    He created that goal opportunity out of nothing.


  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,759
    A decent performance and very unexpected after the capitulation in the week.

    That midfield looked far more balanced. First time I have seen Arter and I was actually pretty impressed. Shirtliff mentioned how well he had tidied up on the commentary. He will get better as he gets fitter.

    Leko, considering he was booked so early and looked to be getting wound up gave their left back a torrid time. Interesting that he said in his post match interview that he sees himself as a winger and that is where he prefers to play.

    We still look vulnerable at the back and I am not convinced by either Lavelle or Famewo at the moment. Clear we have a big problem at right back, neither Gunter of Matthews are up to it imo - both making schoolboy errors. Like the look of Soure and he is another who will get better as he plays more.

    Nice to seek Kirk finally show a bit of form, although his miss could have been costly and it was a piss poor effort.

    I was impressed with how they reacted to getting pegged back so early on, fully expected us to crumble again.

    Still not convinced by Adkins, but I think today does show that he has not lost the dressing room as there was proper shifts put in.

    At times we looked fluid and put together some nice attacking moves. Need to get Lee on the ball further up the pitch as he is a real threat.

    Only real downer was the fact that we are again missing chances. Certainly something to build from, and a shame we now have a break from the league.

    Will be interesting to see what team he puts out on Tuesday. There are senior players who need game time and as we all know wins (regardless of the competition) build confidence and momentum.
  • ISawLeaburnScore
    ISawLeaburnScore Posts: 9,779
    JamesSeed said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    Solid performance.  Kirk and Lee teamed up well and added much needed creativity.  They both perform so much better when the two midfielders behind them provide energy and cover given their defensive limitations. Can Arter and Gilbey provide that all season - I hope so because, I am not convinced that the likes of Dobson, Morgan or Watson can cover that much of the pitch.  Typical Leko performance - frustrating most of the match but then 2 or 3 moments of absolute brilliance. Defense was a little shaky in possession which will be a concern until at least January. Also, I am not completely convinced yet with Davison and Soare.  Davison has shown a lot of energy and decent pace this year, I just don’t know if he has that scorers mentality to lead the line.  I would lean towards Stockley and Purrington as long as we don’t revert to hoof ball with Stockley.  All in all,  positive signs
    Aaagh no way
    Davison works hard but he would not have scored the chance Stockley did today.

    Stockley is the best forward at the club. He should start. Why overcomplicate things. If professional footballers cannot resist temptation to pump long balls to him they should be managed better.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    ISawLeaburnScore said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    Solid performance.  Kirk and Lee teamed up well and added much needed creativity.  They both perform so much better when the two midfielders behind them provide energy and cover given their defensive limitations. Can Arter and Gilbey provide that all season - I hope so because, I am not convinced that the likes of Dobson, Morgan or Watson can cover that much of the pitch.  Typical Leko performance - frustrating most of the match but then 2 or 3 moments of absolute brilliance. Defense was a little shaky in possession which will be a concern until at least January. Also, I am not completely convinced yet with Davison and Soare.  Davison has shown a lot of energy and decent pace this year, I just don’t know if he has that scorers mentality to lead the line.  I would lean towards Stockley and Purrington as long as we don’t revert to hoof ball with Stockley.  All in all,  positive signs
    Aaagh no way
    Davison works hard but he would not have scored the chance Stockley did today.

    Stockley is the best forward at the club. He should start. Why overcomplicate things. If professional footballers cannot resist temptation to pump long balls to him they should be managed better.
    Just the same thing people said of Stockley for Josh's last couple of goals.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,402
    edited October 2021
    stonemuse said:
    Karim_myBagheri said:
    That photo of Arter celebrating makes me think he cares. I think he will become a decent signing. @Leuth might not like my opinion though. 
    I agree with you … some have written him off far too soon 
    Yes, absolutely ludicrous to write him off when he’s hardly played. Bloke looks classy. 
    Never felt more nervous watching Charlton than in those last ten minutes. Great result though, and it’s just beginning to come together. Hopefully. 

    Two killer early tackles from Arter showed that he was up for it today. Lots of promising signs today. 
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,519
    Chippycafc said:
    Great result lads, on 12 hour days today, and just find out the score when i sneaked into one of our out stations and tuned in. (not supposed too by hey ho i am the boss). Just hope we can keep this going.
    Where are you…….Afghanistan?
  • ISawLeaburnScore
    ISawLeaburnScore Posts: 9,779
    Dazzler21 said:
    ISawLeaburnScore said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    Solid performance.  Kirk and Lee teamed up well and added much needed creativity.  They both perform so much better when the two midfielders behind them provide energy and cover given their defensive limitations. Can Arter and Gilbey provide that all season - I hope so because, I am not convinced that the likes of Dobson, Morgan or Watson can cover that much of the pitch.  Typical Leko performance - frustrating most of the match but then 2 or 3 moments of absolute brilliance. Defense was a little shaky in possession which will be a concern until at least January. Also, I am not completely convinced yet with Davison and Soare.  Davison has shown a lot of energy and decent pace this year, I just don’t know if he has that scorers mentality to lead the line.  I would lean towards Stockley and Purrington as long as we don’t revert to hoof ball with Stockley.  All in all,  positive signs
    Aaagh no way
    Davison works hard but he would not have scored the chance Stockley did today.

    Stockley is the best forward at the club. He should start. Why overcomplicate things. If professional footballers cannot resist temptation to pump long balls to him they should be managed better.
    Just the same thing people said of Stockley for Josh's last couple of goals.
    I like Davison but I thought the Portsmouth goal was a chance any professional striker should take.

    We have got a big squad and in my opinion we need to focus on playing our best players. Fortunately the Adkins tombola spat out Arter, Gilbey, Lee, Kirk and Leko today which is our strongest 5 midfielders by miles. I think Stockley is the right forward to go with them.
  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,817
    Croydon said:
    Much better performance all round. We deserved the win, would have been sickening to concede at the death.

    That wasn't a performance of a side who's manager has lost the dressing room. Loan players steaming into challenges and everyone giving effort, even if quality still lacked at times. 

    Of course it's only Fleetwood, but an away win in shit conditions is good wherever you get it. Results in this league are mad so I feel we can kick on from this. 

    Shout out to Fleetwood for being the most northern looking town around


    ……and that’s the posh part of town too.

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  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    Dazzler21 said:
    ISawLeaburnScore said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    Solid performance.  Kirk and Lee teamed up well and added much needed creativity.  They both perform so much better when the two midfielders behind them provide energy and cover given their defensive limitations. Can Arter and Gilbey provide that all season - I hope so because, I am not convinced that the likes of Dobson, Morgan or Watson can cover that much of the pitch.  Typical Leko performance - frustrating most of the match but then 2 or 3 moments of absolute brilliance. Defense was a little shaky in possession which will be a concern until at least January. Also, I am not completely convinced yet with Davison and Soare.  Davison has shown a lot of energy and decent pace this year, I just don’t know if he has that scorers mentality to lead the line.  I would lean towards Stockley and Purrington as long as we don’t revert to hoof ball with Stockley.  All in all,  positive signs
    Aaagh no way
    Davison works hard but he would not have scored the chance Stockley did today.

    Stockley is the best forward at the club. He should start. Why overcomplicate things. If professional footballers cannot resist temptation to pump long balls to him they should be managed better.
    Just the same thing people said of Stockley for Josh's last couple of goals.
    Just out of interest as I didn’t see the game today, did our pattern of play go more direct when stockley came on, as this is the quandry  we have if we see him as the best forward but then that in turn doesn’t see us play our most effective football. Not that we’ve seen a lot of that this season!!😂
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,669
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Chippycafc said:
    Great result lads, on 12 hour days today, and just find out the score when i sneaked into one of our out stations and tuned in. (not supposed too by hey ho i am the boss). Just hope we can keep this going.
    Where are you…….Afghanistan?
    No. It’s worse than that. Berkshire .;0)
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,890
    edited October 2021
    Davison has earnt the right to lead the line and it’s good that Stockley now has competition to keep him on his toes. They both know where the goal is but have different attributes with the latter better at holding the ball up whilst the former is more mobile and effective when closing down. 

    It’s a shame you can’t make one all round striker from them but then again that player wouldn’t be plying his trade in the third tier. A nice selection headache for the manger.

  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,940
    Oggy Red said:
    Really liked Leko's goal .... from standing with the ball, he killed that defender with that sudden sharp movement to create the space to shoot.
    And a very decent strike too.

    Makes a nice change for us to score one like that rather than let them in!
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,096
    RedChaser said:
    Covered End said:
    jonno said:
    Brief highlights up on Sky https://www.skysports.com/football/fleetwood-town-vs-charlton-athletic/report/448016
    Some great action there, but right at the start was that Gunter (who is as bad as Matthews), who just stood still and let their player run in unchallenged?

    How can an experienced player be that inept week in week out?
    I mean you don't even have to be able to play football, to be able to run alongside someone and keep goal side of them.
    It looks to me as if he’s slightly distracted by a player advancing out wide and is telling someone to pick him up whilst trying to hold a high line. However the opponent points to where he wants the ball and times his run to perfection. I agree though he switched of momentarily which is all it takes and McGillivray saved his bacon and a disastrous 0-1 early doors.
    Agreed, he was pointing to Leko to get back & to get behind his man.
    In doing so he lets his own player run through unchallenged for a one on one with the keeper.
    I'm afraid both Matthews and Gunter are rank and they seem to be getting worse.
    They can't even get the basics right.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,250
    Amazing how the mood changes after one result.
    Let's hope this is the start of an upward trend.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,685
    Goodbye darkness my old friend.
  • ISawLeaburnScore
    ISawLeaburnScore Posts: 9,779
    Scoham said:
    ISawLeaburnScore said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    Solid performance.  Kirk and Lee teamed up well and added much needed creativity.  They both perform so much better when the two midfielders behind them provide energy and cover given their defensive limitations. Can Arter and Gilbey provide that all season - I hope so because, I am not convinced that the likes of Dobson, Morgan or Watson can cover that much of the pitch.  Typical Leko performance - frustrating most of the match but then 2 or 3 moments of absolute brilliance. Defense was a little shaky in possession which will be a concern until at least January. Also, I am not completely convinced yet with Davison and Soare.  Davison has shown a lot of energy and decent pace this year, I just don’t know if he has that scorers mentality to lead the line.  I would lean towards Stockley and Purrington as long as we don’t revert to hoof ball with Stockley.  All in all,  positive signs
    Aaagh no way
    Davison works hard but he would not have scored the chance Stockley did today.

    Stockley is the best forward at the club. He should start. Why overcomplicate things. If professional footballers cannot resist temptation to pump long balls to him they should be managed better.
    Why not? He's improved a lot and I can see that continuing. The gap between them is a lot smaller than we thought it was in the summer.

    He's now serious competition to Stockley and deserves to keep his place, though it was great to see Stockley score as a reminder he's a good player in this league.
    In my opinion he hasn't got the positional awareness or all-round game (yet) to oust Stockley. I think we look more threatening in the box with Stockley on the pitch. I don't buy that Stockley being a target man means he can't be surrounded by players who either have the intelligence or skill to play to his feet or feed off second balls.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,940
    SantaClaus said:
    Goodbye darkness my old friend.
    Until it comes to talk with us again ....

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  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,980
    ISawLeaburnScore said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    ISawLeaburnScore said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    Solid performance.  Kirk and Lee teamed up well and added much needed creativity.  They both perform so much better when the two midfielders behind them provide energy and cover given their defensive limitations. Can Arter and Gilbey provide that all season - I hope so because, I am not convinced that the likes of Dobson, Morgan or Watson can cover that much of the pitch.  Typical Leko performance - frustrating most of the match but then 2 or 3 moments of absolute brilliance. Defense was a little shaky in possession which will be a concern until at least January. Also, I am not completely convinced yet with Davison and Soare.  Davison has shown a lot of energy and decent pace this year, I just don’t know if he has that scorers mentality to lead the line.  I would lean towards Stockley and Purrington as long as we don’t revert to hoof ball with Stockley.  All in all,  positive signs
    Aaagh no way
    Davison works hard but he would not have scored the chance Stockley did today.

    Stockley is the best forward at the club. He should start. Why overcomplicate things. If professional footballers cannot resist temptation to pump long balls to him they should be managed better.
    Just the same thing people said of Stockley for Josh's last couple of goals.
    I like Davison but I thought the Portsmouth goal was a chance any professional striker should take.

    Of course ...... but he quickly got himself in the right place to score.
    That's the hard bit. 

    Even the chance he missed today, he anticipated well and got himself into the right place at right time.

    A simple chance or tap in may look easy .......... but there's no chance to be even missed if the player is not anticipating, getting himself into the right position.
    That's the often unappreciated striker skill.


  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,817
    It’s a great win, really pleased for Adkins and the team, but let’s not get carried away with one result.

    If promotion is like reaching the peak of Mount Everest then we have basically just got in the Taxi on the way to Heathrow, we have a very long journey ahead of us.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,685
    Off_it said:
    SantaClaus said:
    Goodbye darkness my old friend.
    Until it comes to talk with us again ....
    Don't harsh my mellow man.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,980
    Ormiston_Addick said:
    It’s a great win, really pleased for Adkins and the team, but let’s not get carried away with one result.

    If promotion is like reaching the peak of Mount Everest then we have basically just got in the Taxi on the way to Heathrow, we have a very long journey ahead of us.
    Yeah, but the longest journey starts with the first step.

    Oh, Lord ...... I sound like Nigel. :smile:


  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,522
    ISawLeaburnScore said:
    Scoham said:
    ISawLeaburnScore said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    Solid performance.  Kirk and Lee teamed up well and added much needed creativity.  They both perform so much better when the two midfielders behind them provide energy and cover given their defensive limitations. Can Arter and Gilbey provide that all season - I hope so because, I am not convinced that the likes of Dobson, Morgan or Watson can cover that much of the pitch.  Typical Leko performance - frustrating most of the match but then 2 or 3 moments of absolute brilliance. Defense was a little shaky in possession which will be a concern until at least January. Also, I am not completely convinced yet with Davison and Soare.  Davison has shown a lot of energy and decent pace this year, I just don’t know if he has that scorers mentality to lead the line.  I would lean towards Stockley and Purrington as long as we don’t revert to hoof ball with Stockley.  All in all,  positive signs
    Aaagh no way
    Davison works hard but he would not have scored the chance Stockley did today.

    Stockley is the best forward at the club. He should start. Why overcomplicate things. If professional footballers cannot resist temptation to pump long balls to him they should be managed better.
    Why not? He's improved a lot and I can see that continuing. The gap between them is a lot smaller than we thought it was in the summer.

    He's now serious competition to Stockley and deserves to keep his place, though it was great to see Stockley score as a reminder he's a good player in this league.
    In my opinion he hasn't got the positional awareness or all-round game (yet) to oust Stockley. I think we look more threatening in the box with Stockley on the pitch. I don't buy that Stockley being a target man means he can't be surrounded by players who either have the intelligence or skill to play to his feet or feed off second balls.
    Davison's shown signs he's capable of getting into good positions, as well as his two recent goals he had chances today.

    On the second part I agree, we have a team that should play decent football whoever is up front.
  • ro_addick
    ro_addick Posts: 285
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Amazing how the mood changes after one result.
    Let's hope this is the start of an upward trend.
    Let's hope so, indeed. It's needed. No time like the present to get a good run going and get ourselves up the table.
  • altrinchamaddick
    altrinchamaddick Posts: 947
    At the game. Really enjoyed the team performance for 80 mins. Leko superb and MoM. The midfield looked much more cohesive with Gilby looking classy on the ball with that skill to drift past players. Arter put in a shift and looks much fitter and committed. Lee is a rare player that has the ability to link play between midfield and forwards by getting into that gap between the defensive line and midfield. I also like the way he makes himself available to receive the ball from throw ins, something that we have been missing for years. 
    My only concern is playing out the last 10-16 minutes with added time. We often end up with a back six or seven, with midfielders dropping into the back four. This enabled Fleetwood to dominate this period of play. We must maintain banks of players to reduce this period of pressure. This I'm sure can be coached to keep possesion to see out these last few minutes more comfortably.
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,386
    Doesn’t seem to be much noise about Morgan not getting minutes. Who has been keeping him out of the side. GIlbey and Clare is it? I don’t see many games out here so our formations are a little unknown to me. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,034
    edited October 2021
    KiwiValley said:
    Doesn’t seem to be much noise about Morgan not getting minutes. Who has been keeping him out of the side. GIlbey and Clare is it? I don’t see many games out here so our formations are a little unknown to me. 
    Gilbey and Clare both have more dynamism and physicality in that position, Lee has proven much more effective in the attacking midfielder/second striker role where Morgan played (pretty ineffectively) before.

    I think there's potentially a good player in Morgan but Nigel's style of play and formation really don't seem to suit him.

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