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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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And all 3 if we are looking to bring in a free agent striker!cafcfan1990 said:
2 will have to miss out, surely Dempsey and JFC but wouldnt be surprised if one is Schwartz either.killerandflash said:I'd have preferred a PL loanee youngster for that position, if nothing else so that he didn't use up a squad place, as we've got too many players now0 -
ChurchClarky said:
And all 3 if we are looking to bring in a free agent striker!cafcfan1990 said:
2 will have to miss out, surely Dempsey and JFC but wouldnt be surprised if one is Schwartz either.killerandflash said:I'd have preferred a PL loanee youngster for that position, if nothing else so that he didn't use up a squad place, as we've got too many players now0 -
Well Spurs had Cirkin who was sold to Sunderland and then Omoloe who we were linked with. Longelo was the one I wanted but at least with Souare we are getting an experienced player who on paper has more than enough quality for this level.killerandflash said:
I'd be staggered if within Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal etc there wasn't an U21 we could have signed in July/August before the season started on loan. After all we didn't do badly with DaSilva or Maatsen.cafcfan1990 said:
In fairness I'm surprised we didn't go in for one on loan. If U21, they wouldn't have counted towards the squad cap plus we've only got 4 loanees so no issues with matchday squads. Wouldn't have been my first choice with injury record but clearly got some talent and has been training with us. Minor question marks over keeper and striker but this was the one position I think we should really have got during the window so very pleased to see the deal done.Covered End said:
Tell us who was better &available for no fee?SELR_addicks said:The idea that there was no one better available during the summer window I find very difficult to believe.5 -
There are 2 issues with getting a prem loan in.
1) The parent club will expect th to play whilst it looks like NA is keen on Purrington being first choice when fit
2) The club is clearly changing tact and doesn't want to fill the team with prem loans and have to rebuild every summer. Most of the loans we have look like they would be signable next year (though some only if we go up obviously). The clear plan going forward is loans will be used for cover or to fill out the last squad places, not as first choice players who then need replacing every year.
There's also the aim of developing and adding value to our own players rather than doing it for other clubs every season.11 -
I did mention I didn’t enjoy to watch him play, which is my prerogative, but thanks for the smartarse reply.very sorry if my view isn’t the same as yours.Covered End said:
Me neither, it used to really piss me off when he came on and scored most games.paulfox said:I still say Aneke is one of the most over rated players I’ve seen in a Charlton shirt, particularly from the fans perspective, for the record I was saying this whilst he was scoring goals off the bench etc., so not sour grapes, in fact I was chuffed he went!!😂.maybe an unpopular opinion but hey🤷🏻♂️. ( I genuinely didn’t get any joy in watching him play).2 -
Maybe we didn’t go for a young Prem player on loan as we didn’t want to be tied down to agreeing to a certain number of performances as we would perhaps have had to have done.7
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I certainly think the first one is a very valid point. However, Leko will compete for a spot and Famewo, Arter and Lee are players you'd expect to play regularly (appreciate we're looking at a perm deal for Famewo). Arter, like Souare is 31 so I'm not sure signing Souare over a prem loan deal really fits with that.randy andy said:There are 2 issues with getting a prem loan in.
1) The parent club will expect th to play whilst it looks like NA is keen on Purrington being first choice when fit
2) The club is clearly changing tact and doesn't want to fill the team with prem loans and have to rebuild every summer. Most of the loans we have look like they would be signable next year (though some only if we go up obviously). The clear plan going forward is loans will be used for cover or to fill out the last squad places, not as first choice players who then need replacing every year.
There's also the aim of developing and adding value to our own players rather than doing it for other clubs every season.
I think it's just probable that no suitable left back was available when we've got one for free. If we had the opportunity to sign Maatsen again, I think we'd have taken it. Can't argue with that and completely back the management team.1 -
I also suspect that Souare's wages are less than even a Premier U21 player is on and we'd be responsible for.
Also no loan fee.12 -
We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?9 -
I would tend to agree with this. Left back was a blindingly obvious hole but the way the season started and with Gilbey's health midfield became a much more fundamental hole. I think we prioritised using both the loan system and available funds to address the midfield over a left back. Perhaps if we had signed better than Dobson and Clare earlier in the summer that might have been avoidable but guess that will come out in the analysis of what was clearly a sub-par summer.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?5 -
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You could literally walk up to any Premier League side and ask for an 18-21 year old LB on loan that would be better than what we have.Covered End said:
Tell us who was better &available for no fee?SELR_addicks said:The idea that there was no one better available during the summer window I find very difficult to believe.
Maatsen, Dasilva for example.6 -
Exactly this. Maatsen was on 8k a week and you would expect most top U21 players at the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs etc to all be on way more than your average league one player.Addickted said:I also suspect that Souare's wages are less than even a Premier U21 player is on and we'd be responsible for.
Also no loan fee.1 -
Amazing, given Gallen's done that in the past, that he didn't think of it. Also note you named one Premier League side...SELR_addicks said:
You could literally walk up to any Premier League side and ask for an 18-21 year old LB on loan that would be better than what we have.Covered End said:
Tell us who was better &available for no fee?SELR_addicks said:The idea that there was no one better available during the summer window I find very difficult to believe.
Maatsen, Dasilva for example.
But Maatsen was auguably no more effective than Purrington last year, and certainly not as good as Da Silva. More exciting then Ben, sure!
Also we need to consider budget. They've obviously decided that left back, or reserve left back, isn't the area to dedicate the funds to get promoted.9 -
Interesting that Lee was chosen over a LB.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?
Im assuming if you know you would say, but any idea who we were in for mate?0 -
If it was a left back we could have guaranteed he would play most gamessirjohnhumphrey said:Maybe we didn’t go for a young Prem player on loan as we didn’t want to be tied down to agreeing to a certain number of performances as we would perhaps have had to have done.0 -
I suspect that this’ll turn out to be a good signing. Still think the recruitment team know what they’re doing.
But, only time……will tell.5 -
Available & better for no fee I said.SELR_addicks said:
You could literally walk up to any Premier League side and ask for an 18-21 year old LB on loan that would be better than what we have.Covered End said:
Tell us who was better &available for no fee?SELR_addicks said:The idea that there was no one better available during the summer window I find very difficult to believe.
Maatsen, Dasilva for example.
You've replied with 2 players who play in The Championship.
Maatsen is on loan at Coventry and DaSilva is a Bristol C player.
Plus most Premier loans will involve us having to pay a loan fee and quite likely a larger slice of the salary than Souare is on.0 -
You are correct, we can ask. But the answer might be a no as we are third tier and clubs want championship loans.SELR_addicks said:
You could literally walk up to any Premier League side and ask for an 18-21 year old LB on loan that would be better than what we have.Covered End said:
Tell us who was better &available for no fee?SELR_addicks said:The idea that there was no one better available during the summer window I find very difficult to believe.
Maatsen, Dasilva for example.
maatsen, for example.0 -
No, no name, but Lee was signed because Morgan didn't deliver and Gilbey's sickness. As I understand it and happened within about 24 hours of the post match debrief.orpingtonRED said:
Interesting that Lee was chosen over a LB.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?
Im assuming if you know you would say, but any idea who we were in for mate?
The Arter deal was first approached in early August apparently. Which goes against my thoughts that they didn't budget to replace JFC.3 -
What rubbish. Not only is Purrington a very decent league one left back, but as this selection of results from last week’s EFL trophy prove, just because someone is on the books of a premier league club, it doesn’t mean they’re better than a senior player on the books of a lower league club…SELR_addicks said:
You could literally walk up to any Premier League side and ask for an 18-21 year old LB on loan that would be better than what we have.Covered End said:
Tell us who was better &available for no fee?SELR_addicks said:The idea that there was no one better available during the summer window I find very difficult to believe.
Maatsen, Dasilva for example.
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Cheers, makes sense I guess however a bit unfair on Albie. It's not his position and never has been so was a gamble.Cafc43v3r said:
No, no name, but Lee was signed because Morgan didn't deliver and Gilbey's sickness. As I understand it and happened within about 24 hours of the post match debrief.orpingtonRED said:
Interesting that Lee was chosen over a LB.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?
Im assuming if you know you would say, but any idea who we were in for mate?
The Arter deal was first approached in early August apparently. Which goes against my thoughts that they didn't budget to replace JFC.0 -
I don’t think signing Lee is unfair on Morgan because we clearly lacked an AM. Arter is the weird one because we signed Clare and Dobson on top of Morgan and Watson (with Vennings and Dempsey too).orpingtonRED said:
Cheers, makes sense I guess however a bit unfair on Albie. It's not his position and never has been so was a gamble.Cafc43v3r said:
No, no name, but Lee was signed because Morgan didn't deliver and Gilbey's sickness. As I understand it and happened within about 24 hours of the post match debrief.orpingtonRED said:
Interesting that Lee was chosen over a LB.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?
Im assuming if you know you would say, but any idea who we were in for mate?
The Arter deal was first approached in early August apparently. Which goes against my thoughts that they didn't budget to replace JFC.0 -
Clare and Dobson were the squad replacements for Pratley and Shinnie.cafcfan1990 said:
I don’t think signing Lee is unfair on Morgan because we clearly lacked an AM. Arter is the weird one because we signed Clare and Dobson on top of Morgan and Watson (with Vennings and Dempsey too).orpingtonRED said:
Cheers, makes sense I guess however a bit unfair on Albie. It's not his position and never has been so was a gamble.Cafc43v3r said:
No, no name, but Lee was signed because Morgan didn't deliver and Gilbey's sickness. As I understand it and happened within about 24 hours of the post match debrief.orpingtonRED said:
Interesting that Lee was chosen over a LB.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?
Im assuming if you know you would say, but any idea who we were in for mate?
The Arter deal was first approached in early August apparently. Which goes against my thoughts that they didn't budget to replace JFC.4 -
No disrespect intended but I don’t believe this. Lee was the second loan signing and Arter the third so we could easily still have signed the LB as the 4th loan signing. Leko came about late so not convinced we cancelled the loan of a LB for Leko. I believe we’d have gone for the LB and then maybe targeted an attacking player on a free if necessary. If the LB was dependant on Arter I struggle to see why we were happy with 3 loan signings on deadline day afternoon and still short a left back.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?2 -
Exactly so you have Dobson fighting it out with Watson and Morgan and Clare for the other spot. Find it hard to believe we were going for 7 CMs with JFC and Dempsey on top. I guess Adkins could have seen Morgan and Gilbey as the AM’s but if so that’s a shocking call.Cafc43v3r said:
Clare and Dobson were the squad replacements for Pratley and Shinnie.cafcfan1990 said:
I don’t think signing Lee is unfair on Morgan because we clearly lacked an AM. Arter is the weird one because we signed Clare and Dobson on top of Morgan and Watson (with Vennings and Dempsey too).orpingtonRED said:
Cheers, makes sense I guess however a bit unfair on Albie. It's not his position and never has been so was a gamble.Cafc43v3r said:
No, no name, but Lee was signed because Morgan didn't deliver and Gilbey's sickness. As I understand it and happened within about 24 hours of the post match debrief.orpingtonRED said:
Interesting that Lee was chosen over a LB.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?
Im assuming if you know you would say, but any idea who we were in for mate?
The Arter deal was first approached in early August apparently. Which goes against my thoughts that they didn't budget to replace JFC.0 -
We really needed 3 wingers plus a gamble on CBT. It's not about when you get them completed, in that sense, it's when you start the process. Some happen quicker than others. Arter took weeks, as Gallen said himself. Lee took days, or less, as Lee said himself.cafcfan1990 said:
No disrespect intended but I don’t believe this. Lee was the second loan signing and Arter the third so we could easily still have signed the LB as the 4th loan signing. Leko came about late so not convinced we cancelled the loan of a LB for Leko. I believe we’d have gone for the LB and then maybe targeted an attacking player on a free if necessary. If the LB was dependant on Arter I struggle to see why we were happy with 3 loan signings on deadline day afternoon and still short a left back.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?3 -
To be honest I actually make you right but you said the LB was dependant on Arter and we had one ready to go. Given Arter was the third loan signing I’d be surprised if it was true because if we pulled out we ran the risk of only having 3 loan players.Cafc43v3r said:
We really needed 3 wingers plus a gamble on CBT. It's not about when you get them completed, in that sense, it's when you start the process. Some happen quicker than others. Arter took weeks, as Gallen said himself. Lee took days, or less, as Lee said himself.cafcfan1990 said:
No disrespect intended but I don’t believe this. Lee was the second loan signing and Arter the third so we could easily still have signed the LB as the 4th loan signing. Leko came about late so not convinced we cancelled the loan of a LB for Leko. I believe we’d have gone for the LB and then maybe targeted an attacking player on a free if necessary. If the LB was dependant on Arter I struggle to see why we were happy with 3 loan signings on deadline day afternoon and still short a left back.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?0 -
Gilbey was good to very good there last season, once we signed Kirk it gave us the option of playing Washington slightly behind Stockley as well.cafcfan1990 said:
Exactly so you have Dobson fighting it out with Watson and Morgan and Clare for the other spot. Find it hard to believe we were going for 7 CMs with JFC and Dempsey on top. I guess Adkins could have seen Morgan and Gilbey as the AM’s but if so that’s a shocking call.Cafc43v3r said:
Clare and Dobson were the squad replacements for Pratley and Shinnie.cafcfan1990 said:
I don’t think signing Lee is unfair on Morgan because we clearly lacked an AM. Arter is the weird one because we signed Clare and Dobson on top of Morgan and Watson (with Vennings and Dempsey too).orpingtonRED said:
Cheers, makes sense I guess however a bit unfair on Albie. It's not his position and never has been so was a gamble.Cafc43v3r said:
No, no name, but Lee was signed because Morgan didn't deliver and Gilbey's sickness. As I understand it and happened within about 24 hours of the post match debrief.orpingtonRED said:
Interesting that Lee was chosen over a LB.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?
Im assuming if you know you would say, but any idea who we were in for mate?
The Arter deal was first approached in early August apparently. Which goes against my thoughts that they didn't budget to replace JFC.
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I mean it was a bit unfair on Morgan to say he didn't deliver.cafcfan1990 said:
I don’t think signing Lee is unfair on Morgan because we clearly lacked an AM. Arter is the weird one because we signed Clare and Dobson on top of Morgan and Watson (with Vennings and Dempsey too).orpingtonRED said:
Cheers, makes sense I guess however a bit unfair on Albie. It's not his position and never has been so was a gamble.Cafc43v3r said:
No, no name, but Lee was signed because Morgan didn't deliver and Gilbey's sickness. As I understand it and happened within about 24 hours of the post match debrief.orpingtonRED said:
Interesting that Lee was chosen over a LB.Cafc43v3r said:We were always going to get a left back on loan, we didn't because we got Lee instead. The reason we only have 4 loans is so we can get an emergency loan keeper, if we need one.
I have been told we had a premier league left back loan lined up but it depended on Ater signing or not.
No idea what the free transfer market is like for center mids but I think we went the right way?
Im assuming if you know you would say, but any idea who we were in for mate?
The Arter deal was first approached in early August apparently. Which goes against my thoughts that they didn't budget to replace JFC.
It's obviously not his best position to play but the choice was made to try him and then the idea was ditched after a few games. That's the managers fault not Albie's in my opinion.
The signing of Lee was needed as the position needed addressing and I'm pleased it was.
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What we don't know was when Souare first came in the scene?
He may well have been seen as a serious option before the window closed so allowing us to focus on other positions.
We also don't know when Purrington will be fit.
As Gallen said, he had 150 phone conversations on deadline day so I imagine there were others players we know about, like Kerr, and others we know nothing about.
It's an ever changing set of plates that need to be spun.8
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