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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash
    Crusty54 said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Would have thought Arter would have been announced by now…
    It sort of has been
    https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2021/08/29/report-nottingham-forest-flop-harry-arter-set-for-city-ground-exit/
    £38k a week???

    What percentage of his wages are we paying?
  • mendonca
    mendonca
    Oh Eddie Youds... said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Has Evans actually got any say in it anyway? 
    Exactly. Unless Evans is going to personally pay off the EFL loan or compensate the club (for missing out on a fee this window) when Dempsey leaves on a free next summer, then its f&*k all to do with him.
    Exactly. Also don't believe a word of what he says. Known liar.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r
    killerandflash said:
    Crusty54 said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Would have thought Arter would have been announced by now…
    It sort of has been
    https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2021/08/29/report-nottingham-forest-flop-harry-arter-set-for-city-ground-exit/
    £38k a week???

    What percentage of his wages are we paying?
    0.00001% I hope.

    Probably only about 10% I would guess even 15% would make him our highest earner. 
  • Stewart
    Stewart
    edited August 2021
    Don’t like the sound of this

    Nigel Adkins must be aware of what he is getting himself in for. Arter has looked way past his best whenever he’s pulled on a Forest shirt and offloading him makes perfect sense. 

    He will go down as one of the biggest flops in Forest history and it’s a massive disappointment that he’s not been able to showcase his talents to the club.
  • cfgs
    cfgs
    Stewart said:
    Don’t like the sound of this

    Nigel Adkins must be aware of what he is getting himself in for. Arter has looked way past his best whenever he’s pulled on a Forest shirt and offloading him makes perfect sense. 

    He will go down as one of the biggest flops in Forest history and it’s a massive disappointment that he’s not been able to showcase his talents to the club.
    Sour grapes and jealousy or accurate assessment only time will tell.
  • Champs85
    Champs85
    I’m hoping that this is a more a case of Arter being unhappy up north, away from his Mrs and kids, than the fact he is now a poor player. He could easily have stayed at Forest earning his money playing the odd under 23s game, so the move to us will hopefully reignite him. Having met him a few times in the past (friend of a friend) he doesn’t strike me as the sort of person to steal a wage on the bench.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook
    Scoham said:
    RedRobin said:
    He also said last season we had the biggest budget in the league, pulled some random figure which I remember Bowyer laughing at in his response. Evans is just an idiot. 
    Their fans will believe it though and I guess that’s his aim.
    Will their fans read it? Do caravans have WiFi?
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  • Bailey
    Bailey
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Has Evans actually got any say in it anyway? 
    If he is out of contract next summer, you can sense Gillingham's panic, won't sell him this window and they will probably bite yer hand off for £100000 come January. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham
    I see Forest fans also don’t rate Jenkinson. He’s had a disappointing career really, only one full season of first team football with 30+ starts and that was a loan at West Ham.

    Played for the club he supported though as well as being capped by England.

    He’s another who could be an option for us in the next year or so but like Arter I wonder if we’re better spending more on a longer term option, someone who can grow with the club.

    I get why we’re after experience as Watson isn’t good enough to be starting every week and we seem to have accepted Dobson isn’t either.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe
    Bedsaddick said:
    Stewart said:
    Don’t like the sound of this

    Nigel Adkins must be aware of what he is getting himself in for. Arter has looked way past his best whenever he’s pulled on a Forest shirt and offloading him makes perfect sense. 

    He will go down as one of the biggest flops in Forest history and it’s a massive disappointment that he’s not been able to showcase his talents to the club.
    To be fair , Forest is toxic at the moment and all the players are struggling. Arter hasn’t all of a sudden become a bad player . Forest was not a good fit , hopefully Charlton will be . 
    My nephew has just finished a sports science degree, at Nottingham university, he did an internship at NF and said it was an awful place to be.
  • Redvalleyeast
    Redvalleyeast
    CH4RLTON said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    covered_end_junior said:
    Evans claims our bid for Dempsey was only 100k

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/sport/come-on-charlton-behave-yourselves-gillingham-boss-on-bi-253100/
    If we really want the player, maybe we need a different approach. Instead of offering £100,000, we should offer 22,200 Big Mac meals instead.
    Todds_right_hook said:
    covered_end_junior said:
    Evans claims our bid for Dempsey was only 100k

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/sport/come-on-charlton-behave-yourselves-gillingham-boss-on-bi-253100/
    If we really want the player, maybe we need a different approach. Instead of offering £100,000, we should offer 22,200 Big Mac meals instead.
    I can’t wait until Evans comes to the Valley this year , he’s going to get some serious grief.
    He's a total fat knob jockey,he gets grief everywhere he goes,he cant hear any of it though,too busy munching pies
  • charente addick
    charente addick
    Champs85 said:
    I’m hoping that this is a more a case of Arter being unhappy up north, away from his Mrs and kids, than the fact he is now a poor player. He could easily have stayed at Forest earning his money playing the odd under 23s game, so the move to us will hopefully reignite him. Having met him a few times in the past (friend of a friend) he doesn’t strike me as the sort of person to steal a wage on the bench.
    We’re all different and, as anyone who saw me play will testify, I was no professional footballer but I lived in Nottingham for 10 years with work - absolutely hated the place and always felt, in retrospect, it was a mistake to stick it out like I did. Culturally I found it very different from London, lots of false bravado etc. - did ok at the job but I don’t think I performed anywhere near as well as if I was settled, always had the feeling of ‘this isn’t where I want to be’. You’d hope £38k a week would have helped him knuckle down but maybe Arter simply just doesn’t like it up there.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru
    edited August 2021
    Evans sounds like someone that has no concept of needing money to survive. Gills are skint at present and desperate for some cash flow. If he’s correct that our bid was £100k then perhaps that was low and cheeky but maintaining that Dempsey isn’t going anywhere is cloud cuckoo land stuff. If they can’t shift Tucker and Dempsey they will be financially struggling and probably have two quite unhappy players to boot and get stitched up when they do leave anyway. Looks like we haven't followed up any bid in any case. Fuck em. 
  • RichmondSE10Exile
    RichmondSE10Exile
    Were we to sign Dempsey I wouldn’t care if we’d been insulting to his current club, unsettled the player through mind games. It all seems to be the way transfers are managed and achieved these days and our club is just as likely to be on the receiving end from others.

    Dempsey appears to me to be just the right kind of player to be looking for - a long term bet in terms of his age and one definitely on an upwards trajectory in his skill set and experience.

    Given where he currently plies his trade we shouldn’t have to worry about any upheavals in his domestic life - he probably wouldn’t even need to move home.

    I haven’t checked on his height for the CL test. 

    Hopeful SG is able to weave some magic before the window closes and I am genuinely looking forward to thousands more comments on here about every rumour. It doesn’t look as if we’ve assembled a squad to blow the league apart but it’s not all doom and gloom. It’s early on in the season and I think some of those earlier results were down to pants tactics which I’m sure NA is more than capable of learning from.
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r
    RichmondSE10Exile said:
    Were we to sign Dempsey I wouldn’t care if we’d been insulting to his current club, unsettled the player through mind games. It all seems to be the way transfers are managed and achieved these days and our club is just as likely to be on the receiving end from others.

    Dempsey appears to me to be just the right kind of player to be looking for - a long term bet in terms of his age and one definitely on an upwards trajectory in his skill set and experience.

    Given where he currently plies his trade we shouldn’t have to worry about any upheavals in his domestic life - he probably wouldn’t even need to move home.

    I haven’t checked on his height for the CL test. 

    Hopeful SG is able to weave some magic before the window closes and I am genuinely looking forward to thousands more comments on here about every rumour. It doesn’t look as if we’ve assembled a squad to blow the league apart but it’s not all doom and gloom. It’s early on in the season and I think some of those earlier results were down to pants tactics which I’m sure NA is more than capable of learning from.
    If you replace pants tactics with a pants midfield I think your right.

    Clare, Dobson and Morgan (as a ten) aren’t good enough, as a 3.   I think that's caused a bit of panic, or change in tactics in the market, that has resulted in getting Lee and Arter.  I don't think we would have gone for Lee if Morgan had performed, as he did in preseason, nor Arter if Dobson had impressed, like he did for AFCW.

    Suddenly with two experienced midfeilders coming in and Morgan impressing deeper we have better options, and depth. It now wouldn't surprise me if Dobson went out on loan.  He looks a long way from the first team at this point.  But things change very quickly. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham
    Cafc43v3r said:
    RichmondSE10Exile said:
    Were we to sign Dempsey I wouldn’t care if we’d been insulting to his current club, unsettled the player through mind games. It all seems to be the way transfers are managed and achieved these days and our club is just as likely to be on the receiving end from others.

    Dempsey appears to me to be just the right kind of player to be looking for - a long term bet in terms of his age and one definitely on an upwards trajectory in his skill set and experience.

    Given where he currently plies his trade we shouldn’t have to worry about any upheavals in his domestic life - he probably wouldn’t even need to move home.

    I haven’t checked on his height for the CL test. 

    Hopeful SG is able to weave some magic before the window closes and I am genuinely looking forward to thousands more comments on here about every rumour. It doesn’t look as if we’ve assembled a squad to blow the league apart but it’s not all doom and gloom. It’s early on in the season and I think some of those earlier results were down to pants tactics which I’m sure NA is more than capable of learning from.
    If you replace pants tactics with a pants midfield I think your right.

    Clare, Dobson and Morgan (as a ten) aren’t good enough, as a 3.   I think that's caused a bit of panic, or change in tactics in the market, that has resulted in getting Lee and Arter.  I don't think we would have gone for Lee if Morgan had performed, as he did in preseason, nor Arter if Dobson had impressed, like he did for AFCW.

    Suddenly with two experienced midfeilders coming in and Morgan impressing deeper we have better options, and depth. It now wouldn't surprise me if Dobson went out on loan.  He looks a long way from the first team at this point.  But things change very quickly. 
    Agree other than I don’t see Dobson or anyone other than maybe Schwartz leaving on loan or permanently - we know how quickly injuries can build up and what that can do to your season.

    Funny how we always want more signings and depth to cover injuries/suspensions, but we always seem to get to a point where that goes the other way and we start speculating about players leaving as we have too many!
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r
    Scoham said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    RichmondSE10Exile said:
    Were we to sign Dempsey I wouldn’t care if we’d been insulting to his current club, unsettled the player through mind games. It all seems to be the way transfers are managed and achieved these days and our club is just as likely to be on the receiving end from others.

    Dempsey appears to me to be just the right kind of player to be looking for - a long term bet in terms of his age and one definitely on an upwards trajectory in his skill set and experience.

    Given where he currently plies his trade we shouldn’t have to worry about any upheavals in his domestic life - he probably wouldn’t even need to move home.

    I haven’t checked on his height for the CL test. 

    Hopeful SG is able to weave some magic before the window closes and I am genuinely looking forward to thousands more comments on here about every rumour. It doesn’t look as if we’ve assembled a squad to blow the league apart but it’s not all doom and gloom. It’s early on in the season and I think some of those earlier results were down to pants tactics which I’m sure NA is more than capable of learning from.
    If you replace pants tactics with a pants midfield I think your right.

    Clare, Dobson and Morgan (as a ten) aren’t good enough, as a 3.   I think that's caused a bit of panic, or change in tactics in the market, that has resulted in getting Lee and Arter.  I don't think we would have gone for Lee if Morgan had performed, as he did in preseason, nor Arter if Dobson had impressed, like he did for AFCW.

    Suddenly with two experienced midfeilders coming in and Morgan impressing deeper we have better options, and depth. It now wouldn't surprise me if Dobson went out on loan.  He looks a long way from the first team at this point.  But things change very quickly. 
    Agree other than I don’t see Dobson or anyone other than maybe Schwartz leaving on loan or permanently - we know how quickly injuries can build up and what that can do to your season.

    Funny how we always want more signings and depth to cover injuries/suspensions, but we always seem to get to a point where that goes the other way and we start speculating about players leaving as we have too many!
    The thing with Dobson would be that he would be 23 and no where near the first team, assuming Arter signs, we have only got 3 midweek league games before Christmas.

    If he was ahead of Watson in the pecking order I wouldn't be suggesting we sent Watson out on loan.  I think there is a player in Dobson but he won't improve by not playing.  And unlike some of the older u23s there would be little value in a loan to a national league team.

    It's a tough one.  I would expect our Dempsey to go somewhere on loan, he is even further away from even the squad. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes
    Some Forest fans were saying Arter told the manager a few home truths and was frozen out as a result. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie
    It's got to be said that going from being signed as the fulcrum of an ambitious, promotion seeking team to being usurped by a 36 year old Ben Watson within five games would be a pretty spectacular fall from grace for Dobson.

    That said, I think with confidence and the right combination beside him he could at the very least do a job for us. I think he'd look considerably better in a midfield with Arter, Lee and a Morgan in the right position. (Though probably Clare would too.)
  • AndyG
    AndyG
    Has Dobson actually fallen from grace? I know he was left out at the weekend but with the number of midfielders we have someone was always going to be left out. I dont think he has done much wrong in the games he has played and it would be harsh imo if he has fallen down the pecking order.
    As a side note Watson definitely put in his best performance at the weekend maybe that was down to him feeling dobson breathing down his neck for the spot.
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