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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600


    Could do a job 🤣
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,356
    edited May 2021
    Henry and Barker would surely be part of the "wider" squad next season. Morgan was only 21 in February so I assume he will count as an U21

    Davison and AMB were 21 before January 1st, so would be part of the 20
    I would hope so, but Barker is still playing U18 football, Davison has not pulled up trees out on loan and AMB is already our back-up keeper.

    Didn't mean that we don't have any any U21s. 
  • Oh_Yoni_Boy
    Oh_Yoni_Boy Posts: 1,762
    edited May 2021
    esseffect said:
    esseffect said:
    Crusty54 said:
    I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig.
    Announced everywhere talks start today. Fake news from you as always.
    As always? 

    Have you actually read what I said? I said that the meeting  was with bowyer! I was told this by a club employee. Do you know what happened in February better than a club employee?

    I really do get wound up by idiots like you. Starting on people for sharing information they’ve heard! Have you heard different? Do you have any proof that this isn’t the case? Or are you just piping up behind a key board?

    it’s a football forum and people are entitled to post what they hear! I wasn’t the only person to post that, someone else did. It’s also called the rumours thread, not an actual fact thread. Half the rumours that will be posted on here up until the end of august will not happen. Are you going to call out every poster that posts?

    I suggest that maybe you stay off this thread if you cry whenever there is a post you don’t like.

    in summary, read posts properly before you act like a dick and provide stupid comments 
    If anyone’s being a dick about someone’s post, it’s you.
    Who asked you?

    I have one connection within the club who shared something with me. I’ve shared it on here because it’s a rumour!

    I now feel shitty that someone has called me out, without justification, without knowing me, without knowing where the information come from. Why do that? Why would I now bother sharing anything? The as always comment......I’ve only ever shared one other piece of information. And there is a reason for that. 

    this is a fans forum, a bit of fun. Why should people come on here to be made to feel shitty. I can easily name 5 posters who were contributors to this forum that got grief for sharing and no longer post! Is that fair and acceptable?
    No one asked me, it’s a public forum. 

    Everyone is allowed their opinion, including your rumour and the others posters opinion on your rumour. 


    Correct, and I apologies for snapping at you.

    I just get wound up with the constant questioning without substance.

    im sure the poster who named the two hull players will get it rammed in his face if they don’t sign. I am grateful for rumours and snippets of news, regardless if they happen or not
    You know what, the best part of a decade ago I signed up and posted a rumour on here (as I used to just lurk/read) that a company with 'Charlton Athletic' in the name had been rejected for a loan application by a well known finance company. This ended up being very shortly before The Spivs imploded and sold to Ratface... but at the time I got pelters as things were going well on the pitch and actually scared into deleting my account because I might have got my mate who worked for said finance company and myself in trouble (albeit maybe fairly as it's probably pretty confidential stuff).

    I think in the end I pretended that I'd made it up for attention, deleted the posts and account and was thus reincarnated as 'Oh_Yoni_Boy'.

    The moral is that it was true and actually probably fairly interesting news at the time... so via trial by Charlton Life we didn't get the story - so be nice and we'll get more stuff!
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,911
    Like everywhere else rumours on here are exactly that, just rumours. When I read one I look at what I'm reading and then decide the probability of it likely to happen, I may be right I may be wrong when the facts are out but when it is just a rumour that I find is the best way to deal with it. Even when I read something that doesnt sound likely I still very much like to read it and decide what I think the likelyhood. If I dont think there is much chance I would never pull the poster up, what would be the point in that ? in my book any rumour is a good rumour until proven otherwise  :)
  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON Posts: 2,618
    AndyG said:
    Like everywhere else rumours on here are exactly that, just rumours. When I read one I look at what I'm reading and then decide the probability of it likely to happen, I may be right I may be wrong when the facts are out but when it is just a rumour that I find is the best way to deal with it. Even when I read something that doesnt sound likely I still very much like to read it and decide what I think the likelyhood. If I dont think there is much chance I would never pull the poster up, what would be the point in that ? in my book any rumour is a good rumour until proven otherwise  :)
    Agree a rumour is a rumour not a stone cold fact, I'd say 75% of rumors stem completely from someones own imagination however they are still a rumpour.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,879
    Famewo is an interesting one. The potential to be a really good CB, but at this stage making errors of judgement which will only be eradicated though playing games and good coaching. He won't feature for Norwich next season, so it boils down to whether they want him to go to the Championship next
    A season with us in L1 and he'll be ready to play for Norwich in 2022/23 in the Championship after they get relegated again!
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,356
    edited May 2021
    Jack Whatmough out of contract at Pompey. Top CB. Very comfortable on the ball.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Gillingham will lose a few players this summer, I'm sure Gallen and co have been keeping an eye on their best players
    Ok if they're out of contract but Scally would not want to sell to us. 
    If the money is right I am sure he would. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Chunes said:
    Jack Whatmough out of contract at Pompey. Top CB. Very comfortable on the ball.
    Left Southampton at about the same time Adkins went there.  Wonder if he knows Roddy from Reading 🤣🤣🤣

    Great age, good experience. He has done a bit of Mark Noble and been Pompey's longest serving player since he was 21.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,643
    Chunes said:
    The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
    Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even  having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo. 

    For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green. 



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  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,234
    Dazzler21 said:
    Gillingham will lose a few players this summer, I'm sure Gallen and co have been keeping an eye on their best players
    Ok if they're out of contract but Scally would not want to sell to us. 
    If the money is right I am sure he would. 
    If they're out of contract then surely they are free and can sign for whoever they like.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,356
    edited May 2021
    Chunes said:
    The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
    Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even  having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo. 

    For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green. 
    Those stipulations are just made up by fans when a loanee isn't playing well. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Chunes said:
    The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
    Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even  having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo. 

    For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green. 


    How many games did the Matt Smith twins play? 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,885
    Chunes said:
    The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
    Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even  having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo. 

    For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green. 


    I forgot about him. I watched him okay on Saturday and still manage to forget about him
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Chunes said:
    The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
    Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even  having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo. 

    For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green. 


    How many games did the Matt Smith twins play? 
    I think the Smith from Arsenal will be a good player. Certainly a great passer of the ball.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,360
    Chunes said:
    Jack Whatmough out of contract at Pompey. Top CB. Very comfortable on the ball.
    Would fit into this club very well, bloke has been plagued with injuries 
  • SheedyCAFC
    SheedyCAFC Posts: 1,245
    Mo Eisa transfer listed by Peterborough.
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,553
    Chunes said:
    Jack Whatmough out of contract at Pompey. Top CB. Very comfortable on the ball.
    They seem to think he’s not good enough and has a Naby Sarr clanger in his locker 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,879
    Mo Eisa transfer listed by Peterborough.
    Weird how his form dropped this season.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,801
    Richard J said:
    Connor Ogilvie at Gillingham would be a good left sided centre back / left back.

    He is out of contract. 
    Would be a good addition and good enough to start for us imo, that would be our left sided defense sorted with Purrington as back up. The exact type of signings I want to see, cherry pick the best players from the teams around us 



    Interesting stat on headers won
    Matthews won a few headers he put back inside, rather than upfield or out for a thrown, and caused us problems so the bare stats don't tell the whole story.

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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Mo Eisa transfer listed by Peterborough.
    Weird how his form dropped this season.
    Maybe Tommy D was right :wink:
  • bigstemarra
    bigstemarra Posts: 5,098
    I am grateful for any rumours and recognise that they are just that, rumours.  I would take a wild stab in the dark and guess that most posters on this site are of a similar mind, given that the clue is in the thread title.

    Giving anyone pelters for passing on information will only increase the likelihood of there being no rumours on the rumours thread, so please desist and get over yourselves.  You can always start a thread titled 'nailed on facts' to fight over instead, if you like....

    Thank you. :smile:
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,315
    I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    J BLOCK said:
    I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
    I don't want a name but what exactly are you expecting? 

    You don't want any of our players, or the team that finished 8th, or 10th. I would think the best out of contract players for the teams that just missed out on the play offs would be a good starting point? 
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,406
    J BLOCK said:
    I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
    Same. You don't bring in NA and then go fishing around for bargains/free transfers in the same league. Such a cost cutting approach would have seen Jackson/Euell promoted as Manager.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,472
    mendonca said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
    Same. You don't bring in NA and then go fishing around for bargains/free transfers in the same league. Such a cost cutting approach would have seen Jackson/Euell promoted as Manager.
    Yes, but some people were thinking that NA is 'small fry' & we should have appointed Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe for example.
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,315
    edited May 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
    I don't want a name but what exactly are you expecting? 

    You don't want any of our players, or the team that finished 8th, or 10th. I would think the best out of contract players for the teams that just missed out on the play offs would be a good starting point? 
    Players that aren’t being kept on by teams around us or below us. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    mendonca said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
    Same. You don't bring in NA and then go fishing around for bargains/free transfers in the same league. Such a cost cutting approach would have seen Jackson/Euell promoted as Manager.
    But out of contract doesn't equate to not being wanted, or even cheap in terms of wages, especially in the lower leagues where a lot of players get into their last year.

    Lyle Taylor, Johnnie Jackson, Danny Holland, Tom Lockyer and more would all fit that profile.  

    Taking the best of their players is perfectly sensible isn't it, especially if it didn't cost you a transfer fee.  Its very different to taking their unwanted cast offs. 


  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    edited May 2021
    Scoham said:
    Scoham said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    How I think we'll go into the new season:

    GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
    RB: Matthews | Gunter
    CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
    LB: Purrington | Left-Back
    W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
    Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
    Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward

    Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.


    10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!
    Not really if 5 are loans. 
    I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.

    We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.

    It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.

    Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
    I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face.  It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue. 

    You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm.  You can also  "try before you buy".  I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year.  We may see one or two of these going out this season?

    The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway. 

    All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans.  Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season. 
    I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.

    After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
    I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?

    Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer. 
    Good post

    i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.
    Thanks mate :)

    But yes absolutely. The problem with signing 14 new players is that signing 12 on a permanent basis is unrealistic, you either don't have the resources or end up short on quality. We have to make sure we have a decent starting point and then use the budget to buy a few quality players every year and then fill the remaining spots with the loans. It's sort of what Bowyer did in the Championship as we saw most of the loans arrive late - Cullen, Field, Leko and Kayal all came in after the first game. Who can say those first three didn't have an impact, in fact look at the loans throughout Bowyer's reign, most of them improved us and cared a lot more than some of the permanent players during that time!
    We’re only guessing how far the budget will stretch at this stage.

    On the earlier point about loans we’d all take a Gallagher over a Shinnie, but Gallagher was unproven at the time, realistically we won’t sign 5 outstanding players on loan. Bringing in that many young Prem players would be a gamble and we could end up with a squad that’s too young and inexperienced.

    I said before I’m expecting a few loans but getting 5 every year isn’t the way to rebuild the club. We went with the short term rebuild this summer due to circumstances and it hasn’t worked out. I’m sure we’ll find a better balance this summer, including some loan signings.
    Any player is a gamble, we signed Kayal and Hemed who didn't work out. Who said the loans have to be young inexperienced prem players? Stockley and Shinnie don't fit that criteria and the former has been particularly successful. I don't disagree that getting 5 every year isn't the way forward, but I also think ruling out signing 5 is silly. If Gallen etc identified 5 loan signings that are going to make us better we'd be stupid not to do it. 
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