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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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I would hope so, but Barker is still playing U18 football, Davison has not pulled up trees out on loan and AMB is already our back-up keeper.killerandflash said:Henry and Barker would surely be part of the "wider" squad next season. Morgan was only 21 in February so I assume he will count as an U21
Davison and AMB were 21 before January 1st, so would be part of the 20
Didn't mean that we don't have any any U21s.0 -
You know what, the best part of a decade ago I signed up and posted a rumour on here (as I used to just lurk/read) that a company with 'Charlton Athletic' in the name had been rejected for a loan application by a well known finance company. This ended up being very shortly before The Spivs imploded and sold to Ratface... but at the time I got pelters as things were going well on the pitch and actually scared into deleting my account because I might have got my mate who worked for said finance company and myself in trouble (albeit maybe fairly as it's probably pretty confidential stuff).Todds_right_hook said:
Correct, and I apologies for snapping at you.esseffect said:
No one asked me, it’s a public forum.Todds_right_hook said:
Who asked you?esseffect said:
If anyone’s being a dick about someone’s post, it’s you.Todds_right_hook said:
As always?Crusty54 said:
Announced everywhere talks start today. Fake news from you as always.Todds_right_hook said:I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig.Have you actually read what I said? I said that the meeting was with bowyer! I was told this by a club employee. Do you know what happened in February better than a club employee?
I really do get wound up by idiots like you. Starting on people for sharing information they’ve heard! Have you heard different? Do you have any proof that this isn’t the case? Or are you just piping up behind a key board?
it’s a football forum and people are entitled to post what they hear! I wasn’t the only person to post that, someone else did. It’s also called the rumours thread, not an actual fact thread. Half the rumours that will be posted on here up until the end of august will not happen. Are you going to call out every poster that posts?
I suggest that maybe you stay off this thread if you cry whenever there is a post you don’t like.
in summary, read posts properly before you act like a dick and provide stupid comments
I have one connection within the club who shared something with me. I’ve shared it on here because it’s a rumour!
I now feel shitty that someone has called me out, without justification, without knowing me, without knowing where the information come from. Why do that? Why would I now bother sharing anything? The as always comment......I’ve only ever shared one other piece of information. And there is a reason for that.
this is a fans forum, a bit of fun. Why should people come on here to be made to feel shitty. I can easily name 5 posters who were contributors to this forum that got grief for sharing and no longer post! Is that fair and acceptable?Everyone is allowed their opinion, including your rumour and the others posters opinion on your rumour.
I just get wound up with the constant questioning without substance.
im sure the poster who named the two hull players will get it rammed in his face if they don’t sign. I am grateful for rumours and snippets of news, regardless if they happen or not
I think in the end I pretended that I'd made it up for attention, deleted the posts and account and was thus reincarnated as 'Oh_Yoni_Boy'.
The moral is that it was true and actually probably fairly interesting news at the time... so via trial by Charlton Life we didn't get the story - so be nice and we'll get more stuff!14 -
Like everywhere else rumours on here are exactly that, just rumours. When I read one I look at what I'm reading and then decide the probability of it likely to happen, I may be right I may be wrong when the facts are out but when it is just a rumour that I find is the best way to deal with it. Even when I read something that doesnt sound likely I still very much like to read it and decide what I think the likelyhood. If I dont think there is much chance I would never pull the poster up, what would be the point in that ? in my book any rumour is a good rumour until proven otherwise
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Agree a rumour is a rumour not a stone cold fact, I'd say 75% of rumors stem completely from someones own imagination however they are still a rumpour.AndyG said:Like everywhere else rumours on here are exactly that, just rumours. When I read one I look at what I'm reading and then decide the probability of it likely to happen, I may be right I may be wrong when the facts are out but when it is just a rumour that I find is the best way to deal with it. Even when I read something that doesnt sound likely I still very much like to read it and decide what I think the likelyhood. If I dont think there is much chance I would never pull the poster up, what would be the point in that ? in my book any rumour is a good rumour until proven otherwise1 -
A season with us in L1 and he'll be ready to play for Norwich in 2022/23 in the Championship after they get relegated again!killerandflash said:Famewo is an interesting one. The potential to be a really good CB, but at this stage making errors of judgement which will only be eradicated though playing games and good coaching. He won't feature for Norwich next season, so it boils down to whether they want him to go to the Championship next0 -
Jack Whatmough out of contract at Pompey. Top CB. Very comfortable on the ball.4
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If the money is right I am sure he would.Starinnaddick said:
Ok if they're out of contract but Scally would not want to sell to us.killerandflash said:Gillingham will lose a few players this summer, I'm sure Gallen and co have been keeping an eye on their best players1 -
Left Southampton at about the same time Adkins went there. Wonder if he knows Roddy from Reading 🤣🤣🤣Chunes said:Jack Whatmough out of contract at Pompey. Top CB. Very comfortable on the ball.
Great age, good experience. He has done a bit of Mark Noble and been Pompey's longest serving player since he was 21.0 -
Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo.Chunes said:The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green.
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If they're out of contract then surely they are free and can sign for whoever they like.Dazzler21 said:
If the money is right I am sure he would.Starinnaddick said:
Ok if they're out of contract but Scally would not want to sell to us.killerandflash said:Gillingham will lose a few players this summer, I'm sure Gallen and co have been keeping an eye on their best players0 -
Those stipulations are just made up by fans when a loanee isn't playing well.golfaddick said:
Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo.Chunes said:The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green.1 -
How many games did the Matt Smith twins play?golfaddick said:
Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo.Chunes said:The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green.2 -
I forgot about him. I watched him okay on Saturday and still manage to forget about himgolfaddick said:
Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo.Chunes said:The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green.0 -
I think the Smith from Arsenal will be a good player. Certainly a great passer of the ball.Cafc43v3r said:
How many games did the Matt Smith twins play?golfaddick said:
Only if the Prem loans don't have stipulations like they have to play......even having to name them in the matchday 18 is a pisstake imo.Chunes said:The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.
For every Gallagher there is a Andre Green.0 -
Would fit into this club very well, bloke has been plagued with injuriesChunes said:Jack Whatmough out of contract at Pompey. Top CB. Very comfortable on the ball.5 -
Mo Eisa transfer listed by Peterborough.6
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They seem to think he’s not good enough and has a Naby Sarr clanger in his lockerChunes said:Jack Whatmough out of contract at Pompey. Top CB. Very comfortable on the ball.0 -
Weird how his form dropped this season.SheedyCAFC said:Mo Eisa transfer listed by Peterborough.0 -
Matthews won a few headers he put back inside, rather than upfield or out for a thrown, and caused us problems so the bare stats don't tell the whole story.Braziliance said:
Would be a good addition and good enough to start for us imo, that would be our left sided defense sorted with Purrington as back up. The exact type of signings I want to see, cherry pick the best players from the teams around usRichard J said:Connor Ogilvie at Gillingham would be a good left sided centre back / left back.
He is out of contract.
Interesting stat on headers won0 -
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Maybe Tommy D was rightkillerandflash said:
Weird how his form dropped this season.SheedyCAFC said:Mo Eisa transfer listed by Peterborough.
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I am grateful for any rumours and recognise that they are just that, rumours. I would take a wild stab in the dark and guess that most posters on this site are of a similar mind, given that the clue is in the thread title.
Giving anyone pelters for passing on information will only increase the likelihood of there being no rumours on the rumours thread, so please desist and get over yourselves. You can always start a thread titled 'nailed on facts' to fight over instead, if you like....
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I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
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I don't want a name but what exactly are you expecting?J BLOCK said:I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
You don't want any of our players, or the team that finished 8th, or 10th. I would think the best out of contract players for the teams that just missed out on the play offs would be a good starting point?4 -
Same. You don't bring in NA and then go fishing around for bargains/free transfers in the same league. Such a cost cutting approach would have seen Jackson/Euell promoted as Manager.J BLOCK said:I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.1 -
Yes, but some people were thinking that NA is 'small fry' & we should have appointed Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe for example.mendonca said:
Same. You don't bring in NA and then go fishing around for bargains/free transfers in the same league. Such a cost cutting approach would have seen Jackson/Euell promoted as Manager.J BLOCK said:I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.2 -
Players that aren’t being kept on by teams around us or below us.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't want a name but what exactly are you expecting?J BLOCK said:I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
You don't want any of our players, or the team that finished 8th, or 10th. I would think the best out of contract players for the teams that just missed out on the play offs would be a good starting point?0 -
Why, if they're good enough? Matt Taylor was out of contract at Exeter, Lyle was out of contract at Wimbledon, Hollands was out of contract at Bournemouth. At the lower levels good players will run their contracts down for a better move and we can take advantage of that. Gillingham only finished 7 points behind us and we couldn't beat them this season, it's not like they had a team entirely made up of no-hopersJ BLOCK said:I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
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But out of contract doesn't equate to not being wanted, or even cheap in terms of wages, especially in the lower leagues where a lot of players get into their last year.mendonca said:
Same. You don't bring in NA and then go fishing around for bargains/free transfers in the same league. Such a cost cutting approach would have seen Jackson/Euell promoted as Manager.J BLOCK said:I’d like to think we were aiming higher than Gillingham and Portsmouth players who are out of contract.
Lyle Taylor, Johnnie Jackson, Danny Holland, Tom Lockyer and more would all fit that profile.
Taking the best of their players is perfectly sensible isn't it, especially if it didn't cost you a transfer fee. Its very different to taking their unwanted cast offs.
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Any player is a gamble, we signed Kayal and Hemed who didn't work out. Who said the loans have to be young inexperienced prem players? Stockley and Shinnie don't fit that criteria and the former has been particularly successful. I don't disagree that getting 5 every year isn't the way forward, but I also think ruling out signing 5 is silly. If Gallen etc identified 5 loan signings that are going to make us better we'd be stupid not to do it.Scoham said:
We’re only guessing how far the budget will stretch at this stage.cafcfan1990 said:
Thanks mateTodds_right_hook said:
Good postcafcfan1990 said:
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.
i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.
But yes absolutely. The problem with signing 14 new players is that signing 12 on a permanent basis is unrealistic, you either don't have the resources or end up short on quality. We have to make sure we have a decent starting point and then use the budget to buy a few quality players every year and then fill the remaining spots with the loans. It's sort of what Bowyer did in the Championship as we saw most of the loans arrive late - Cullen, Field, Leko and Kayal all came in after the first game. Who can say those first three didn't have an impact, in fact look at the loans throughout Bowyer's reign, most of them improved us and cared a lot more than some of the permanent players during that time!
On the earlier point about loans we’d all take a Gallagher over a Shinnie, but Gallagher was unproven at the time, realistically we won’t sign 5 outstanding players on loan. Bringing in that many young Prem players would be a gamble and we could end up with a squad that’s too young and inexperienced.
I said before I’m expecting a few loans but getting 5 every year isn’t the way to rebuild the club. We went with the short term rebuild this summer due to circumstances and it hasn’t worked out. I’m sure we’ll find a better balance this summer, including some loan signings.1
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