European Super League - clubs withdrawing p42 onwards.

WSS said:

KBslittlesis said:

Am I right in thinking we haven’t put out anything about this yet?

Not even the EFL’s statement?

Thats interesting isn’t it? 🤔

How many EFL clubs have?

That being said, with an American owner who probably “gets” what the others are doing and maybe even agrees with the format, he’s aware enough of sentiment to say nothing for now.

A lot more than I expected tbh.

Your answer is the exact reason I was worried about the silence.

I'm just watching the BBC news, all fans shown were against the idea apart from a Chinese Milan fan in China who was looking forward to it.

https://twitter.com/fanboy82/status/1384085008017629189

charlton_hero said:

guinnessaddick said:

https://twitter.com/jamieholme/status/1383860588720246788?s=21

NSFW

He's easily the worst one on that show, otherwise it's quite an enjoyable listen.

Never seen it, but from a short clip he seems like a James O'Brien type character - everyone that doesn't agree with him is simply thick (oh, and it was Thatcher's fault)...

I'll give you no price that the other 14 Premier League bosses will be keeping their powder dry and leaning on the English FA to do the same.
None of them gives a fuck about "the pyramid", grass roots, the lower leagues, the league cup, the international game nor even the FA cup.  All the money is in the worldwide TV deals for the EPL.  They'll happily accommodate the 6 craven grasping shithouses if the cash keeps hosing in to their own tax haven zero compliance Cayman Island business bank accounts.
The FA has form here don't forget.  It got into bed with unseemly haste when the premier league took it up the shitter from Murdoch for twenty pieces of silver and has been laughing up its (wizard's) sleeve for a generation.  Not one fuck given for the 72 or anything lower down.
As far as 'English Team' involvement goes, the paymasters of the existing EPL TV deals hold the balance of power here.  All the blowhards and witless administrators at EFL etc are whistling in the wind while wanking if they think anything they say or do will make the square root of fuck all difference.
The shameless grasping crooks at the heads of  UEFA and FIFA will be bought off soon enough.  Their current outpourings are thinly scripted guff, which when translated amount to little more than white noise while they take their places in the queue to find out how much they'll all get served off this gravy train with their arses in the air being cheerfully rogered.
Quite simply if the €€numbers work and the EPL TV deals persist then this horse has bolted, cos there was never a door on the fucking stable to lock.

24 Red said:

bobmunro said:

24 Red said:

Sorry if this is covered elsewhere in the thread, but can someone clarify why this proposal is so terrible?

I mean, I get that it is all about income generation rather than sporting principles but that’s been the way of things for a long time now.

The way I read it this is an attack on UEFA. These clubs want to replace the existing European competitions with one that gives them greater income and greater certainty over that income. In return they promise to redistribute more income into domestic leagues and will still participate in those leagues with the (admittedly very hypothetical) threat of relegation.

I suppose they may subsequently call for a reduction in the size of the premiership to accommodate fixtures but that’s a battle for the future.

 I’m not saying it’s a brilliant day for the game, but I can’t get worked up about a bunch of clubs deciding to screw UEFA.

Yep - you've convinced me.

"Don't worry Daniel - Spurs will make 50 zillion a year even if you finish bottom - and the same every year because you can't be relegated, unlike the whipping boys we'll get in every season to produce goals, goals, goals and therefore games you may, in exceptional circumstances, have a chance of winning". 

"We also need to rework the old Corinthian spirit - something like 'Sport is not about taking part or even winning - it's about money', Daniel"

I’m not trying to convince anyone that it’s a good thing, I just don’t see why everyone other than UEFA is so antagonised by it. The 20 teams will still compete (with each other) and it will likely be a more competitive league/cup. 

I totally understand the ‘closed shop’ criticism, but Charlton have never been in European completion, ever, apart from that odd one they used to have in the 90’s. Speaking as a Charlton fan, if I invested my hopes in the prospect of one day reaching those heights I would probably have given up by now. So although I don’t think it is a good thing in principle I just can’t get very exercised by it in practice.

How dare you call the Anglo-Italian Cup odd, great times! 😉

Chunes said:

ElliotCAFC said:

Chunes said:

guinnessaddick said:

https://twitter.com/jamieholme/status/1383860588720246788?s=21

NSFW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zBJ5h1ND9c full clip

So tired of this argument. "Oh well sky and the premier league was about greed and they're rich so why complain about this kind of greed now." Errr.. Because they are seeking to permanently close the doors on competition and completely undermine everything everyone in English football competes for, thus rendering our own leagues and competitions void and feckless?

"Oh well Gary Neville you made money through greed in football and now you're piping up about this, what a hypocrite." The guy got his market worth, what was he supposed to do? And what has that got to do with clubs closing off competition, and ruining football, permanently? Was he supposed to put out a statement in 1999 warning us all 'this will come to a head,' like some right-back Nostradamus? Fck me.

I don’t think that’s the point he was making. This was also recorded months ago before we knew the full details of the breakaway. 

I think he’s highlighting that both sides of the aisle are corrupt and greedy. Sky, BT, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA will all try and position themselves as if they care about the integrity of the sport, when in reality they only care about losing power and influence. All of these institutions have immeasurably impacted football negatively. 

Both sides only care about money and power, whereas there’s only one side who’s being up front about it. Either way it’s ultimately the football fan who suffers.

I understand the nuance in the difference you've pointed out, but fundamentally it's the same argument. 'Don't complain about A being greedy when B, C, D and E are greedy, too. Even when A is actively seeking to ruin football.' It's nonsensical. 

Respectfully, I read it the way Elliot did. And that's "Complain about A and complain about B, C, D and E too. Complain until football prioritises clubs and supporters.

LoOkOuT said:

Chunes said:

ElliotCAFC said:

Chunes said:

guinnessaddick said:

https://twitter.com/jamieholme/status/1383860588720246788?s=21

NSFW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zBJ5h1ND9c full clip

So tired of this argument. "Oh well sky and the premier league was about greed and they're rich so why complain about this kind of greed now." Errr.. Because they are seeking to permanently close the doors on competition and completely undermine everything everyone in English football competes for, thus rendering our own leagues and competitions void and feckless?

"Oh well Gary Neville you made money through greed in football and now you're piping up about this, what a hypocrite." The guy got his market worth, what was he supposed to do? And what has that got to do with clubs closing off competition, and ruining football, permanently? Was he supposed to put out a statement in 1999 warning us all 'this will come to a head,' like some right-back Nostradamus? Fck me.

I don’t think that’s the point he was making. This was also recorded months ago before we knew the full details of the breakaway. 

I think he’s highlighting that both sides of the aisle are corrupt and greedy. Sky, BT, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA will all try and position themselves as if they care about the integrity of the sport, when in reality they only care about losing power and influence. All of these institutions have immeasurably impacted football negatively. 

Both sides only care about money and power, whereas there’s only one side who’s being up front about it. Either way it’s ultimately the football fan who suffers.

I understand the nuance in the difference you've pointed out, but fundamentally it's the same argument. 'Don't complain about A being greedy when B, C, D and E are greedy, too. Even when A is actively seeking to ruin football.' It's nonsensical. 

Respectfully, I read it the way Elliot did. And that's "Complain about A and complain about B, C, D and E too. Complain until football prioritises clubs and supporters.

All Greed Matters?