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European Super League - clubs withdrawing p42 onwards.
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Is there no way the Premier League and EFL could effectively re-structure itself kicking out the top six regardless what happens with this Super League? - Would never happen but be great to see those who go chasing the money ending up with nothing3
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A lot more than I expected tbh.WSS said:
How many EFL clubs have?KBslittlesis said:Am I right in thinking we haven’t put out anything about this yet?
Not even the EFL’s statement?
Thats interesting isn’t it? 🤔
That being said, with an American owner who probably “gets” what the others are doing and maybe even agrees with the format, he’s aware enough of sentiment to say nothing for now.
Your answer is the exact reason I was worried about the silence.1 -
I'm just watching the BBC news, all fans shown were against the idea apart from a Chinese Milan fan in China who was looking forward to it.12
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Hull - no statement on websiteKBslittlesis said:
A lot more than I expected tbh.WSS said:
How many EFL clubs have?KBslittlesis said:Am I right in thinking we haven’t put out anything about this yet?
Not even the EFL’s statement?
Thats interesting isn’t it? 🤔
That being said, with an American owner who probably “gets” what the others are doing and maybe even agrees with the format, he’s aware enough of sentiment to say nothing for now.
Your answer is the exact reason I was worried about the silence.
Peterborough - no statement on website
Sunderland - no statement on website
Blackpool - EFL statement on website https://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/efl-statement-european-super-league/
Lincoln - EFL statement on website https://www.weareimps.com/news/2021/april/210419-efl/
Portsmouth - EFL statement on website https://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/efl-statement-european-super-league/
Oxford - no statement on website
Charlton - no statement on website
Ipswich - EFL statement on website https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/efl-statement-european-super-league/
Doncaster - no statement on website
Looks like every team that has a statement on their website has the "standard" EFL website build whereas other clubs that don't, don't have the statement up. No club has provided their own statement.0 -
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It's a very bold move, I almost can't believe they have the balls to do it, but it seems legit. From The Guardian:SELR_addicks said:
"Real Madrid, Manchester City and Chelsea will likely be banned from this season’s Champions League semi-finals, UEFA executive committee member Jesper Moller told broadcaster DR on Monday.“The clubs must go, and I expect that to happen on Friday. Then we have to find out how to finish (this season’s) Champions League tournament,” said Moller, who is the head of the Danish FA. “There is an extraordinary executive committee meeting on Friday.”
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Never seen it, but from a short clip he seems like a James O'Brien type character - everyone that doesn't agree with him is simply thick (oh, and it was Thatcher's fault)...charlton_hero said:
He's easily the worst one on that show, otherwise it's quite an enjoyable listen.guinnessaddick said:1 -
I don’t think that’s the point he was making. This was also recorded months ago before we knew the full details of the breakaway.Chunes said:
So tired of this argument. "Oh well sky and the premier league was about greed and they're rich so why complain about this kind of greed now." Errr.. Because they are seeking to permanently close the doors on competition and completely undermine everything everyone in English football competes for, thus rendering our own leagues and competitions void and feckless?guinnessaddick said:
"Oh well Gary Neville you made money through greed in football and now you're piping up about this, what a hypocrite." The guy got his market worth, what was he supposed to do? And what has that got to do with clubs closing off competition, and ruining football, permanently? Was he supposed to put out a statement in 1999 warning us all 'this will come to a head,' like some right-back Nostradamus? Fck me.I think he’s highlighting that both sides of the aisle are corrupt and greedy. Sky, BT, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA will all try and position themselves as if they care about the integrity of the sport, when in reality they only care about losing power and influence. All of these institutions have immeasurably impacted football negatively.Both sides only care about money and power, whereas there’s only one side who’s being up front about it. Either way it’s ultimately the football fan who suffers.2 -
Seen some say to award the UCL to PSG and have a Roma v Villarreal final for the Europa but UEFA won't want to decommit on their contract with broadcasters - remember the desperation to complete this behind closed doors last year?SELR_addicks said:
I would imagine if all these clubs are expelled, we'll see Granada and Slavia Prague in the semi finals of the Europa. The teams directly eliminated by those who are kicked out.
Granada v Roma
Villarreal v Slavia Prague
The Champions League is a bit harder to unpick. Losing quarter finalists at this stage were Dortmund (beaten by Man City), Porto (beaten by Chelsea) and finally Bayern Munich (beaten by PSG). PSG may oppose the inclusion of Bayern since they were the ones to beat them. That would leave us with this semi final line-up:
PSG v Dortmund
SF3 v Porto
Semi finalist three should have been Real Madrid. Real Madrid beat Liverpool who could have benefitted but both teams are kicked out due to their involvement in the Super League. If you take a step back to the round of 16, Real Madrid beat Atalanta while Liverpool beat Leipzig.
We could see a one-off playoff game between Atalanta and Leipzig to determine the last remaining place in the semi finals.1 - Sponsored links:
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I love International football. World cups and Euros are class with a group of mates.
In all honesty I’d be gutted if that went and it’d make those summers a hell of a lot less interesting.6 -
Champions leagues a joke cup anyway.Chunes said:
It's a very bold move, I almost can't believe they have the balls to do it, but it seems legit. From The Guardian:SELR_addicks said:
"Real Madrid, Manchester City and Chelsea will likely be banned from this season’s Champions League semi-finals, UEFA executive committee member Jesper Moller told broadcaster DR on Monday.“The clubs must go, and I expect that to happen on Friday. Then we have to find out how to finish (this season’s) Champions League tournament,” said Moller, who is the head of the Danish FA. “There is an extraordinary executive committee meeting on Friday.”
How many in the last 16 are actually champions??0 -
They'll invite 3 random teams into the CLAlgarveaddick said:
That'll make for an interesting final...SELR_addicks said:
PSG 1 - Glentoran 1 (Glentoran win 5-4 on penalties)
Millwall 2 - SR Brașov 1
In the final Millwall beat Glentoran 1-0 and become Champions League winners. They are then immediately invited to become the 13th Super League side.5 -
This seems like a fun tournament - I’m all for it.0
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So if this goes ahead and they have the 15 'founding clubs' and 5 others and there is no relegation for the founding clubs: what happens in the situation where the 5 teams that have 'earned' their right to be there finish in the top 5 spots and the founding clubs finish below them? Do you then have a situation where the the teams in 4th and 5th are relegated?
I am sure they would then try to skew it to say founding teams get 6 points for a win, 4 for a draw and 3 for a loss.0 -
I'll give you no price that the other 14 Premier League bosses will be keeping their powder dry and leaning on the English FA to do the same.
None of them gives a fuck about "the pyramid", grass roots, the lower leagues, the league cup, the international game nor even the FA cup. All the money is in the worldwide TV deals for the EPL. They'll happily accommodate the 6 craven grasping shithouses if the cash keeps hosing in to their own tax haven zero compliance Cayman Island business bank accounts.
The FA has form here don't forget. It got into bed with unseemly haste when the premier league took it up the shitter from Murdoch for twenty pieces of silver and has been laughing up its (wizard's) sleeve for a generation. Not one fuck given for the 72 or anything lower down.
As far as 'English Team' involvement goes, the paymasters of the existing EPL TV deals hold the balance of power here. All the blowhards and witless administrators at EFL etc are whistling in the wind while wanking if they think anything they say or do will make the square root of fuck all difference.
The shameless grasping crooks at the heads of UEFA and FIFA will be bought off soon enough. Their current outpourings are thinly scripted guff, which when translated amount to little more than white noise while they take their places in the queue to find out how much they'll all get served off this gravy train with their arses in the air being cheerfully rogered.
Quite simply if the €€numbers work and the EPL TV deals persist then this horse has bolted, cos there was never a door on the fucking stable to lock.5 -
Callumcafc said:
Hull - no statement on websiteKBslittlesis said:
A lot more than I expected tbh.WSS said:
How many EFL clubs have?KBslittlesis said:Am I right in thinking we haven’t put out anything about this yet?
Not even the EFL’s statement?
Thats interesting isn’t it? 🤔
That being said, with an American owner who probably “gets” what the others are doing and maybe even agrees with the format, he’s aware enough of sentiment to say nothing for now.
Your answer is the exact reason I was worried about the silence.
Peterborough - no statement on website
Sunderland - no statement on website
Blackpool - EFL statement on website https://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/efl-statement-european-super-league/
Lincoln - EFL statement on website https://www.weareimps.com/news/2021/april/210419-efl/
Portsmouth - EFL statement on website https://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/efl-statement-european-super-league/
Oxford - no statement on website
Charlton - no statement on website
Ipswich - EFL statement on website https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/efl-statement-european-super-league/
Doncaster - no statement on website
Looks like every team that has a statement on their website has the "standard" EFL website build whereas other clubs that don't, don't have the statement up. No club has provided their own statement.
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I understand the nuance in the difference you've pointed out, but fundamentally it's the same argument. 'Don't complain about A being greedy when B, C, D and E are greedy, too. Even when A is actively seeking to ruin football.' It's nonsensical.ElliotCAFC said:
I don’t think that’s the point he was making. This was also recorded months ago before we knew the full details of the breakaway.Chunes said:
So tired of this argument. "Oh well sky and the premier league was about greed and they're rich so why complain about this kind of greed now." Errr.. Because they are seeking to permanently close the doors on competition and completely undermine everything everyone in English football competes for, thus rendering our own leagues and competitions void and feckless?guinnessaddick said:
"Oh well Gary Neville you made money through greed in football and now you're piping up about this, what a hypocrite." The guy got his market worth, what was he supposed to do? And what has that got to do with clubs closing off competition, and ruining football, permanently? Was he supposed to put out a statement in 1999 warning us all 'this will come to a head,' like some right-back Nostradamus? Fck me.I think he’s highlighting that both sides of the aisle are corrupt and greedy. Sky, BT, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA will all try and position themselves as if they care about the integrity of the sport, when in reality they only care about losing power and influence. All of these institutions have immeasurably impacted football negatively.Both sides only care about money and power, whereas there’s only one side who’s being up front about it. Either way it’s ultimately the football fan who suffers.
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I’m not trying to convince anyone that it’s a good thing, I just don’t see why everyone other than UEFA is so antagonised by it. The 20 teams will still compete (with each other) and it will likely be a more competitive league/cup.bobmunro said:
Yep - you've convinced me.24 Red said:Sorry if this is covered elsewhere in the thread, but can someone clarify why this proposal is so terrible?
I mean, I get that it is all about income generation rather than sporting principles but that’s been the way of things for a long time now.
The way I read it this is an attack on UEFA. These clubs want to replace the existing European competitions with one that gives them greater income and greater certainty over that income. In return they promise to redistribute more income into domestic leagues and will still participate in those leagues with the (admittedly very hypothetical) threat of relegation.
I suppose they may subsequently call for a reduction in the size of the premiership to accommodate fixtures but that’s a battle for the future.
I’m not saying it’s a brilliant day for the game, but I can’t get worked up about a bunch of clubs deciding to screw UEFA.
"Don't worry Daniel - Spurs will make 50 zillion a year even if you finish bottom - and the same every year because you can't be relegated, unlike the whipping boys we'll get in every season to produce goals, goals, goals and therefore games you may, in exceptional circumstances, have a chance of winning".
"We also need to rework the old Corinthian spirit - something like 'Sport is not about taking part or even winning - it's about money', Daniel"
I totally understand the ‘closed shop’ criticism, but Charlton have never been in European completion, ever, apart from that odd one they used to have in the 90’s. Speaking as a Charlton fan, if I invested my hopes in the prospect of one day reaching those heights I would probably have given up by now. So although I don’t think it is a good thing in principle I just can’t get very exercised by it in practice.3 -
Fair play to the Burton chairman. I only checked the top eight or nine teams since those are the most directly comparable to ourselves at this moment in time.KBslittlesis said:Callumcafc said:
Hull - no statement on websiteKBslittlesis said:
A lot more than I expected tbh.WSS said:
How many EFL clubs have?KBslittlesis said:Am I right in thinking we haven’t put out anything about this yet?
Not even the EFL’s statement?
Thats interesting isn’t it? 🤔
That being said, with an American owner who probably “gets” what the others are doing and maybe even agrees with the format, he’s aware enough of sentiment to say nothing for now.
Your answer is the exact reason I was worried about the silence.
Peterborough - no statement on website
Sunderland - no statement on website
Blackpool - EFL statement on website https://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/efl-statement-european-super-league/
Lincoln - EFL statement on website https://www.weareimps.com/news/2021/april/210419-efl/
Portsmouth - EFL statement on website https://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/efl-statement-european-super-league/
Oxford - no statement on website
Charlton - no statement on website
Ipswich - EFL statement on website https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/efl-statement-european-super-league/
Doncaster - no statement on website
Looks like every team that has a statement on their website has the "standard" EFL website build whereas other clubs that don't, don't have the statement up. No club has provided their own statement.0 - Sponsored links:
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How dare you call the Anglo-Italian Cup odd, great times! 😉24 Red said:
I’m not trying to convince anyone that it’s a good thing, I just don’t see why everyone other than UEFA is so antagonised by it. The 20 teams will still compete (with each other) and it will likely be a more competitive league/cup.bobmunro said:
Yep - you've convinced me.24 Red said:Sorry if this is covered elsewhere in the thread, but can someone clarify why this proposal is so terrible?
I mean, I get that it is all about income generation rather than sporting principles but that’s been the way of things for a long time now.
The way I read it this is an attack on UEFA. These clubs want to replace the existing European competitions with one that gives them greater income and greater certainty over that income. In return they promise to redistribute more income into domestic leagues and will still participate in those leagues with the (admittedly very hypothetical) threat of relegation.
I suppose they may subsequently call for a reduction in the size of the premiership to accommodate fixtures but that’s a battle for the future.
I’m not saying it’s a brilliant day for the game, but I can’t get worked up about a bunch of clubs deciding to screw UEFA.
"Don't worry Daniel - Spurs will make 50 zillion a year even if you finish bottom - and the same every year because you can't be relegated, unlike the whipping boys we'll get in every season to produce goals, goals, goals and therefore games you may, in exceptional circumstances, have a chance of winning".
"We also need to rework the old Corinthian spirit - something like 'Sport is not about taking part or even winning - it's about money', Daniel"
I totally understand the ‘closed shop’ criticism, but Charlton have never been in European completion, ever, apart from that odd one they used to have in the 90’s. Speaking as a Charlton fan, if I invested my hopes in the prospect of one day reaching those heights I would probably have given up by now. So although I don’t think it is a good thing in principle I just can’t get very exercised by it in practice.0 -
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Respectfully, I read it the way Elliot did. And that's "Complain about A and complain about B, C, D and E too. Complain until football prioritises clubs and supporters.Chunes said:
I understand the nuance in the difference you've pointed out, but fundamentally it's the same argument. 'Don't complain about A being greedy when B, C, D and E are greedy, too. Even when A is actively seeking to ruin football.' It's nonsensical.ElliotCAFC said:
I don’t think that’s the point he was making. This was also recorded months ago before we knew the full details of the breakaway.Chunes said:
So tired of this argument. "Oh well sky and the premier league was about greed and they're rich so why complain about this kind of greed now." Errr.. Because they are seeking to permanently close the doors on competition and completely undermine everything everyone in English football competes for, thus rendering our own leagues and competitions void and feckless?guinnessaddick said:
"Oh well Gary Neville you made money through greed in football and now you're piping up about this, what a hypocrite." The guy got his market worth, what was he supposed to do? And what has that got to do with clubs closing off competition, and ruining football, permanently? Was he supposed to put out a statement in 1999 warning us all 'this will come to a head,' like some right-back Nostradamus? Fck me.I think he’s highlighting that both sides of the aisle are corrupt and greedy. Sky, BT, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA will all try and position themselves as if they care about the integrity of the sport, when in reality they only care about losing power and influence. All of these institutions have immeasurably impacted football negatively.Both sides only care about money and power, whereas there’s only one side who’s being up front about it. Either way it’s ultimately the football fan who suffers.2 -
Fixed that for you...Redmidland said:UEFA President sticking boot into Ed Woodward from Man Utd! This is going to be nasty incredibly entertaining to watch, with popcorn and a suitable beverage, without a doubt.3 -
All Greed Matters?LoOkOuT said:
Respectfully, I read it the way Elliot did. And that's "Complain about A and complain about B, C, D and E too. Complain until football prioritises clubs and supporters.Chunes said:
I understand the nuance in the difference you've pointed out, but fundamentally it's the same argument. 'Don't complain about A being greedy when B, C, D and E are greedy, too. Even when A is actively seeking to ruin football.' It's nonsensical.ElliotCAFC said:
I don’t think that’s the point he was making. This was also recorded months ago before we knew the full details of the breakaway.Chunes said:
So tired of this argument. "Oh well sky and the premier league was about greed and they're rich so why complain about this kind of greed now." Errr.. Because they are seeking to permanently close the doors on competition and completely undermine everything everyone in English football competes for, thus rendering our own leagues and competitions void and feckless?guinnessaddick said:
"Oh well Gary Neville you made money through greed in football and now you're piping up about this, what a hypocrite." The guy got his market worth, what was he supposed to do? And what has that got to do with clubs closing off competition, and ruining football, permanently? Was he supposed to put out a statement in 1999 warning us all 'this will come to a head,' like some right-back Nostradamus? Fck me.I think he’s highlighting that both sides of the aisle are corrupt and greedy. Sky, BT, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA will all try and position themselves as if they care about the integrity of the sport, when in reality they only care about losing power and influence. All of these institutions have immeasurably impacted football negatively.Both sides only care about money and power, whereas there’s only one side who’s being up front about it. Either way it’s ultimately the football fan who suffers.4 -
Well said William, send the bastards to the tower for treasonclive said:
Ps Leeds v Liverpool is 8pm KO.
I'm gonna only half watch it, that'll learn 'em.1 -
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#engulfedbobmunro said:PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi has turned down the chance to replace Andrea Agnelli as chairman of the European Clubs’ Association.
The ECA is reeling from the resignation of all 12 clubs involved in the planned European Super League.
BBC Sport understands Al-Khelaifi was the first choice to take over from Juventus chairman Agnelli, who was condemned for his behaviour in joining the planned breakaway by UEFA president.
However, Al Khelaifi is reluctant to add to his workload.
BBC Sport has been told this is not the prelude to a move by PSG to join the 12 clubs, as they hoped, and that Al Khelaifi has been speaking with the ECA and Uefa today as the row that has engulfed them continues.
Hmmm - nothing to do with the probability that the Kuwaiti owned PSG will almost certainly join the ESL AFTER the World Cup in Kuwait!
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