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So why is Pakistan and Bangladesh on the list when they have a lower rate than India?Huskaris said:
Thanks, that makes perfect sense.SELR_addicks said:Apparently one of the reasons India isn't on the red list is because Boris has an official visit lined up....
Public safety never seems to be the priority.
What is the red list even for if it doesn't care about virus rates in the countries?4 -
Tell that to anybody suffering blood clots on the lungsSELR_addicks said:
Different types of blood clots.CafcWest said:
AZ Vaccine blood clots are a lot more dangerous and deadly.
About a decade before anybody heard of Covid-19 former colleague of mine aged about 50 had one blood clot in one lung and it killed him in a matter of hours0 -
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Whilst tragic, what relevance has that to this discussion?Billy_Mix said:
Tell that to anybody suffering blood clots on the lungsSELR_addicks said:
Different types of blood clots.CafcWest said:
AZ Vaccine blood clots are a lot more dangerous and deadly.
About a decade before anybody heard of Covid-19 former colleague of mine aged about 50 had one blood clot in one lung and it killed him in a matter of hours5 -
Pregnant women should be offered a Covid jab, the UK's vaccine advisers have announced.
They say the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are preferable because data from the US in 90,000 pregnant women has not raised any safety concerns.
There is currently a lack of data on the AstraZeneca vaccine in pregnancy, the Joint Committee for Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) added.
The advice brings the UK into line with other countries.
Pregnant women should discuss the risks and benefits of having a vaccine with their doctor as well as the latest evidence on safety and which one they should receive, the JCVI says.
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This is a genuine question, have you ever been to India?seth plum said:There was an item on the news from India where there was a lot of ceremonial intermingling.
It was a contrast to the notion of social distancing that has been tried out I the UK.
When this pandemic began Mr O & I both discussed the fact that we couldn’t see a country like India being able to practically social distance, especially in cities. It’s just not at all possible, regardless of when there is any religious element thrown into the mix.
I’m sure there are other countries like Brazil that are the same (I’ve never been there).
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KBslittlesis said:
I haven't been to India, but have been to China.
This is a genuine question, have you ever been to India?seth plum said:There was an item on the news from India where there was a lot of ceremonial intermingling.
It was a contrast to the notion of social distancing that has been tried out I the UK.
When this pandemic began Mr O & I both discussed the fact that we couldn’t see a country like India being able to practically social distance, especially in cities. It’s just not at all possible, regardless of when there is any religious element thrown into the mix.
I’m sure there are other countries like Brazil that are the same (I’ve never been there).
My heart goes out to them
On my first visit to Beijing the streams and crowds of cyclists passing made it difficult to notice an individual, like an enormous flock of birds, or the bulk of runners in the London Marathon at the 'ordinary' start.
On my latest visit the rather good new Beijing underground system was packed to the gunnels at all times of the day.
It may be that we don't have accurate information from China regarding the impact of the coronavirus. My mother in law chooses to go out seldon, and she is in her eighties anyway, but my surprised impression regarding such a crowded city is that there is a degree of normality and management (probably quite strict) of the situation.
I do know that my brother in law has not been able to travel from Hamburg to Beijing since I don't know when.
The populations of some places, like in parts of South Africa for example, seem so crowded I don't know how they will survive if they continue with their usual lifestyle.
I hope vaccines will be effective, available and plentiful worldwide as soon as possible.4 -
Had my 2nd vaccination today. All done
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As at 17th April;Last Saturday's UK v France figures
UK Current 1st jabs = 31,903,366
France Current 1st jabs = 10,148,039
UK Current 2nd jabs = 6,541,174
France Current 2nd jabs = 3,488,124
UK Current 1st Jabs = 32,574,221
France Current 1st Jabs = 11,982,970
UK Current 2nd jabs = 8,931,547
France Current 2nd jabs = 4,269,590
UK 1st jabs last week = 670,855
France 1st jabs last week = 1,834,931
UK 2nd jabs last week = 2,390,373
France 2nd jabs last week = 781,466
UK Total last week = 3,061,228
France Total last week = 2,616,3970 -
What’s the point of this? I hope we continue to do brilliantly and they and every other country do too, if not better.Simonsen said:
As at 17th April;Last Saturday's UK v France figures
UK Current 1st jabs = 31,903,366
France Current 1st jabs = 10,148,039
UK Current 2nd jabs = 6,541,174
France Current 2nd jabs = 3,488,124
UK Current 1st Jabs = 32,574,221
France Current 1st Jabs = 11,982,970
UK Current 2nd jabs = 8,931,547
France Current 2nd jabs = 4,269,590
UK 1st jabs last week = 670,855
France 1st jabs last week = 1,834,931
UK 2nd jabs last week = 2,390,373
France 2nd jabs last week = 781,466
UK Total last week = 3,061,228
France Total last week = 2,616,3975 -
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I would however be interested in seeing what the number of vaccine refusals is. Last figure I saw some weeks ago now suggested the uptake in France was still below 50%. That will be a problem for them and us unless it significantly increases.hmmoore said:
What’s the point of this? I hope we continue to do brilliantly and they and every other country do too, if not better.Simonsen said:
As at 17th April;Last Saturday's UK v France figures
UK Current 1st jabs = 31,903,366
France Current 1st jabs = 10,148,039
UK Current 2nd jabs = 6,541,174
France Current 2nd jabs = 3,488,124
UK Current 1st Jabs = 32,574,221
France Current 1st Jabs = 11,982,970
UK Current 2nd jabs = 8,931,547
France Current 2nd jabs = 4,269,590
UK 1st jabs last week = 670,855
France 1st jabs last week = 1,834,931
UK 2nd jabs last week = 2,390,373
France 2nd jabs last week = 781,466
UK Total last week = 3,061,228
France Total last week = 2,616,3970 -
Surely what matters is the we beat them! What's the point of living if you can't beat the French at something!4
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Still suffering with long Covid and was given AZ last night. After 7 hours every Covid symptom erupted together. Fever returned and I have loss of smell for the first time. Feel dreadful but am interested whether the vaccine might be having a tussle with all of the sites with Covid remnants in my body? Time will tell and I was forewarned I may be in for a rough 48 hours. Hope it is max 48 hours and the vaccine helps.8
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I don't know for sure but believe I may have had COVID last Feb (oddly shortly after meeting Southall!)Pavoren007 said:Still suffering with long Covid and was given AZ last night. After 7 hours every Covid symptom erupted together. Fever returned and I have loss of smell for the first time. Feel dreadful but am interested whether the vaccine might be having a tussle with all of the sites with Covid remnants in my body? Time will tell and I was forewarned I may be in for a rough 48 hours. Hope it is max 48 hours and the vaccine helps.
After 36 hours of feeling really rough with the AZ jab, I now feel fine, so hopefully yours won't last too long.2 -
Heard about a friend who had the AZ vaccine last week having had COVID-19 without any symptoms. He felt quite rough that night. On Friday he was awake most of the night, was sweating and his hand got a pattern in the skin. OK now.Pavoren007 said:Still suffering with long Covid and was given AZ last night. After 7 hours every Covid symptom erupted together. Fever returned and I have loss of smell for the first time. Feel dreadful but am interested whether the vaccine might be having a tussle with all of the sites with Covid remnants in my body? Time will tell and I was forewarned I may be in for a rough 48 hours. Hope it is max 48 hours and the vaccine helps.
I had my second Pfizer jab on Friday in Eltham. Longer queue than last time. No after effects.3 -
Pavoren007 said:Still suffering with long Covid and was given AZ last night. After 7 hours every Covid symptom erupted together. Fever returned and I have loss of smell for the first time. Feel dreadful but am interested whether the vaccine might be having a tussle with all of the sites with Covid remnants in my body? Time will tell and I was forewarned I may be in for a rough 48 hours. Hope it is max 48 hours and the vaccine helps.I hope you're feeling better today.It may have been mentioned earlier in the thread, but it seems from anecdotal evidence that the vaccine has in some cases eliminated most of the symptoms of long Covid - so acting as a therapeutic as well as protection. Here's hoping.1
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It's not a gloat or anything like that. Far from it. The figures have shown that the UK continues to vaccinate at a fantastic rate and that France (a significant near neighbour) has definitely picked up their rate in recent weeks but are still not hitting the same levels that the UK is managing. Another CL contributor asked if France would overtake us but at the moment that doesn't seem likely.hmmoore said:
What’s the point of this? I hope we continue to do brilliantly and they and every other country do too, if not better.Simonsen said:
As at 17th April;Last Saturday's UK v France figures
UK Current 1st jabs = 31,903,366
France Current 1st jabs = 10,148,039
UK Current 2nd jabs = 6,541,174
France Current 2nd jabs = 3,488,124
UK Current 1st Jabs = 32,574,221
France Current 1st Jabs = 11,982,970
UK Current 2nd jabs = 8,931,547
France Current 2nd jabs = 4,269,590
UK 1st jabs last week = 670,855
France 1st jabs last week = 1,834,931
UK 2nd jabs last week = 2,390,373
France 2nd jabs last week = 781,466
UK Total last week = 3,061,228
France Total last week = 2,616,397
In terms of other nearish European neighbours, Holland appears to be struggling to make big in-roads. I know someone in Amsterdam whose 84yr old mother (with a condition) still hasn't even had the offer of a vaccine. It's a great worry and there is an under-lying feeling that the Dutch Government is letting the population down. By comparison my own 84yr old mother here in the UK, had her first vaccine exactly four months ago.0 -
Mother in law is one of the volunteers at the vaccination centre in Epping and there were 14 Pfizer ones left from no shows yesterday evening so everyone’s encouraged to ask who they know if they want a vaccine this has been going on for a few weeks when she’s been there , so my wife eventually went and had one last night she’s only 38 so not due yet , no after effects so far7
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Hope you’re feeling better today and that the first dose manages to get the long Covid out of your system once and for all.Pavoren007 said:Still suffering with long Covid and was given AZ last night. After 7 hours every Covid symptom erupted together. Fever returned and I have loss of smell for the first time. Feel dreadful but am interested whether the vaccine might be having a tussle with all of the sites with Covid remnants in my body? Time will tell and I was forewarned I may be in for a rough 48 hours. Hope it is max 48 hours and the vaccine helps.0 -
I am so tentative about having my 2nd jab, which is due by May 27th. I have always been pro vaccine and was delighted to get the invite for my first one, when it came.
However, I still wonder if the symptoms I’ve had since the first jab, were caused by the vaccine or by the surgery that I had 3 weeks prior.I originally blamed the op but I’m reading of quite a few people with similar symptoms after they had the Pfizer jab, that I’m now starting to worry that it was the jab after all. I don’t think I’ll ever know.0 -
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Hope you feel better, by the time of your 2nd jab, I would go ahead and have it.alan dugdale said:I am so tentative about having my 2nd jab, which is due by May 27th. I have always been pro vaccine and was delighted to get the invite for my first one, when it came.
However, I still wonder if the symptoms I’ve had since the first jab, were caused by the vaccine or by the surgery that I had 3 weeks prior.I originally blamed the op but I’m reading of quite a few people with similar symptoms after they had the Pfizer jab, that I’m now starting to worry that it was the jab after all. I don’t think I’ll ever know.
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Cheers. I certainly want to have it and suppose if the same thing happens again, I’ll have an answer !Johnnysummers5 said:
Hope you feel better, by the time of your 2nd jab, I would go ahead and have it.alan dugdale said:I am so tentative about having my 2nd jab, which is due by May 27th. I have always been pro vaccine and was delighted to get the invite for my first one, when it came.
However, I still wonder if the symptoms I’ve had since the first jab, were caused by the vaccine or by the surgery that I had 3 weeks prior.I originally blamed the op but I’m reading of quite a few people with similar symptoms after they had the Pfizer jab, that I’m now starting to worry that it was the jab after all. I don’t think I’ll ever know.1 -
Thank you! Fever has gone thankfully and smell has returned. Back to long Covid symptoms but know (from reading) if I am lucky enough it takes approx a week for the T-cells to work their magic on long Covid so 🤞. Will not hesitate going through the last day and a half or so again to give me the protection.stoneroses19 said:
Hope you’re feeling better today and that the first dose manages to get the long Covid out of your system once and for all.Pavoren007 said:Still suffering with long Covid and was given AZ last night. After 7 hours every Covid symptom erupted together. Fever returned and I have loss of smell for the first time. Feel dreadful but am interested whether the vaccine might be having a tussle with all of the sites with Covid remnants in my body? Time will tell and I was forewarned I may be in for a rough 48 hours. Hope it is max 48 hours and the vaccine helps.
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Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
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how many can say they or someone they know has been struck by lightning?
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"With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million"stonemuse said:Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223811436_Deaths_and_injuries_caused_by_lightning_in_the_United_Kingdom_Analyses_of_two_databases
People trying to downplay the clotting risk is dangerous. It needs to be scrutinised properly rather than just hand-waved away.1 -
I read a newspaper article about a park ranger in the US that had been struck by lightening numerous times, but ended up shooting himself as he was heartbroken.Karim_myBagheri said:how many can say they or someone they know has been struck by lightning?
After a quick Google search his name was Roy Sullivan and he had survived seven lightening strikes.0 -
Parents just had their 2nd brought forward to yesterday by about 3 weeks. (Guys). Which is greeeat!4
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It is being scrutinised. That's exactly what happens every single time a new medicine is released and more statistical data becomes available as more people take it. The statistics are *literally* shown multiple times in the thread above. Along with the statistics of being struck by lightning, and of getting a blood clot through taking a contraceptive, and developing one after catching covid.SELR_addicks said:
"With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million"stonemuse said:Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223811436_Deaths_and_injuries_caused_by_lightning_in_the_United_Kingdom_Analyses_of_two_databases
People trying to downplay the clotting risk is dangerous. It needs to be scrutinised properly rather than just hand-waved away.7
