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Has Bowyer lost it?
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We haven't got much to lose - another couple of victories and we're safe from relegation. A lot of the squad won't be here next season.BR7_addick said:
I thought this, and think we may as well play the kids and players on longer term contracts only. Henry and Morgan in centre midfield, Barker back in the team etc. I’d be happy to see this now, well happier at least.AFKABartram said:If the strategic decision by Sandgaard is to write off this season now and ride it out with no change, this could get pretty grim. Our run in will see us playing back to back against teams playing for promotion with a disheartened squad playing for nothing and knowing they are leaving.
A fresh start next season will lift morale.1 -
Sky bet obviously thinks that same they are not offering odds on a regelation "at the moment"Scoham said:
I struggle to see where we’ll pick up the last 7-10 points we need in that scenario.AFKABartram said:If the strategic decision by Sandgaard is to write off this season now and ride it out with no change, this could get pretty grim. Our run in will see us playing back to back against teams playing for promotion with a disheartened squad playing for nothing and knowing they are leaving.
Time to bet on us losing every game, easy money or force a few good unexpected results.
MuttleyCAFC said:The team is devoid of confidence so it is a bit harsh writing a player off in these circumstances.
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In his post match interview yesterday he mentioned encouraging players to express themselves on the pitch, I feel this wasn’t the truth and he was attempting to project himself in a good light, you can see the creativity ebb away week after week, our promising players are slowly being suppressed by creativity vampirism.1
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I’m out.2
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Nah, message boards and the clown show that is social media feels a bit frantic, the club itself is in a good placedajavouslagan said:. The club once again feels very toxic.....although for a very different reason this time!4 -
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"Could get grim"....it has been for quite some time and is now starting to mirror last season, but at a lower level but with more resources!0
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After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.7 -
EugenesAxe said:
I think you need to respect the opinion more of those that have watched most games/every game, surely you just don’t have enough experience of the current gameplay to form an opinion as steadfast as the one you have.ElfsborgAddick said:
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How many games you watched this season again?ElfsborgAddick said:
C The players could not give a s***, Bowyer does.Dazzler21 said:So what's the concensus?
Is the issue:
A - Bowyer has lost the dressing room as suggested by a player to J Block
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B - ThE PlAyErS ArEn'T gOoD eNoUgH.
Out them and replace in the summer and 'do a Powell' next season.
you seem very confident of your own views, why is that? Unless you have first hand experience of the current situation aren’t your opinions based on guesswork; the same as others.
it’s like like a doctor making a house call and examining the patient through the letterbox.I agree with you completely.I respect the opinion of the guys that watch the games, I have to as I do not watch them. My stance on Boywer is purely out of his record up to December 2019. For the second half of the 19/20 season he was hampered with all the backroom s*** going on and we were 60 seconds away from staying up. This season we started off reasonably well but we have been in freefall, I realise that.Of course my opinions are based on guesswork. You doctor analogy is funny and true, thank you for being witty and not pan me.Aside from the above, my view is that he should have the summer to sort things out and then assess things after 15 games.If you look back through my posts, I do not comment on the games, my comments are based on blind loyalty to Bowyer. There you go.0 -
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MuttleyCAFC said:After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.
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Normally in most football scenarios poor performances and manager outbursts about everything would end up with a sacking.
However in our case I haven't a clue as to what TS is trying to achieve as I'm concerned he won't sack LB which seems bonkers to me.
Grim is one word being spoken but can anyone realisticly see the next few games going any better?
It's toxic and we will continue to slide down the table if things don't change.
Please TS you have been amazing at saving the club off the pitch but now save it on!
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Not if he hasn't assured him of such. Being a man of principle is not the same thing as being a fool.ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.1 -
Replace the word ‘club’ for ‘squad’ and I think you’re right.dajavouslagan said:. The club once again feels very toxic.....although for a very different reason this time!0 -
Do you think Lee stills Thomas about tactics before the game? I thought that was a bit weird1
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Recruitment hasn’t been good but I’m not sure which players are good enough or whether the team spirit and overall performances are just affecting them. Amos, Gunter, Shinnie are the players I think of here, maybe Gilbey, Washington.That’s why it’s vital to give a new manager a few games this season. Realistically it’s not practical to come in and make 20 new signings so the new guy needs to have a look and see them in action before the summer.0
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Why? How do you come to that conclusion?ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.0 -
Even Watson could be a good player for us with the right players playing around him. It would be foolish to write off a player like Gunter with 99 caps. I could go on.
If we are going to plan for next season, we need to see the players play without being held back by a manager who has clearly lost the plot.12 -
Elf’s has admitted his comments are based on blind loyalty to Bowyer. Whilst you have to respect the honesty, you can’t take any of it seriously because he’s not paying £10 a game to watch the shit being served up.Croydon said:
Why? How do you come to that conclusion?ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.3 -
The thing we can see that obviously Lee can’t is that the players are unhappy. Now there’s a reason for that. I’m not buying into players like Gunter, Watson, Matthews all suddenly being crap. They are seasoned pro’s and know what’s what. Now if their problem is apathy again the question is why ? As for the younger elements that have come in looked bright and then gone backwards it’s the same question isn’t it ? Look at Maatsen. He arrived and immediately made a positive impact. Certainly learning on his defending but brimming with confidence yet now he’s often quite appalling. Is he a crap player or has he just lost all confidence playing for Charlton ? Something at Sparrows Lane day to day isn’t good. Both @Addick Addict and @Jessie picked up on this earlier in the thread. I’m 100% certain that the squad we currently have is not a bottom half third tier squad that on form might yet get sucked into a relegation fight. I just don’t. If our players are in numbers just going through the motions then it’s because they don’t really respect how they are being treated and managed. The younger ones are probably just devoid of of confidence.Here’s my theory. When Lee came in it was 100% support for his players. He spoke calmly and in a measured way. It totally surprised me just how calm and thoughtful he was. Now he’s edgy, critical of players to the point of embarrassing. He’s disrespectful and blames all and sundry for our deficiencies including referees, assistant refs, players and for god sake even the supporters. Yesterday he intimated at being undermined from within. Now it might be pressure or Lee getting too cocky or perhaps he’s just not happy but doesn’t realise that yet but what I do know is that things as they are can’t continue. It’s hard to see Lee getting back to that cool, calm person we first saw. It’s hard to see him winning back this group of players. We can’t risk some weird freak of a relegation. Yes it’s unlikely but would you put your mortgage on it ? Wigan on Tuesday is now massive. I’m not confident after yesterday that we won’t lose this as well. What then ?19
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I get that, and while I find it a bit odd, I just don't understand his thought process around Sandgaard principlescafcfan1990 said:
Elf’s has admitted his comments are based on blind loyalty to Bowyer. Whilst you have to respect the honesty, you can’t take any of it seriously because he’s not paying £10 a game to watch the shit being served up.Croydon said:
Why? How do you come to that conclusion?ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.
If we don't make top 6, Bowyer has failed at the goal given to him by his boss. Sandgaard is well within his rights to sack him at that point.0 -
He's entitled to sack him right now. It's the manner of the results that is so bad. Unfortunately Bowyer is not a manager.Croydon said:
I get that, and while I find it a bit odd, I just don't understand his thought process around Sandgaard principlescafcfan1990 said:
Elf’s has admitted his comments are based on blind loyalty to Bowyer. Whilst you have to respect the honesty, you can’t take any of it seriously because he’s not paying £10 a game to watch the shit being served up.Croydon said:
Why? How do you come to that conclusion?ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.
If we don't make top 6, Bowyer has failed at the goal given to him by his boss. Sandgaard is well within his rights to sack him at that point.0 -
The body language yesterday was very telling imo. LB was just walking around on the sideline with his hands in his pockets. Not sure how long he stayed out on the pitch at halftime but apparently he was late getting back to the dressing room. I would have thought after that first half performance he would have been running back to the dressing room to talk to the players. It isnt going to be pretty to watch but I think the next few weeks are going to be horrible as we have to go through the last days of his management. Wigan must be looking forward to Tuesday !0
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Was Pardew’s last game v Wigan on a Tuesday (league cup) ?0
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Bowyer has made punishment subs in the last two games rather than considered tactical ones. For instance, we were losing the midfield yesterday and Washington wasn't getting any joy so DJ off (If Millar didn't have a knock) and an extra midfielder in with Aneke on for Washington.
If it didn't work, there would have been a method and reason to it at least.0 -
If bowyer had self respect and dignity.
He should just openly apologise to the players. Don't make excuses. Be honest and just admit he hasn't quite been himself recently.
Then resign.
I'd warm to that.
He would then still be an employable football manager in a year or so.
He's learned a lot and has experienced a lot.
It would work out for both sides.
Really hope he just wakes up and does this.0 -
And general all round performance levels.Baldybonce said:
He's entitled to sack him right now. It's the manner of the results that is so bad. Unfortunately Bowyer is not a manager.Croydon said:
I get that, and while I find it a bit odd, I just don't understand his thought process around Sandgaard principlescafcfan1990 said:
Elf’s has admitted his comments are based on blind loyalty to Bowyer. Whilst you have to respect the honesty, you can’t take any of it seriously because he’s not paying £10 a game to watch the shit being served up.Croydon said:
Why? How do you come to that conclusion?ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.
If we don't make top 6, Bowyer has failed at the goal given to him by his boss. Sandgaard is well within his rights to sack him at that point.0 -
I’m sure Bowyer has “self respect and dignity”, let’s not start calling the mans character into question. Keep it classy.Dave2l said:If bowyer had self respect and dignity.
He should just openly apologise to the players. Don't make excuses. Be honest and just admit he hasn't quite been himself recently.
Then resign.
I'd warm to that.
He would then still be an employable football manager in a year or so.
He's learned a lot and has experienced a lot.
It would work out for both sides.
Really hope he just wakes up and does this.He has a contract to manage the team, provided he continues to do that (I.e. doesn’t down tools) until he is relieved then that is all that is required. If we want him gone then he should be paid off - that’s the nature of contract based roles.11 -
I'm honestly not so sure.0
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