Problem with Bowyer is that he competed at such a higher level than these players and is so much mentally stronger. There is a reason they are playing at this level.
Yeah he has played at a higher level than almost all the squad (although if he ever slagged off Gunter, old Chrissy boy could ask him if they could compare international caps and euro semi finals one night....).
But mentally stronger? After his Wibble-tastic offerings of the last few weeks I wouldn’t be surprised to see him speak after Wigan with his pants on his head and a portion of the north stands finest chips up each nostril
Genuine question. Are there any other managers in the football leagues that out their players publicly? Does any other manager have that style and does it benefit their team.
Just unsure if this is just bowyers style and no-one elses throughout the football leagues or other managers also do the same.
Jose Mourinho. Made it clear his Man Utd team weren't good enough. He's also called out Spurs players recently and spoken ill of the squad in general.
Whilst I can no longer defend Bowyer's position, I'm absolutely delighted that our new owner isn't trigger happy and doesn't bow to pressure from supporters on social media.
It's very easy to come on here and say that he should sack him immediately, with the hefty payout that entails. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe he's not impressed by any of the available alternatives at the moment. We've almost certainly blown any chance of the play offs and need only 6 or 7 points from our least 15 games to be safe from relegation. Why rush? I'd rather sit through a couple more months of this dross if it means getting a better replacement in the summer, rather than rushing to appoint Cowley or Cook just to gain the short term approval of a proportion of our supporters.
Also when the time comes to appoint the next manager, a selling point of CAFC will be that Thomas gives you time to put things right through an extended bad run of results.
Not too many owners will do that these days and I would imagine it can put some of the best candidates off.
Can we please remember Bowyer got his new contract when we were a Championship club and that’s why it’ll be inflated? Even so, I imagine it’s towards the lower end of that Championship spectrum.
Beforehand he worked for 2 years on relative pennies so it’s not like he’s here to bleed the club dry. Can we kill that sentiment before it takes root please?
Genuine question. Are there any other managers in the football leagues that out their players publicly? Does any other manager have that style and does it benefit their team.
Just unsure if this is just bowyers style and no-one elses throughout the football leagues or other managers also do the same.
Jose Mourinho. Made it clear his Man Utd team weren't good enough. He's also called out Spurs players recently and spoken ill of the squad in general.
Yeah he has gone early at spurs but its normally in his 3rd season when he is trying to get the sack. See Chelsea, twice, Madrid and United.
Don't understand why that's such nonsense, tweet above already implies that Bowyer was offered a salary below the average of the Championship when we were in the Championship
After racking my brains, the best theory I can come up with is Thomas agreed to give Bowyer this season with a target of top six. He being a man of principle won't go back on his word.
If that is correct, we probably won't see Bowyer gone until top six is impossible or he walks which I think is unlikely for reasons we have already discussed.
There is a new issue looming though. If we carry on like this, we can't rule out relegation. A few more defeats and this possibility will get larger and larger.
And if Sandgaard is a man of principle, he will start with Bowyer next season.
Not if he hasn't assured him of such. Being a man of principle is not the same thing as being a fool.
Sandgaard said Bowyer was the man for the job, and he wanted promotion in two seasons.
Doesn’t mean he should stick with Bowyer for the second season just because we didn’t expect to go to up in the first.
You have to have the confidence that he’s the right man for the job. The slagging off of players, the recruitment, team selections and tactics are increasingly showing that just he’s not.
Coating players in public is a poor show.
Correct. By all means tear in to players (if justified) but do it behind closed doors. He has no man management skills whatsoever - I can’t for one minute believe that he will put his armaround a player and give them confidence when things go wrong. Managers stood by him as a player and gave him a bit of love. He has played under some good managers and looks like he has learned nothing.
I’m seriously starting to dislike him - a shame after the play off season, but he is losing the plot as the days go by.
I believe he would if they had put in 100% effort. At Bromley Addicks Lyle Taylor said as much. IMO Bow is angry that the players aren't giving their all and just going through the motions. If he stays (and I still hope he will) then that's a major thing to fix.
Problem with Bowyer is that he competed at such a higher level than these players and is so much mentally stronger. There is a reason they are playing at this level.
Yeah he has played at a higher level than almost all the squad (although if he ever slagged off Gunter, old Chrissy boy could ask him if they could compare international caps and euro semi finals one night....).
But mentally stronger? After his Wibble-tastic offerings of the last few weeks I wouldn’t be surprised to see him speak after Wigan with his pants on his head and a portion of the north stands finest chips up each nostril
And Lee could talk about his 397 Premiership appearances to Chris' 25.
If Bowyer was Welsh he would have got quite a few caps for them too.
If he was gonna be sacked before the next match I am guessing it would have happened today, when TS is most frustrated. Since he has not been, looks like he has at least one more match to get a win.
Whilst I can no longer defend Bowyer's position, I'm absolutely delighted that our new owner isn't trigger happy and doesn't bow to pressure from supporters on social media.
It's very easy to come on here and say that he should sack him immediately, with the hefty payout that entails. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe he's not impressed by any of the available alternatives at the moment. We've almost certainly blown any chance of the play offs and need only 6 or 7 points from our least 15 games to be safe from relegation. Why rush? I'd rather sit through a couple more months of this dross if it means getting a better replacement in the summer, rather than rushing to appoint Cowley or Cook just to gain the short term approval of a proportion of our supporters.
Also when the time comes to appoint the next manager, a selling point of CAFC will be that Thomas gives you time to put things right through an extended bad run of results.
Not too many owners will do that these days and I would imagine it can put some of the best candidates off.
Can we please remember Bowyer got his new contract when we were a Championship club and that’s why it’ll be inflated? Even so, I imagine it’s towards the lower end of that Championship spectrum.
Beforehand he worked for 2 years on relative pennies so it’s not like he’s here to bleed the club dry. Can we kill that sentiment before it takes root please?
I’ve been told his original contract with ESI was around £700,000 per year. Reduced to around £400,000 with relegation and a notice period of a year. I can’t verify myself as Tahnoon did not post his contract on the inter web.
Isn’t the amount of money Bowyer or the club can pay a player relevant to his excuses after all we all like to know what the players are on. We effectively pay some of those wages ?
I wonder if TS is looking at the Wigan game on Wednesday as last chance saloon. They are down the bottom of the form table along with us. He might be thinking a win could be the turn of the tide. May be LB's last game.
My opinion of Bowyers management hasn't changed since our promotion season. Even back then with the players we had, we never seemed convincing in our wins and certainly not entertaining to watch, but he was still in his "probational" period and promotion gave me hope (I still stand by my comment a few weeks ago that we limped our way there). A short honeymoon period in the championship before he was found out. Due to all the shit going on off the pitch, he became almost the messiah to most fans and could do no wrong and I think he himself believed the hype. A new steady ownership should have given him a kickstart to greater things, but instead, strip away the excuses of off the field interruptions and his frailties are there for all to see.
Something I read from another poster was that maybe he won't get sacked until the end of the season, as Sandgaard might have someone lined up, but not available until the summer. This might be the case, but I'd still rather see him gone now and get a caretaker in for now
That’s my view too @tangoflash. I’m not being wise after the event but I’ve never been convinced by Bowyer. I admire him sticking with it through all the shyte and his loyalty isn’t in question but his tactics, man management and general deportment for want of a better word have left me cold.
I wonder if TS is looking at the Wigan game on Wednesday as last chance saloon. They are down the bottom of the form table along with us. He might be thinking a win could be the turn of the tide. May be LB's last game.
Can anyone think of a manager who turned a run of form and an unmotivated team like this around? If he is staying, I'd at least like to give myself some hope.
Can't think of many.
Hassenhuttl turned Southampton around. They looked doomed last season, struggled a bit and lost 9-0 at home to Leicester. Many thought he'd be gone within a few weeks but he turned it round. Arteta earlier this season, loads of people were saying he should go, many on the notorious AFTV were saying the same. He seems to have turned it round, now they're just 3 points off a Europa league spot.
Can we please remember Bowyer got his new contract when we were a Championship club and that’s why it’ll be inflated? Even so, I imagine it’s towards the lower end of that Championship spectrum.
Beforehand he worked for 2 years on relative pennies so it’s not like he’s here to bleed the club dry. Can we kill that sentiment before it takes root please?
Personally think it's entirely relevant. For all the 'he stood by us, let's return the loyalty', it's worth remembering that he's been paid handsomely for it.
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But mentally stronger? After his Wibble-tastic offerings of the last few weeks I wouldn’t be surprised to see him speak after Wigan with his pants on his head and a portion of the north stands finest chips up each nostril
I believe he would if they had put in 100% effort. At Bromley Addicks Lyle Taylor said as much. IMO Bow is angry that the players aren't giving their all and just going through the motions. If he stays (and I still hope he will) then that's a major thing to fix.
If Bowyer was Welsh he would have got quite a few caps for them too.
Agree 100%
Eg £1.5m is roughly what he'd have to pay if Bowyer is on something like £700k - £750k with two years left
pedant out. 😃
Hassenhuttl turned Southampton around. They looked doomed last season, struggled a bit and lost 9-0 at home to Leicester. Many thought he'd be gone within a few weeks but he turned it round.
Arteta earlier this season, loads of people were saying he should go, many on the notorious AFTV were saying the same. He seems to have turned it round, now they're just 3 points off a Europa league spot.
A pretty depressing prospect with the way things are going
Although doesnt stop him from putting Jason Euell in temporary charge, unless its not a route he wants to go down