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Has Bowyer lost it?
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I read the Varney article and listened to Bowyers post match interview on Charlton Live last night and the discussion after by the pundits, which I thought were well balanced and in favour of Bowyer remaining.
I'm afraid when Bowyers calm, it's impossible not to like the guy and I do. He perhaps needs to brush up on his diplomacy but then again......
I think there are so many factors at the moment contributing to the performances, which have been discussed to death and for what it's worth, I really don't think it's that easy to identify one major factor without having to consider the rest of them as contributing.
I think after this window and hopefully with some reinforcements we will at least see what he can do when he has a bigger pot to pick from.
I'm inclined to think he should stay but like a lot of you guys the performances are not good.
Having said that, we do tend to overreact to defeats/victories etc,.!
Maybe we should all do, what some are suggesting Bowyer should do, and that's count to a 1000 before ranting.5 -
centre midfield is williams favoured position and where he played at the satrt of last season in the championship when we were playing well - clearly you and others have been brainwashed by the negativity of our manager and the defensive midfielder gangRedrobo said:Last week everyone was moaning at Bowyer for not starting Williams. But looking at the preview for tomorrow night, no one has him in their team, (execpt doucher who has him playing in centre midfield
Are we now saying Bowyer was right not to start him? Or has Bows ruined his confidence by playing a kid who beats a player and then has a shot at goal?
Maddison was also a favourite to start. How pathetic was his performance? I can’t believe that some are suggesting that jumping out of a tackle like he did was in someway understandable. He should have won that tackle. No wonder no other club wanted him - even though he was a free.
I see that some are suggesting that this is the team Bows wanted because he signed them. You cannot be serious. I keep asking which of OUR players would you like to see starting in the Championship if we get there. No one has answered because at best there is a couple who may make the squad. This is the first season where we have had to make up the squad with players who’s suitability was that they were available for nothing. Not because they fitted a plan and had the character we wanted. TS changed that, but unfortunately not early enough.
To get into the playoffs we need at least two more players in and our centre halves back playing. We also need some stability at the club. Chucking the management team out in January would be very foolish IMO.Oh, and for those that are suggesting Jacko to replace him - he is the defence coach!3 -
Fascinating thread. My question is : Is Lee Bowyer basically a defensive manager or does he feel he hasn’t got the personnel to play on the front foot. I think it’s an important question because we all know what Thomas Sandgaard wants. Now all the time results are going your way you might well overlook the way they are achieved but seeing negative football which is what we’ve had for a while and having poor outcome might eventually lead to a point of owner, manager discussion?1
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I don't think at the moment we have the personnel but with the arrival of Millar and Schwartz that may change.ShootersHillGuru said:Fascinating thread. My question is : Is Lee Bowyer basically a defensive manager or does he feel he hasn’t got the personnel to play on the front foot. I think it’s an important question because we all know what Thomas Sandgaard wants. Now all the time results are going your way you might well overlook the way they are achieved but seeing negative football which is what we’ve had for a while and having poor outcome might eventually lead to a point of owner, manager discussion?1 -
That may be so. But the follow up question to that would then be that if he DOES feel that way, is he correct?ShootersHillGuru said:Fascinating thread. My question is : Is Lee Bowyer basically a defensive manager or does he feel he hasn’t got the personnel to play on the front foot. I think it’s an important question because we all know what Thomas Sandgaard wants. Now all the time results are going your way you might well overlook the way they are achieved but seeing negative football which is what we’ve had for a while and having poor outcome might eventually lead to a point of owner, manager discussion?
The likes of Williams and Maddison are certainly more likely to drive a team forward and attack, at the cost of defensive play. Certainly signing two forwards even with our first choice CB pairing injured speaks volumes of Bowyer's views I feel.
Famewo coming back from injury and Inniss hopefully not far behind, combined with the aforementioned signings, gives me hope that perhaps Bowyer can change his/the team's mentality. This could be a very important month for him personally and the club as a whole.3 -
Indeed.roseandcrown said:
behave. That is just ridiculous and re-writing history.noisy_north_upper said:If Bauer and Pratley hadn't scored lucky goals in League One last time Bowyer would already be gone because we wouldn't have gone up with the team we had the season after as Duch was still owner. You can tell Bowyer has never managed before, no shape, negative tactics from the start, playing Pearce (worst defender and captain I've ever seen at this club), all creative players on the bench and blaming everyone but himself. Never really rated Bowyer as a manager and now we are playing the worst football I've seen since before the Yann era.
The end of 2018/19 we was playing some off the best football for may years and was in great form. We went up and deserved it BECAUSE of Bowyer and his tactics.
And frankly we should have gone up in retrospect with our eyes closed. Bowyer had a squad that any other league one manager would have killed for:
Bauer, Aribo, Cullen, Taylor, Grant, Bielik, Williams, Pratley, Djiksteel, Philips.
So whilst he did well and the job we needed to be done - it was the bare minimum one would expect with those players.
likewise compare the Lincoln squad to our squad now. Doesn’t make great reading.1 -
He could have played 433 before he signed Millar. Williams/Washington on the left, Chuks/Bogle in the middle and Maddison/Smyth on the rightShootersHillGuru said:Fascinating thread. My question is : Is Lee Bowyer basically a defensive manager or does he feel he hasn’t got the personnel to play on the front foot. I think it’s an important question because we all know what Thomas Sandgaard wants. Now all the time results are going your way you might well overlook the way they are achieved but seeing negative football which is what we’ve had for a while and having poor outcome might eventually lead to a point of owner, manager discussion?
A midfield 3 of JFC (left), Watson (before his injury) and Morgan (right)
Hard to see that being any worse than the lopsided formations against Plymouth and Hull, and Maddison in his favoured position, cutting in from the right
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Where Bowyer messed up was he should have brought Deji back as soon as he was fit and moved pratley back into the holding roll. That way it would have given the weekend midfield without shinnie that extra protection that was needed. His persistence to play Pratley at the back and Watson in midfield coupled in with Matthews playing left back and Matesen right wing completely unbalanced us. Now we have no defensive midfielder and with the likes of JFC, Gilbey and Morgan left we’re going to get run all over the place.Also not forgetting he should have played Williams or Maddison if not both when we had Pratley available to play the holding roll.7
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There is a massive gap between our defence and (lone)striker as all of the midfielders run back into defence. Hence why we keep getting penned in an concede 2 goals every match3
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We have two of the better right backs in the division. I know, we'll play one at centre back, leave one on the bench and stick a striker at right wing back.
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Gunter is fucking dreadful for me.1
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I genuinely think he’s got 45 minutes to save his job. It wouldn’t be unreasonable, TS would get, I’d guess, a majority support from fans, and he will know or at least be advised that it’s got to be now if you want to save the season.
You can shout injuries till you’re blue but look at this, this at third tier level for Charlton Athletic Football Club, is not acceptable.MK Dons H (16th) L
Shrewsbury A (17th) D
Wimbledon H (21st) W
Swindon A (22nd) D
Plymouth H (15th) D
Hull A (2nd) L
Accrington H (6th) L
Rochdale H (18th) L
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You saw Matthews play? He has no fitness or confidence. You want an attacking side... this is it. It’s a mistake to have played him there but I don’t know what else you want? Hindsight is wonderfulalicwkd said:We have two of the better right backs in the division. I know, we'll play one at centre back, leave one on the bench and stick a striker at right wing back.1 -
He seems too have lost it.0
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Looked good when he first came in, after a (semi) prestigious career he’s been Charltonised fairly quickly.Charltonparklane said:Gunter is fucking dreadful for me.0 -
After Accrington Stanley on Friday I was expecting quite a reaction and am shocked by what I’m witnessing. To crash and burn in even a worse fashion definitely means that there’s something dreadfully wrong. We’ve not gone back to basics a tried to grind out a result. We’re just all over the place again. Next forty five mins will be very interesting. I can envisage some big falling outs in the dressing room.1
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Don't know if it means anything but looking at sandgarrds twitter likes this evening, he has liked alot of tweets regarding tough talks to be had, losing to Rochdale being unnaceptable and bowyer losing the dressing room etc.
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£6K a week allegedly, he's rubbishse9addick said:
Looked good when he first came in, after a (semi) prestigious career he’s been Charltonised fairly quickly.Charltonparklane said:Gunter is fucking dreadful for me.0 -
Surely not that’s 2 or 3 times the average salary under the wage cap?BigRedEvil said:
£6K a week allegedly, he's rubbishse9addick said:
Looked good when he first came in, after a (semi) prestigious career he’s been Charltonised fairly quickly.Charltonparklane said:Gunter is fucking dreadful for me.0 - Sponsored links:
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Good cross though lol0
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Worth every penny!0
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That is pretty damning, I appreciate we've had injury problems at the back but one win in 8, if it happens (and with no sign of it turning around) is not good enough.BR7_addick said:I genuinely think he’s got 45 minutes to save his job. It wouldn’t be unreasonable, TS would get, I’d guess, a majority support from fans, and he will know or at least be advised that it’s got to be now if you want to save the season.
You can shout injuries till you’re blue but look at this, this at third tier level for Charlton Athletic Football Club, is not acceptable.MK Dons H (16th) L
Shrewsbury A (17th) D
Wimbledon H (21st) W
Swindon A (22nd) D
Plymouth H (15th) D
Hull A (2nd) L
Accrington H (6th) L
Rochdale H (18th) L
It's so odd that Lee did so well in this league during tough times under RD last time and now is struggling when things should be looking up.0 -
Bowyer in7
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Why because we pulled it back in the 2nd half the draw against a team in the relegation zone.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Bowyer in
Dont get me wrong it was a fantastic comeback but we should never have been in the position to need a comeback, and we still only managed a point.
Just papered over the cracks for me, we all know come Saturday, someone will be playing out of position again and it likely will cost us a goal3 -
Bowyer almost lost us that game.
Nobody can argue with that.
Smyth RB? what was he thinking10 -
A triumphant 4-4 draw at home against a strong Rochdale side is a resounding answer to the Bowyer out boo boys. Mid table safety beckons!4
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Coming back makes it look much better than the reality. A draw at home to Rochdale isn’t good enough.10
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So much for Bowyer's loyalty to the club.
Football fans are so fickle.13 -
Awful awful tactics first half.....What was LB thinking with that lineup.....1
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