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Has Bowyer lost it?
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Ive not read the thread in its entirety, but for me, trust is a two way thing and we place far too much emphasis on whether the Manager has lost the dressing room. In this instance, the problem seems to have been staring at us for a while. The team has lost the Manager.
The consistent theme for weeks from Bowyer is that this team is too passive. Too many people who were without a club and given a chance going through the motion and showing no desire. I agree with him.
His comments to the media post game were disgraceful and he'll have to own them.
But we've seen how good Bowyer sides can be, and at the very minimum, we know Lee would never send a team out to not compete - even when the odds have been against us.
Gillingham stands out as another dreadful performance to compete with Fridays and the players need to look at themselves and ask if they're really giving everything as much as Lee does.0 -
The team cannot lose the manager. The clue is in the word manager. The manager's job is to get the most he can out of the team. By all means, change the team as and when it is possible, but you have to manage what you have.2
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ForeverAddickted said:
I take the argument that we basically just had to sign whoever was available right before the transfer window, but players like Chris Gunter etc are players most League One teams which they could afford to add to their squad who have basically missed out on Championship football because of teams having to cut costs.
I don't think we can really complain with the standard of player which was available, and if anything it probably was an advantage having that extra money available at that time when players were willing to accept less wage and no team had anything to spend.
The more modern example of "What about Fergie" which really isn't relevant to todays football, is that Chelsea seem to be doing fine just having 2/3 year spurts of managers to help freshen up their team and squad0 -
noisy_north_upper said:
Oh be real, too many fake people on this site. It's league one jesus christ, the football level is shocking, you don't have to play that well to get out of it yet we look like a sunday league team on Friday night. Not sure whether the pitch is too big for league one players or we simply have no shape at all but we don't sustain attacks due to this. Not denying we played some nice football last time in league one mainly because of Beilek, Cullen and Aribo, creative players! If you see my statement I said, 'now we are playing the worst football I've seen since before the Yann era.' because we have nothing in midfield due to Bowyer playing JFC, Gilbey, Watson (who offer nothing going forward and you could even say in defense seeing how we're conceding 2 a game atm) instead of Maddison and Williams who might be able to pick a lock in a defense. I don't get how people can defend wanting to go up and then come straight back down again or be happy with a bottom half finish in the Championship like cmon seriously sometimes people need to take their emotion out of this and look at it for what it is. We have the backing of money now so get an experienced man in who can take us to the next level and further, you gotta be ruthless in this game.roseandcrown said:
behave. That is just ridiculous and re-writing history.noisy_north_upper said:If Bauer and Pratley hadn't scored lucky goals in League One last time Bowyer would already be gone because we wouldn't have gone up with the team we had the season after as Duch was still owner. You can tell Bowyer has never managed before, no shape, negative tactics from the start, playing Pearce (worst defender and captain I've ever seen at this club), all creative players on the bench and blaming everyone but himself. Never really rated Bowyer as a manager and now we are playing the worst football I've seen since before the Yann era.
The end of 2018/19 we was playing some off the best football for may years and was in great form. We went up and deserved it BECAUSE of Bowyer and his tactics.
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northstandsteve said:Maddison is a classic example of a player suited by a certain club, Peterborough scored loads of goals conceded just as many and never made the play off's, he then went to a team in free fall last season and didn't get a game , I wonder why, he play's in different coloured boots made by two different manufcturers in league fucking two, who the fuck does he think he is, I was never wanking over him when we signed him.We all know the type of player Bowyer signs and this was never going to be a match made in heaven I get the feeling it was a desperation signing whilst trying to form form some kind of squad against the clock.There is now way he will be sacked before October at the earliest whether he wals is another matter but I believe he has earned the right to a full summer window with his hands tied behind his back ( although salary cap is a exception). Don't forget when Powell came in we were in the play off positions and then went into complete free fall that season, he was given the summer to have a complete clearout. He want's to play football from the back, Innes and Famewo can do this without them the other centre halves can't , he knows how he wants to play he now has to find the players that can play that way.
With respect, Bowyer tried to sign Maddison previously as well. Personally if they come out and write this season off, Bowyer holds up his hands and says we are going to write this season off, have a clear out and re build completely coz things have gone tits for the last year, i'd go with it - if he continues to try and defend what he has been doing, then its a no from me - lets hope that interview on Friday is a watershed moment coz it needs to be
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Lucky goals?? I would call sunderlands goal lucky, all other goals scored and conceded on the play offs were typical footballing goals. Accrington’s first goal could fall into the lucky bracket but Bauer’s!!!! Please let me know what you e been drinking today because I want somenoisy_north_upper said:If Bauer and Pratley hadn't scored lucky goals in League One last time Bowyer would already be gone because we wouldn't have gone up with the team we had the season after as Duch was still owner. You can tell Bowyer has never managed before, no shape, negative tactics from the start, playing Pearce (worst defender and captain I've ever seen at this club), all creative players on the bench and blaming everyone but himself. Never really rated Bowyer as a manager and now we are playing the worst football I've seen since before the Yann era.6 -
Many goals have an element of luck to them. If you buy enough tickets you have more chance of winning the raffle.0
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I think there is a strong possibility that Maddison got the knock that led to his injury before he ducked out of the challenge when you review the game. This was not picked up by Bowyer at the time, but shows absolutely why he was wrong to shoot his mouth off post match.roseandcrown said:ShootersHillGuru said:When Bowyer first took charge I was absolutely shocked by how calm and measured, respectful and polite he was whenever interviewed. Perhaps surprised would be a better way of describing it. He was all about “the journey” and how he was proud of his players and they always gave everything. That Lee Bowyer seems to have vanished and we now have what I originally expected. A bit of a hot head and someone who speaks and acts before he perhaps should. Something has definitely changed.
Exactly this. Two examples of changes of late
1) Bowyer many times used to say how he leant from Venables I think that it is no use having a go at players straight after the game when tensions are high and that its best to go through everything Monday once the dust has settled and emotions are not high.
2) I remember a Lyle Taylor interview/pod cast saying that Lee Bowyer was a great man manager the total opposite to what people think. Said he was not a massive shouter was calm but got his point across but honest. Said he could only re-call once he had lost it.
So what has changed so drastically to get to the point we are at now? I am assuming it is considerable and maybe would make sense to why he has changed.
I am still in the Bowyer in camp he deserves loyalty back that he has shown us but he cant afford any more comments like what we see Friday regarding MM injury.
I think this will all boil down does TS know the details and side with Bowyer maybe being prepared to write this season off to get rid of the bad apple or apples in the summer with Bowyer given the chance to have a clear summer without his hands tied behind his back to allow a fresh recruitment with players that can and will do as Bowyer wants.1 -
I noticed this too. There was a clash of feet when he was whipping a ball in. We know he whips it in at pace. He was injured from then and carried on. Some would call that brave but......MuttleyCAFC said:
I think there is a strong possibility that Maddison got the knock that led to his injury before he ducked out of the challenge when you review the game. This was not picked up by Bowyer at the time, but shows absolutely why he was wrong to shoot his mouth off post match.roseandcrown said:ShootersHillGuru said:When Bowyer first took charge I was absolutely shocked by how calm and measured, respectful and polite he was whenever interviewed. Perhaps surprised would be a better way of describing it. He was all about “the journey” and how he was proud of his players and they always gave everything. That Lee Bowyer seems to have vanished and we now have what I originally expected. A bit of a hot head and someone who speaks and acts before he perhaps should. Something has definitely changed.
Exactly this. Two examples of changes of late
1) Bowyer many times used to say how he leant from Venables I think that it is no use having a go at players straight after the game when tensions are high and that its best to go through everything Monday once the dust has settled and emotions are not high.
2) I remember a Lyle Taylor interview/pod cast saying that Lee Bowyer was a great man manager the total opposite to what people think. Said he was not a massive shouter was calm but got his point across but honest. Said he could only re-call once he had lost it.
So what has changed so drastically to get to the point we are at now? I am assuming it is considerable and maybe would make sense to why he has changed.
I am still in the Bowyer in camp he deserves loyalty back that he has shown us but he cant afford any more comments like what we see Friday regarding MM injury.
I think this will all boil down does TS know the details and side with Bowyer maybe being prepared to write this season off to get rid of the bad apple or apples in the summer with Bowyer given the chance to have a clear summer without his hands tied behind his back to allow a fresh recruitment with players that can and will do as Bowyer wants.0 -
If the knock was that bad he should've gone down with it. It's one of the first things you are told as a young pro. He didn't, probably tried to run it off and didn't do himself any favours. Only got himself to blame for what followed.mendonca said:
I noticed this too. There was a clash of feet when he was whipping a ball in. We know he whips it in at pace. He was injured from then and carried on. Some would call that brave but......MuttleyCAFC said:
I think there is a strong possibility that Maddison got the knock that led to his injury before he ducked out of the challenge when you review the game. This was not picked up by Bowyer at the time, but shows absolutely why he was wrong to shoot his mouth off post match.roseandcrown said:ShootersHillGuru said:When Bowyer first took charge I was absolutely shocked by how calm and measured, respectful and polite he was whenever interviewed. Perhaps surprised would be a better way of describing it. He was all about “the journey” and how he was proud of his players and they always gave everything. That Lee Bowyer seems to have vanished and we now have what I originally expected. A bit of a hot head and someone who speaks and acts before he perhaps should. Something has definitely changed.
Exactly this. Two examples of changes of late
1) Bowyer many times used to say how he leant from Venables I think that it is no use having a go at players straight after the game when tensions are high and that its best to go through everything Monday once the dust has settled and emotions are not high.
2) I remember a Lyle Taylor interview/pod cast saying that Lee Bowyer was a great man manager the total opposite to what people think. Said he was not a massive shouter was calm but got his point across but honest. Said he could only re-call once he had lost it.
So what has changed so drastically to get to the point we are at now? I am assuming it is considerable and maybe would make sense to why he has changed.
I am still in the Bowyer in camp he deserves loyalty back that he has shown us but he cant afford any more comments like what we see Friday regarding MM injury.
I think this will all boil down does TS know the details and side with Bowyer maybe being prepared to write this season off to get rid of the bad apple or apples in the summer with Bowyer given the chance to have a clear summer without his hands tied behind his back to allow a fresh recruitment with players that can and will do as Bowyer wants.0 - Sponsored links:
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Very good footballers who go into coaching often have problems getting things across to lesser players. I’ll cite Glen Hoddle. He could do things even when he was a manager that players he was coaching couldn’t do. Bowyers skill set wasn’t the same as Hoddles but I doubt Bowyer pulled out of a tackle anytime in his career. There is only so much as a coach you can impart to players who are never going to be as good as you were.5
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ShootersHillGuru said:Very good footballers who go into coaching often have problems getting things across to lesser players. I’ll cite Glen Hoddle. He could do things even when he was a manager that players he was coaching couldn’t do. Bowyers skill set wasn’t the same as Hoddles but I doubt Bowyer pulled out of a tackle anytime in his career. There is only so much as a coach you can impart to players who are never going to be as good as you were.I don’t know if it’s lessor players necessarily (although clearly none of our players are as good as Bowyer was). I think Bowyer has a massive issue with players that aren’t the same sort of player that he was. It’s often the pacy, creative and/or lightweight types that get called out by Bowyer for not throwing themselves into challenges or tracking back. In reality they don’t do those things because they have a different skill set, Bowyer doesn’t seem to be able to comprehend that.2
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And it's L1se9addick said:ShootersHillGuru said:Very good footballers who go into coaching often have problems getting things across to lesser players. I’ll cite Glen Hoddle. He could do things even when he was a manager that players he was coaching couldn’t do. Bowyers skill set wasn’t the same as Hoddles but I doubt Bowyer pulled out of a tackle anytime in his career. There is only so much as a coach you can impart to players who are never going to be as good as you were.I don’t know if it’s lessor players necessarily (although clearly none of our players are as good as Bowyer was). I think Bowyer has a massive issue with players that aren’t the same sort of player that he was. It’s often the pacy, creative and/or lightweight types that get called out by Bowyer for not throwing themselves into challenges or tracking back. In reality they don’t do those things because they have a different skill set, Bowyer doesn’t seem to be able to comprehend that.
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Ok if you want to fixate on that then cool but a lead which ended in a penalty shout out and a 94th minute winner at Wembley, I can safely say our luck was in, you need luck in these situations in which over the season yes we probably deserved as you’re right we did play good football. My problem is what has Bowyer done since but go backwards?roseandcrown said:noisy_north_upper said:
Oh be real, too many fake people on this site. It's league one jesus christ, the football level is shocking, you don't have to play that well to get out of it yet we look like a sunday league team on Friday night. Not sure whether the pitch is too big for league one players or we simply have no shape at all but we don't sustain attacks due to this. Not denying we played some nice football last time in league one mainly because of Beilek, Cullen and Aribo, creative players! If you see my statement I said, 'now we are playing the worst football I've seen since before the Yann era.' because we have nothing in midfield due to Bowyer playing JFC, Gilbey, Watson (who offer nothing going forward and you could even say in defense seeing how we're conceding 2 a game atm) instead of Maddison and Williams who might be able to pick a lock in a defense. I don't get how people can defend wanting to go up and then come straight back down again or be happy with a bottom half finish in the Championship like cmon seriously sometimes people need to take their emotion out of this and look at it for what it is. We have the backing of money now so get an experienced man in who can take us to the next level and further, you gotta be ruthless in this game.roseandcrown said:
behave. That is just ridiculous and re-writing history.noisy_north_upper said:If Bauer and Pratley hadn't scored lucky goals in League One last time Bowyer would already be gone because we wouldn't have gone up with the team we had the season after as Duch was still owner. You can tell Bowyer has never managed before, no shape, negative tactics from the start, playing Pearce (worst defender and captain I've ever seen at this club), all creative players on the bench and blaming everyone but himself. Never really rated Bowyer as a manager and now we are playing the worst football I've seen since before the Yann era.
The end of 2018/19 we was playing some off the best football for may years and was in great form. We went up and deserved it BECAUSE of Bowyer and his tactics.
Not sure how my post makes me fake but never mind. You indicated from your post that we only went up because of 2 lucky goals, this is what I replied to and is plainly not true something you backed up in the next post stating we played good football.
You are right last time we had Beilek, Cullen and Aribo all better players than what we have now in them positions but more importantly they worked very hard and earned the right to play. This is something we are not doing at the moment regardless of who is playing we are losing the battles and if you do that you will not win more games than you lose. To simply say its league one its not that hard is naive and arrogant. Look at Friday night one team played as a team and worked hard one did not. This is the problem and something Bowyer or a new manager and the players need to fix as without that nothing will change.How is it naive at all when Chrissy Powell stormed the league by 12 points in his first full season? The right players, system, attitude, plan A, B, C all worked out before the season and what’s most important before kick off. Bowyer has one plan, hope to get to half time at 0-0 and then maybe nick one in the second half by that time we’re already normally 1 or 2 down. He doesn’t respect the qualities of the opponents, doesn’t differ his tactics game by game depending on the type of team he’s up against. We have no quality in midfield and a loose cannon in Pearce at the back, he isolates all strikers, he’s made Maatsen go backwards by playing him in literally every position across the pitch, I could go on but I cba!I hope I can be proved wrong and we start winning but Bowyer has simply lost it tbh!0 -
I always think that when someone tries to smash one into the top corner from 30 yards in L1 - if you could do that you wouldn’t be in the third tier!killerandflash said:
And it's L1se9addick said:ShootersHillGuru said:Very good footballers who go into coaching often have problems getting things across to lesser players. I’ll cite Glen Hoddle. He could do things even when he was a manager that players he was coaching couldn’t do. Bowyers skill set wasn’t the same as Hoddles but I doubt Bowyer pulled out of a tackle anytime in his career. There is only so much as a coach you can impart to players who are never going to be as good as you were.I don’t know if it’s lessor players necessarily (although clearly none of our players are as good as Bowyer was). I think Bowyer has a massive issue with players that aren’t the same sort of player that he was. It’s often the pacy, creative and/or lightweight types that get called out by Bowyer for not throwing themselves into challenges or tracking back. In reality they don’t do those things because they have a different skill set, Bowyer doesn’t seem to be able to comprehend that.
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Check out the goal the Swindon fella scored on Saturday - Twine I think, that was an absolute worldie for league One... sign him up!se9addick said:
I always think that when someone tries to smash one into the top corner from 30 yards in L1 - if you could do that you wouldn’t be in the third tier!killerandflash said:
And it's L1se9addick said:ShootersHillGuru said:Very good footballers who go into coaching often have problems getting things across to lesser players. I’ll cite Glen Hoddle. He could do things even when he was a manager that players he was coaching couldn’t do. Bowyers skill set wasn’t the same as Hoddles but I doubt Bowyer pulled out of a tackle anytime in his career. There is only so much as a coach you can impart to players who are never going to be as good as you were.I don’t know if it’s lessor players necessarily (although clearly none of our players are as good as Bowyer was). I think Bowyer has a massive issue with players that aren’t the same sort of player that he was. It’s often the pacy, creative and/or lightweight types that get called out by Bowyer for not throwing themselves into challenges or tracking back. In reality they don’t do those things because they have a different skill set, Bowyer doesn’t seem to be able to comprehend that.
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Didn't Ricky Holmes stick a few away in the top bins?se9addick said:
I always think that when someone tries to smash one into the top corner from 30 yards in L1 - if you could do that you wouldn’t be in the third tier!killerandflash said:
And it's L1se9addick said:ShootersHillGuru said:Very good footballers who go into coaching often have problems getting things across to lesser players. I’ll cite Glen Hoddle. He could do things even when he was a manager that players he was coaching couldn’t do. Bowyers skill set wasn’t the same as Hoddles but I doubt Bowyer pulled out of a tackle anytime in his career. There is only so much as a coach you can impart to players who are never going to be as good as you were.I don’t know if it’s lessor players necessarily (although clearly none of our players are as good as Bowyer was). I think Bowyer has a massive issue with players that aren’t the same sort of player that he was. It’s often the pacy, creative and/or lightweight types that get called out by Bowyer for not throwing themselves into challenges or tracking back. In reality they don’t do those things because they have a different skill set, Bowyer doesn’t seem to be able to comprehend that.
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Or when you get players who CAN do that they're eitherse9addick said:
I always think that when someone tries to smash one into the top corner from 30 yards in L1 - if you could do that you wouldn’t be in the third tier!killerandflash said:
And it's L1se9addick said:ShootersHillGuru said:Very good footballers who go into coaching often have problems getting things across to lesser players. I’ll cite Glen Hoddle. He could do things even when he was a manager that players he was coaching couldn’t do. Bowyers skill set wasn’t the same as Hoddles but I doubt Bowyer pulled out of a tackle anytime in his career. There is only so much as a coach you can impart to players who are never going to be as good as you were.I don’t know if it’s lessor players necessarily (although clearly none of our players are as good as Bowyer was). I think Bowyer has a massive issue with players that aren’t the same sort of player that he was. It’s often the pacy, creative and/or lightweight types that get called out by Bowyer for not throwing themselves into challenges or tracking back. In reality they don’t do those things because they have a different skill set, Bowyer doesn’t seem to be able to comprehend that.
If players were super skilful and creative, hard working and great defensively, they wouldn't be in L1
a) too good for the league
b) have other flaws in their game, e.g. they might be injury prone, "their legs have gone", defensively poor, a bit "unstable" etc
Wes Hoolahan at 38 was running the game for Cambridge on Saturday. He's still got the class and vision, but clearly can't be expected to do the physical stuff
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noisy_north_upper said:
Ok if you want to fixate on that then cool but a lead which ended in a penalty shout out and a 94th minute winner at Wembley, I can safely say our luck was in, you need luck in these situations in which over the season yes we probably deserved as you’re right we did play good football. My problem is what has Bowyer done since but go backwards?roseandcrown said:noisy_north_upper said:
Oh be real, too many fake people on this site. It's league one jesus christ, the football level is shocking, you don't have to play that well to get out of it yet we look like a sunday league team on Friday night. Not sure whether the pitch is too big for league one players or we simply have no shape at all but we don't sustain attacks due to this. Not denying we played some nice football last time in league one mainly because of Beilek, Cullen and Aribo, creative players! If you see my statement I said, 'now we are playing the worst football I've seen since before the Yann era.' because we have nothing in midfield due to Bowyer playing JFC, Gilbey, Watson (who offer nothing going forward and you could even say in defense seeing how we're conceding 2 a game atm) instead of Maddison and Williams who might be able to pick a lock in a defense. I don't get how people can defend wanting to go up and then come straight back down again or be happy with a bottom half finish in the Championship like cmon seriously sometimes people need to take their emotion out of this and look at it for what it is. We have the backing of money now so get an experienced man in who can take us to the next level and further, you gotta be ruthless in this game.roseandcrown said:
behave. That is just ridiculous and re-writing history.noisy_north_upper said:If Bauer and Pratley hadn't scored lucky goals in League One last time Bowyer would already be gone because we wouldn't have gone up with the team we had the season after as Duch was still owner. You can tell Bowyer has never managed before, no shape, negative tactics from the start, playing Pearce (worst defender and captain I've ever seen at this club), all creative players on the bench and blaming everyone but himself. Never really rated Bowyer as a manager and now we are playing the worst football I've seen since before the Yann era.
The end of 2018/19 we was playing some off the best football for may years and was in great form. We went up and deserved it BECAUSE of Bowyer and his tactics.
Not sure how my post makes me fake but never mind. You indicated from your post that we only went up because of 2 lucky goals, this is what I replied to and is plainly not true something you backed up in the next post stating we played good football.
You are right last time we had Beilek, Cullen and Aribo all better players than what we have now in them positions but more importantly they worked very hard and earned the right to play. This is something we are not doing at the moment regardless of who is playing we are losing the battles and if you do that you will not win more games than you lose. To simply say its league one its not that hard is naive and arrogant. Look at Friday night one team played as a team and worked hard one did not. This is the problem and something Bowyer or a new manager and the players need to fix as without that nothing will change.How is it naive at all when Chrissy Powell stormed the league by 12 points in his first full season? The right players, system, attitude, plan A, B, C all worked out before the season and what’s most important before kick off. Bowyer has one plan, hope to get to half time at 0-0 and then maybe nick one in the second half by that time we’re already normally 1 or 2 down. He doesn’t respect the qualities of the opponents, doesn’t differ his tactics game by game depending on the type of team he’s up against. We have no quality in midfield and a loose cannon in Pearce at the back, he isolates all strikers, he’s made Maatsen go backwards by playing him in literally every position across the pitch, I could go on but I cba!I hope I can be proved wrong and we start winning but Bowyer has simply lost it tbh!
Did Chris Powell team play well that year?
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Ok don't take too much out of this and I don't need to be made aware that a job in retail or what have you isn't the same as football but there are similarities, so I will use some as an example.MuttleyCAFC said:The team cannot lose the manager. The clue is in the word manager. The manager's job is to get the most he can out of the team. By all means, change the team as and when it is possible, but you have to manage what you have.
When I was younger, it did not matter who was duty manager at my first retail jobs I was the worst worker ever, I would do the absolute bare minimum to get by as I knew the job wasn't my final destination or I knew I had a new job lined up or some days I just didn't feel up to it. I've been useless for good and bad managers, it would have been unfair to critique them on their management skills as I was very good at making easy work look hard/getting away with being a lazy sod.
I've also been on the other side where I've managed shops in the past and had people turn up late, leave work early, not do what I've told them despite me making it clear what I want done. I tried multiple ways to manage, I tried being stern, nice, in-between, some of my workers just wouldn't get the hang of it.
Obviously I am not proud of my early work career ethic but it happened and the point is sometimes, no matter how good you are at doing something, it may not click.
Now we can say you sack those employees/discipline them or find a new manager etc but it isn't that simple.
I think people sometimes forget that footballers/managers are humans and despite the money will have their own stuff going on outside the game, there could be a number of reasons why our manager or team aren't performing/ticking. It really is not as simple as pinning it on the manger because there are too many variables and factors.5 - Sponsored links:
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Stayed out of this one till now.
Has he found it yet?
And... what did he lose?2 -
I’ve not heard anyone say that thoughForeverAddickted said:4 -
Yeah, but he's a Millwall fan now. @JamesSeed in reverseRedChaser said:
And there you have it from no other than Peter Varney someone who TS respects. Well said that man...............get behind Bowyer! 👏🏻.ForeverAddickted said:
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TS specifically stated that he wanted to build a team that play flowing attractive football. That may not be possible in League One and Bowyers hard work philosophy may end up getting us out of this league, however his public outing of Williams and Maddison will not go unnoticed in football. If/When we end up getting promoted and we can bring in better players, will Bowyers philosophy change to match Sangaards? If it does, will fair players want to come and play under a manager that digs out his players to the media for pulling out a tackle?
LB is well in credit with me still, as many have said themselves. However, i wholeheartedly disagree with his recent public criticism of players and he needs to bite his tongue sometimes.2 -
Wonder if its comments seen on Social Media, strange breed on there at timescafcsinger said:
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I’ve seen a couple of comments saying he wasn’t necessarily loyal, that he was linked to jobs but never offered one.ForeverAddickted said:
Wonder if its comments seen on Social Media, strange breed on there at timescafcsinger said:
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I definitely heard that he got offered a good job and turned it down to stay with us.cafcfan1990 said:
I’ve seen a couple of comments saying he wasn’t necessarily loyal, that he was linked to jobs but never offered one.ForeverAddickted said:
Wonder if its comments seen on Social Media, strange breed on there at timescafcsinger said:
I’ve not heard anyone say that thoughForeverAddickted said:
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I’m not sure whether he did or not to be honest. Either way what I said wasn’t my feelings, just what I’ve seen. Personally I think being linked with a more lucrative job and not pursuing it is loyalty anyway, regardless of being offered one.Redrobo said:
I definitely heard that he got offered a good job and turned it down to stay with us.cafcfan1990 said:
I’ve seen a couple of comments saying he wasn’t necessarily loyal, that he was linked to jobs but never offered one.ForeverAddickted said:
Wonder if its comments seen on Social Media, strange breed on there at timescafcsinger said:
I’ve not heard anyone say that thoughForeverAddickted said:
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6 games to get us right back on track.
In my predictions thread I have:
Rochdale D
Bristol R D (Postponed fixture I had as a loss)
Peterborough L
Swindon W
MK D
Portsmouth W
Do better than that 9 from 18 and I'll keep the faith a bit longer. Fail to get at least that and I'll be seriously questioning who is available.0
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