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Charlton Athletic v Sunderland | Saturday 3rd October | Post Match Thread

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  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,591
    edited October 2020
    I thought we did ok considering 4-5 of those players will not be on the starting 11 soon I’m sure. 

    I thought levitt did well in bits needs to work on when a short easy pass is needed but I would rather have him than JFC.  Most on here don’t agree judging by comments so I must be wrong or easily pleased. 

    Oz was poor again and Williams no better when he come on. 

    Alfie was poor and did not offer much or look like creating anything. 

    Thought aneke despite been a bit rusty made a difference and actually gave the back 3 something to think about as before that they had a cigar one the go. 

    Madison looked promising and think we will create with him fit and pulling the strings. 

    All in all was pleased as for today was a bit of a free hit. We are a work in progress and would expect we will be a different animal after the break. 

    I’m certainly glass half full. 

  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,161
    That was most certainly a point gained, given that Sunderland should have been a goal or two up at half time. An excellent save by Amos and a horrendous miss by Graham bailed us out during the last 20 minutes of the first half, when we were all over the shop.

    The second half was better but still pretty mediocre and the failure to draw a single save from their keeper reflected our ineptitude up front, although that was no surprise with only one striker deployed against three central defenders. 

    Amos (in particular) and Famewo did well and I thought that Deji, Vennings and Pratley did ok, as did Watson in the second half. Levitt was particularly poor and I can see Albie Morgan coming into the side if Dylan doesn't show some very rapid improvement. Albie also has the advantage of being our own player.

    One of the worst games I've seen for some time and the fact that Sunderland are expected to (and probably will) challenge at the top of the table speaks volumes in terms of the quality of League 1.

    As for Charlton, the team needs to develop some kind of structure and personality because, at present, both are sadly lacking. 

  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,669
    I think it’s expected that Sunderland will be challenging is for no other reason that they are Sunderland.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,406
    Levitt was good when he kept it simple. Needs to find the balance and he'll be great
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,906
    I would drop doughty.  Bowyer seems to like the 4-4-2 diamond which I think he doesn’t play to fit doughty in. He is quick but what else does he do?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,179
    edited October 2020
    Todds_right_hook said:
    I would drop doughty.  Bowyer seems to like the 4-4-2 diamond which I think he doesn’t play to fit doughty in. He is quick but what else does he do?
    Would sadly agree at the moment... Reminds me of when we'd stick Shelvey out on the right of Midfield because we felt we couldnt drop him

    If we're going to play him I think it needs to be in a 4-3-3 with Maddison or Washington as the other wide player with a proper targetman in the middle
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Get those two forwards and a centre back in and we'll fly .

    Maddison came on and ping, into the box, ping, into the box, ping into the box. just what we've been missing. Class act and can't be many better than him is this league.

    And those who say he has an attitude, his covering right at the end saved us a point.

    Different team with Chucks on the pitch as well. He causes panic in defences.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,179
  • StreekDerek
    StreekDerek Posts: 354
    Not sure what people were expecting. No recognised right back, a midfield that hasn’t played together and only one fit striker against one of the best teams in the division. Yes, it could have been better but a point is a good outcome.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,144
    golfaddick said:
    Didn't watch it on iplayer so can't comment on the performance. What I will say is that I think some people will have to lower their expectations for this season, unless SG pulls out more than a few rabbits out of his hat over the next 2 weeks. We might have the same points tally as we did in 2018/19 but we don't have a Taylor, Grant, Aribo, Culllen or Beliek........and with the wage cap I don't see us picking up enough good players to match that quintet. 

    Sorry to say but I dont think we will be pushing on this season & would be happy with top half by the end. As it stands we will be in the bottom 4 once the opening whistles sound next Saturday & if Danny Graham had had his boots on the right feet we WOULD now be in the bottom 4. 

    Only saving grace is that Maddison is a decent player & IF we can bring in 2 decent strikers who can finish chances & a commanding midfielder like a Kinsella or Parker then we might just stave off relegation. 
    We will be absolutely nowhere near relegation.

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,179
    StreekDerek said:
    Not sure what people were expecting. No recognised right back, a midfield that hasn’t played together and only one fit striker against one of the best teams in the division. Yes, it could have been better but a point is a good outcome.
    Be nice if we can get a friendly lined up against someone in the next two weeks if possible

    Or maybe if Bowyer gets his squad sorted by next week they could do another squad building trip

    Just something to get that unity / familiarity instilled amongst the players
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Doughty should play in a 433 but it Bows goes 442 with the diamond he should be dropped. He’s promising but I think overhyped slightly anyway. 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,518
    Any marks for Tommy on commentary?
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,870
    soapboxsam said:
    golfaddick said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Charlton nil.

    Bonne scores on debut for QPR.

    Not bad for "terrible footballer" and "Sunday League standard.

    Quotes from the Knowledgeable CL.


    Might be the manager. Just saying.

    Thomas Sandgaard is a winner and
    the bar for Lee Bowyer has been raised.
    Lee Bowyer, will after this window, when we bring in two strikers hopefully, be judged on Results.

    I haven't got over getting 2 points from the last 18 on offer in the mini 9 match season.
    Last season was a nightmare from the moment Taylor got injured.

    Lee Bowyer has a clean slate this Season.
    Top 6 is the minimum requirement from TS.

    Lee knows if he falls short of being in contention he is out of a job. 
    For an owner who is ambitions like Thomas Sandgaard, then Lee needs to know his best 11 ASAP and get rid of the deadwood.

    In my humble opinion as someone who has coached and managed in grass roots football, the hard luck stories have to stop NOW. I will continue to give Lee Bowyer 100% because of the shocking hand he was dealt last season. Playing a right sided defender at LB was a gamble in one match let alone 3 in the mini season. 

    Good luck Lee and Steve in finding a Taylor, Grant or Bonne in this Window.

    My only prediction was Charlton nil in the preview. 
    Great post.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,313
    carly burn said:
    Any marks for Tommy on commentary?
    I enjoyed it. Made a couple of insightful remarks about the game, but otherwise felt he was really respectful to Greg and Tel, allowing them to do what they do best. 
  • Rob
    Rob Posts: 11,909
    Didn't expect too much from today. I'll take a point. Football is a team game not an individual game. No wonder we looked disjointed and not very good. It will get better. In Bows we trust. The two week break has come at a good time. Get two or three others in. Give them time to bond. It'll get better. 
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,094
    Poor game, our midfield really lacks spark and I'm not sure who is playing where, really needs to improve. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,982
    BigRedEvil said:
    Poor game, our midfield really lacks spark and they are not sure who is playing where, really needs to improve. 
    There you go, fixed it for you. :neutral:


  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,688
    4 games in and we are averaging a point a game which is relegation form in this league.

    That is no surprise to me given the constraints Bowyer and team have been operating under. 

    Tommy now needs to put his money where his mouth is and give Lee some backing. In fairness the arrival of Maddison is probably the first sign of that. Other than perhaps the Crewe match it has been all too evident that the team is weak in certain areas. Our most prolific striker has left and needs replacing with someone who knows where the net is, we need more physical presence in the side and midfield creativity.

    I'll judge it all before the January window as any acquisitions before this window closes will have had a fair crack of the whip.

    I believe in Lee Bowyer and Jacko and hope that with the promised backing we will improve markedly.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,257
    Covered End said:
    Another painful viewing.
    Amos did well.
    Oshilaja was Oshilaja.
    Purrington was decent as were Pratley & Fanewo.
    Vennings played well for 10 mins then disappeared.
    Levitt was shockingly bad, passing to Sunderland 90% of the time, a performance up there with Mikkel Alonso.
    Watson did well.
    Doughty was ok.
    Oztumer stank the place out.
    Washington was ok.

    Williams was ok.
    Aneke looked dangerous apart from when he had a great chance and managed to clear the ball.
    Maddison showed more ability with his first kick, than the rest did in 85 mins.

    Pretty much exactly what I saw, word for word

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  • 1968CAFC
    1968CAFC Posts: 578
    I see Bonne scores in the 6th minute of added time to give QPR a draw away at Sheffield Wednesday on his debut ....... typical 
    I do hope we have not dropped a bollock there ?
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,185
    1968CAFC said:
    I see Bonne scores in the 6th minute of added time to give QPR a draw away at Sheffield Wednesday on his debut ....... typical 
    I do hope we have not dropped a bollock there ?
    He didn't want to be here.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,982
    1968CAFC said:
    I see Bonne scores in the 6th minute of added time to give QPR a draw away at Sheffield Wednesday on his debut ....... typical 
    I do hope we have not dropped a bollock there ?
    Just proves that Bonne didn't fit Bowyer's gameplan of allowing opponents to keep a clean sheet. :smile:


  • limeygent
    limeygent Posts: 3,219
    I'll take a point when half of our players wouldn't have even known each others' names. Onwards and upwards.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,870
    edited October 2020
    LenGlover said:
    4 games in and we are averaging a point a game which is relegation form in this league.

    That is no surprise to me given the constraints Bowyer and team have been operating under. 

    Tommy now needs to put his money where his mouth is and give Lee some backing. In fairness the arrival of Maddison is probably the first sign of that. Other than perhaps the Crewe match it has been all too evident that the team is weak in certain areas. Our most prolific striker has left and needs replacing with someone who knows where the net is, we need more physical presence in the side and midfield creativity.

    I'll judge it all before the January window as any acquisitions before this window closes will have had a fair crack of the whip.

    I believe in Lee Bowyer and Jacko and hope that with the promised backing we will improve markedly.
    Problem with all that is the wage cap. Even if we went to Forest for Taylor, or Huddersfield for Grant & offered them £20m the players arent going to sign as we can only pay them diddly squat. The wage cap has totally screwed us. The only players that we can sign will be lower league players or players out of contract who are now getting desperate for a wage. Any decent striker has already been snapped up. You'll find we will bring in a couple of young loanees from Prem sides (like Levitt) who might be ok but certainly wont get you enough goals to get promoted. 
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 2,976
    I dont know what some people expect,we have been in turmoil,unable to bring players in,now we lose Gilbey,Pearce and Aneke at the start of the season.All the other teams have had time to get their squads together,we have not,and then to cap it all our only striker goes day before the game.
    Some of the defending today was last ditch,and we rode our luck(about time we had some)A lot of passes went astray,but at least we had the bigger share of the play.I am sure when we get our squad up to scratch things will improve.
    Maddison looked dangerous as did Aneke,more experience gained by our younger players against one of the better teams in the division.
    All in all a good point,top 6 by christmas.
  • Viewfinder
    Viewfinder Posts: 4,916
    I have been watching Charlton for 55 years.  Today's game and the appallingly bad performance against Donny a fortnight ago really are the pits.  This is the lowest of the low.  Certainly, I witnessed some grimly barren spells at Selhurst when we didn't win for 15 games or more - but that was at a much higher level, with much better players.

    This is the Third Division, and our inability to master even the most basic technical skills of ball control is shocking. Yes, I know this is a squad in transition if not dispersal, and under Sandgaard the future might - just might - be bright.  But I'm not talking about that - I'm looking closely at our every move throughout 90 minutes.

    The unforced errors, the stumbles and fluffs, the balls misplaced and overhit, the sheer confusion: players' lack of awareness of others!  It's all a random shambles, a weak and incoherent mess.  Maddison looked more capable than anyone - an agile header off the line at the death - Pratley is a strong influence, and Amos might turn out to be OK.  But the rest of them...  Sorry, but the answer is No.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,278
    Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.

    Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.

    Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.

    The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
  • rananegra
    rananegra Posts: 3,699
    Happy with a point, we weren't great, they were slightly better but their finishing was terrible. 

    If only we had finishing. Or even a  shot on target. 

    I wouldn't single out anyone as particularly bad, Levett tried a lot that didn't work but we'd be slating him if he hadn't tried.

    We need some bodies in, and we need all our players to be fit. Maddison was good. So was Amos.So was Chuks.

    Work in progress. In Bows I trust. 

    But please, can we be more enertaining?
    (Thomas, kan vi være mere underholdende?)



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