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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    killerandflash said:
    Why is Moeen ahead of Billings in the order?
    Why is Moeen still playing?  He is totally shot at this level. 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    killerandflash said:
    Why is Moeen ahead of Billings in the order?
    I was wondering the same. But Moheen has been an opener 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    look at his ODI stats over the last 18 months, 16 with the bat 82 with the ball..... 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    Moeen only bowled one over today, on a spin friendly track
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,514
    Makes no sense.  Plenty more people queing up for his place....
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Moeen filled a gap at all levels. He was picked for the test team because he wasn’t a bad spinner when we didn’t have anyone good enough to play as a specialist bowler. To be honest still not convinced we do and it’s an area we lack in. Rashid has proven his worth in limited overs and I don’t think we should play 2 spinners just for balance. We’re better going 5 bowlers with Root as a 6th choice for 1/2 overs. 
  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    England bowled pretty poorly 
    too much short stuff too predictable and Pak cashed in 
    Pak made a couple too many mistakes batting which all went to hand
    English batting had good fortune specially Morgan’s umpire’s call lbw impact outside the line
    couple of airy shots fell safe
    But the artistry and coolness of Captain and Malan kept the target in reach throughout Clinical finish by Sam Job well done 
    Moeen Ali surely finished as an international 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Not a great fan of 20/20; prefer 50 overs or two innings a side, But I watched every ball yesterday and can see the 360 degree skill set needed by the batsmen. 
    Tough gig being a bowler in 20/20 but the LBW not given against Morgan when the Pakistan bowler had already claimed Bairstow and Banton was critical as the Captain got his eye in and was sublime until he was out just short of another six.


  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Moeen filled a gap at all levels. He was picked for the test team because he wasn’t a bad spinner when we didn’t have anyone good enough to play as a specialist bowler. To be honest still not convinced we do and it’s an area we lack in. Rashid has proven his worth in limited overs and I don’t think we should play 2 spinners just for balance. We’re better going 5 bowlers with Root as a 6th choice for 1/2 overs. 
    Leach and Bess are good enough imo, if we really wanted a talismanic spinner like Swann was then rashid is our best bet. But I’m not convinced he’s a good enough red ball bowler. During the test series warne basically said spinners have to have opposite bowling tactics in test cricket than the white ball game. 
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    StigThundercock said:
    England bowled pretty poorly 
    too much short stuff too predictable and Pak cashed in 
    Pak made a couple too many mistakes batting which all went to hand
    English batting had good fortune specially Morgan’s umpire’s call lbw impact outside the line
    couple of airy shots fell safe
    But the artistry and coolness of Captain and Malan kept the target in reach throughout Clinical finish by Sam Job well done 
    Moeen Ali surely finished as an international 
    Like Buttler, moeen I think is really popular in the dressing room and especially amongst the two captains. He’ll be given some more opportunities I think. 
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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    kentaddick said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Moeen filled a gap at all levels. He was picked for the test team because he wasn’t a bad spinner when we didn’t have anyone good enough to play as a specialist bowler. To be honest still not convinced we do and it’s an area we lack in. Rashid has proven his worth in limited overs and I don’t think we should play 2 spinners just for balance. We’re better going 5 bowlers with Root as a 6th choice for 1/2 overs. 
    Leach and Bess are good enough imo, if we really wanted a talismanic spinner like Swann was then rashid is our best bet. But I’m not convinced he’s a good enough red ball bowler. During the test series warne basically said spinners have to have opposite bowling tactics in test cricket than the white ball game. 
    Not sure I agree, haven’t seen enough from Leach or Bess to suggest either can be top class test match spinners. I think both can do a job but if we want to become one of the best teams it’s an area we are weak in. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    A rather forgotten match, but an exciting finish on the final T20 vs Pakistan

    Moeen on 49 from 24
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Told you Ali was finished..... 
  • Ben18
    Ben18 Posts: 1,638
    That missed stumping by Sarfaraz looking very costly
  • Miserableoldgit
    Miserableoldgit Posts: 21,458
    15 from 4, 8 down.
  • Ben18
    Ben18 Posts: 1,638
    Ben18 said:
    That missed stumping by Sarfaraz looking very costly
    Maybe not
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    Glad for Pakistan to get a win out of the tour
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,761
    killerandflash said:
    Glad for Pakistan to get a win out of the tour

    Think they've played some terrific cricket. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,761
    Dom Bess signing premanently for Yorkshire in a 4 year deal is a good move - Somerset, despite Taunton being spin friendly, were rarely going to play both him and Leach be that in red or white ball matches
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,313
    I certainly don't think he'll be England's spinner for all of that time so they'll get good use of him. 

    I do however think that unless England unearth a gamechanger he'll always be the one they go back to when the flashier revvier latest model fails.

    Virdi and Qadri are the two I'm particularly curious about, and there's always Parkinson and Crane lurking somewhere in the deep dark hearts of any selector 
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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,313
    All the spinners I just named are #11 bats though, so Bess will always be in ahead of them unless they become consistently lethal at county level. I guess in both of those senses Leach is still his closest competition, being a Test #9 or #10 and with heavy wicket-taking pedigree 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    Puzzled why they played Bess ahead of Leach all summer, when neither  the Windies nor Pakistan have lots of left handers. And Leach is decent with the bat anyway
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,761
    killerandflash said:
    Puzzled why they played Bess ahead of Leach all summer, when neither  the Windies nor Pakistan have lots of left handers. And Leach is decent with the bat anyway
    To a degree I think it's about the man in possession. Leach has also had his injury and illness issues and those haven't helped either especially in the Covid environment we find our selves in
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,761
    Sad to see that  former Northants and England player, David Capel, has died at the age of just 57 following a long illness.

    RIP
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    Addick Addict said:
    Sad to see that  former Northants and England player, David Capel, has died at the age of just 57 following a long illness.

    RIP
    Very sad news. One of the many players unfairly expected to be the "new Botham" but a very good cricketer in his own right
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,988
    Eng 85-3 10.4 v Aus T20
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,514
    Ali and Curran just not good enough at the highest level.  Morgan looked worried by the pace of Stark.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,667
    20 runs short I feel.
    Come on England prove me wrong .
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    Ed Smith on the phone to Silverwood

    "Where are the Kent players?"
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Getting battered 

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