Naby Sarr.
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Comments much less heated and more reasonable today.0
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I would have been embarrassed to concede a goal in such a manner playing in the County League.
I have a lot of time for the way Sarr has developed over the last 18 months but he still struggles on reading game situations. He has all the physical and technical attributes necessary but not the mentality. He does not display the concentration or focus. It is why there is always a mistake in him.
This scenario just highlights where it will cost you. Your team has just worked their b*****ks to get themselves back in the game and you are in extra time but as a matter of personal pride there is no way you get dominated like that in your own penalty area - ever! He quite simply just switches off. He seems to struggle with any "in game" variance. Smith comes on as a substitute he fails to react and adapt to the new physicality.
That header is his to physically compete for if not win 100 times out of 100.
It is where you earn your money as a professional.
It was a truly, truly horrible goal to concede.
I wish him well for the rest of the season but I suggest it is time to see whether Oshilaja, a utility defender with 90 plus games as a central defender in League 1 can step up.
Sarr has shown significant growth under Bowyer. If he is going to secure a career at this level he still has some growing to do. His contributions over the past 18 months have earned him the right to have more chances over the rest of this season. He, for now, needs to step out of the limelight, reset and go again.
He has a contract to earn at the end of this season.
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There's a photo earlier in the thread (page 8 or 9) and it clearly shows Pratley marking a man at the far post and then Sarr and there is no other millwall player near him apart from the guy with a free header who scored. How was he overloaded? Pratley clearly can't mark 2 of them so it's pretty obvious Sarr didn't pick up his man.Leuth said:Well, he played well aside from the second goal (I still think the first was because he was overloaded, and there wasn't much he could do, it was a pinpoint cross and the guy ghosted in from where Pratley had been). Blocks, clearances, mostly found his man down the wing, an assist and even a backheel to keep the ball in at one point.
I've slept on it, and I don't know why he didn't jump for the winner. It's like finding out Santa doesn't exist, but worse. You were one minute away from a decent performance at the Den! WHY? I was seriously up for an hour thinking about it. Why?? Did he think that he was in the right space and the guy would have to foul him to win it? Because that's kind of true, but he could have eliminated the possibility of the ref not giving it by jumping. WHY
Still, he's shown an ability to learn and improve - Bowyer's words - and if we don't all boo him whenever we see him again (looking at you, entire North stand) then I'd hope he wouldn't make that particular mistake again.
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Maybe need to have a second Username for these short posts... Gravepine49-LiteGrapevine49 said:I would have been embarrassed to concede a goal in such a manner playing in the County League.
I have a lot of time for the way Sarr has developed over the last 18 months but he still struggles on reading game situations. He has all the physical and technical attributes necessary but not the mentality. He does not display the concentration or focus. It is why there is always a mistake in him.
This scenario just highlights where it will cost you. Your team has just worked their b*****ks to get themselves back in the game and you are in extra time but as a matter of personal pride there is no way you get dominated like that in your own penalty area - ever! He quite simply just switches off. He seems to struggle with any "in game" variance. Smith comes on as a substitute he fails to react and adapt to the new physicality.
That header is his to physically compete for if not win 100 times out of 100.
It is where you earn your money as a professional.
It was a truly, truly horrible goal to concede.
I wish him well for the rest of the season but I suggest it is time to see whether Oshilaja, a utility defender with 90 plus games as a central defender in League 1 can step up.
Sarr has shown significant growth under Bowyer. If he is going to secure a career at this level he still has some growing to do. His contributions over the past 18 months have earned him the right to have more chances over the rest of this season. He, for now, needs to step out of the limelight, reset and go again.
He has a contract to earn at the end of this season.
Quite proud I was able to read one of your posts in one sitting
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There are 4 defenders in front of the goalscorer and three Millwall. We don't know what the defensive instructions were, but I suspect our extra man should have picked up Hutchinson. Bows effectively blamed Sarr for 2nd but not 1st. Why?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
There's a photo earlier in the thread (page 8 or 9) and it clearly shows Pratley marking a man at the far post and then Sarr and there is no other millwall player near him apart from the guy with a free header who scored. How was he overloaded? Pratley clearly can't mark 2 of them so it's pretty obvious Sarr didn't pick up his man.Leuth said:Well, he played well aside from the second goal (I still think the first was because he was overloaded, and there wasn't much he could do, it was a pinpoint cross and the guy ghosted in from where Pratley had been). Blocks, clearances, mostly found his man down the wing, an assist and even a backheel to keep the ball in at one point.
I've slept on it, and I don't know why he didn't jump for the winner. It's like finding out Santa doesn't exist, but worse. You were one minute away from a decent performance at the Den! WHY? I was seriously up for an hour thinking about it. Why?? Did he think that he was in the right space and the guy would have to foul him to win it? Because that's kind of true, but he could have eliminated the possibility of the ref not giving it by jumping. WHY
Still, he's shown an ability to learn and improve - Bowyer's words - and if we don't all boo him whenever we see him again (looking at you, entire North stand) then I'd hope he wouldn't make that particular mistake again.
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Leuth said:Well, he played well aside from the second goal (I still think the first was because he was overloaded, and there wasn't much he could do, it was a pinpoint cross and the guy ghosted in from where Pratley had been). Blocks, clearances, mostly found his man down the wing, an assist and even a backheel to keep the ball in at one point.
I've slept on it, and I don't know why he didn't jump for the winner. It's like finding out Santa doesn't exist, but worse. You were one minute away from a decent performance at the Den! WHY? I was seriously up for an hour thinking about it. Why?? Did he think that he was in the right space and the guy would have to foul him to win it? Because that's kind of true, but he could have eliminated the possibility of the ref not giving it by jumping. WHY
Still, he's shown an ability to learn and improve - Bowyer's words - and if we don't all boo him whenever we see him again (looking at you, entire North stand) then I'd hope he wouldn't make that particular mistake again.
It ain't all over yet. Long seasonCoz he's shit thats why. Just fuck off and give us a normal>/average left sided defender who is not going to be a fucking liabilty.I've had enough of Calamity Nabby - big fuck up awaiting around the corner in every fucking game.4 -
That's the first time his error has cost a goal all season. You sound like a boorish reactionaryThe_President said:Leuth said:Well, he played well aside from the second goal (I still think the first was because he was overloaded, and there wasn't much he could do, it was a pinpoint cross and the guy ghosted in from where Pratley had been). Blocks, clearances, mostly found his man down the wing, an assist and even a backheel to keep the ball in at one point.
I've slept on it, and I don't know why he didn't jump for the winner. It's like finding out Santa doesn't exist, but worse. You were one minute away from a decent performance at the Den! WHY? I was seriously up for an hour thinking about it. Why?? Did he think that he was in the right space and the guy would have to foul him to win it? Because that's kind of true, but he could have eliminated the possibility of the ref not giving it by jumping. WHY
Still, he's shown an ability to learn and improve - Bowyer's words - and if we don't all boo him whenever we see him again (looking at you, entire North stand) then I'd hope he wouldn't make that particular mistake again.
It ain't all over yet. Long seasonCoz he's shit thats why. Just fuck off and give us a normal>/average left sided defender who is not going to be a fucking liabilty.I've had enough of Calamity Nabby - big fuck up awaiting around the corner in every fucking game.6 -
'boorish reactionary' - thats a new one.How many errors is he allowed?Thats 2 from Saturday.0
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If the 6'5" Sarr is rested, here's the height of defenders available to Bowyer when they are all fit;
Oshilaja 5'11"Lockyer 5'10&3/4"
Pearce 6' 1"
Pratley 6' 1"
Purrington 5'10"
Solly 5'8"
Matthews 5'10"
Page 5'10"
And it does not auger well for the rest of the season when we come up against big CB's / CF's at set pieces and opposition managers / coaches will know this and see it as our underbelly. Whether we like it or not it will be Hobson's choice for Bowyer to have to still call upon the Nabster's services unless he is able to do something about it in January. Maybe Dillon will have to come for more high balls into the box because he seems to have favoured a punch away of late.
Edit; before anyone queries how tall Solly is he's definitely not 5'3" 😉.
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Doesn’t matter that Sarr is 6’5” if he fails to jump for the ball.RedChaser said:If the 6'5" Sarr is rested, here's the height of defenders available to Bowyer when they are all fit;
Oshilaja 5'11"Lockyer 5'10&3/4"
Pearce 6' 1"
Pratley 6' 1"
Purrington 5'10"
Solly 5'8"
Matthews 5'10"
Page 5'10"
And it does not auger well for the rest of the season when we come up against big CB's / CF's at set pieces and opposition managers / coaches will know this and see it as our underbelly. Whether we like it or not it will be Hobson's choice for Bowyer to have to still call upon the Nabster's services unless he is able to do something about it in January. Maybe Dillon will have to come for more high balls into the box because he seems to have favoured a punch away of late.
Edit; before anyone queries how tall Solly is he's definitely not 5'3" 😉.
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Couldn't agree more.alan dugdale said:
Doesn’t matter that Sarr is 6’5” if he fails to jump for the ball.RedChaser said:If the 6'5" Sarr is rested, here's the height of defenders available to Bowyer when they are all fit;
Oshilaja 5'11"Lockyer 5'10&3/4"
Pearce 6' 1"
Pratley 6' 1"
Purrington 5'10"
Solly 5'8"
Matthews 5'10"
Page 5'10"
And it does not auger well for the rest of the season when we come up against big CB's / CF's at set pieces and opposition managers / coaches will know this and see it as our underbelly. Whether we like it or not it will be Hobson's choice for Bowyer to have to still call upon the Nabster's services unless he is able to do something about it in January. Maybe Dillon will have to come for more high balls into the box because he seems to have favoured a punch away of late.
Edit; before anyone queries how tall Solly is he's definitely not 5'3" 😉.
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Thought Solly was 5ft 3? 😐0
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So was I.Weegie Addick said:Was in tears at the end, apparently.1 -
Phew, it's always good to have confirmation that you're not going raving mad.Grapevine49 said:I would have been embarrassed to concede a goal in such a manner playing in the County League.
I have a lot of time for the way Sarr has developed over the last 18 months but he still struggles on reading game situations. He has all the physical and technical attributes necessary but not the mentality. He does not display the concentration or focus. It is why there is always a mistake in him.
This scenario just highlights where it will cost you. Your team has just worked their b*****ks to get themselves back in the game and you are in extra time but as a matter of personal pride there is no way you get dominated like that in your own penalty area - ever! He quite simply just switches off. He seems to struggle with any "in game" variance. Smith comes on as a substitute he fails to react and adapt to the new physicality.
That header is his to physically compete for if not win 100 times out of 100.
It is where you earn your money as a professional.
It was a truly, truly horrible goal to concede.
I wish him well for the rest of the season but I suggest it is time to see whether Oshilaja, a utility defender with 90 plus games as a central defender in League 1 can step up.
Sarr has shown significant growth under Bowyer. If he is going to secure a career at this level he still has some growing to do. His contributions over the past 18 months have earned him the right to have more chances over the rest of this season. He, for now, needs to step out of the limelight, reset and go again.
He has a contract to earn at the end of this season.
Sometimes I doubt my own sanity, with all this "you mark the man behind you stuff".
I find some people views utterly utterly baffling.
How can you get everything so wrong so often ?
Thanks as always Grapevine.
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RedChaser said:If the 6'5" Sarr is rested, here's the height of defenders available to Bowyer when they are all fit;
Oshilaja 5'11"Lockyer 5'10&3/4"
Pearce 6' 1"
Pratley 6' 1"
Purrington 5'10"
Solly 5'8"
Matthews 5'10"
Page 5'10"
Useful list, Red Chaser. May I suggest just one correction? Solly is 5' 3"
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Lockyer claimed in an interview soon after he arrived thatched was actually 6ft.0
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Fair enough, transfermarkt actually has him at 1.84m = 6'.0" whilst Wiki had him at 1.8m = 5'11" must be before and after a haircut Canters 😉.cantersaddick said:Lockyer claimed in an interview soon after he arrived thatched was actually 6ft.1 -
I imagine as a centre back that you are desperate to appear as tall as you can be, especially as he was rejected by Cardiff for being too short.cantersaddick said:Lockyer claimed in an interview soon after he arrived thatched was actually 6ft.
Indeed Lockyer has been an excellent replacement for Bauer, but is definitely weaker in the air0 -
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Before finally giving up on Sarr, how about trying him out in a position further forward?0
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Good idea, let him watch the game from behind the goal.Aethelstan said:Before finally giving up on Sarr, how about trying him out in a position further forward?
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Showmetheway2gohome said:To me both goals his like zonal defending the first one he loses the man as though his not sure who he is marking. the second one his stood at back post and smith has the run on him and jumps over top of him.
Its about opinions but this referee had been giving fouls for pushes all game. He gave a foul on Pearce in the box which was very soft.so for consistency think the ref should be giving this a foul. One of them decisions like someone says with BFG at Wembley on another day it could be a foul.
I completely agreed with this at the time. Everyone around me was looking at each other, whilst celebrating, and saying 'how was that not a foul?', for the exact reason you give about the ref being hot on the pushes all game.My view has changed since, and it's totally down to the video from your end that shows, from my perspective anyway, that Sarr is firmly routed to the ground and Smith towers over him. His momentum takes him right over Sarr. I can't see the use of arms in the back but happy to be corrected.
I still think Sarr played well and, yes, I'm fully aware of the company that keeps me in
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Think it's really important to listen to what opposition fans say about a performance.0
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Despite his height, Sarr is not airily dominant. Never has been, never will be. You can teach a bloke how to jump but not teach that desire to always be first to the ball and he lacks that.
As for playing in midfield, maybe but i think his lack of mobility due to his size would cause him issues.
nice fella, but L1 quality on PL wages for 5.5 years whilst with us.2 -
A decent sports psychologist will sort Naby out. He needs to harness his inner anger, or something like that. Seriously.3
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He's usually good enough in the air though! I can't think of many times recently where he's been outjumped and in open play he often heads crosses clear. He just froze on this set play. Freezing obviously not something you like to see, but the way some of you are going on it's like this is a chronic aerial problem, which it really isn't. More a pressure issue. So I agree about the psychologist.5
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Another thing about freezing - it's not that he doesn't think about the situation, it's quite the opposite. If he didn't have a thought in his head he'd have jumped for that ball, but the pause for thought was what did him. If he needs to work on anything it's to think a bit less and play by instinct. I know what freezing is like. It's why I'm a much better fielder in cricket when the ball flies hard at me, and why I'm a bit dodgy under the high ball1
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So yeah, not inner anger so much as inner instinct and blocking out all thoughts when given a small amount of time. If that corner had been whipped in hard to the same space I'm sure he'd have cleared it5
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He needs couple of games out of the team 100%. Two games in a row now he's been our worst player.
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