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Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett: Derby County stars charged with drink-driving

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,214
    Doubt they'll pay him willingly but a contract is a contract.

    There's no benefit to Keogh in him agreeing to cancel his contract unless they pay him off 100% and pay his rehab bills.

    My guess is that if it was only Keogh they'd try to dump him but hard to do that and keep the other two.


  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    Keogh was the club captain ....... and expected to lead by example.


  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Oggy Red said:
    Keogh was the club captain ....... and expected to lead by example.


    I hear he did.

    Always one pint ahead. Tidy.
  • JiMMy 85
    JiMMy 85 Posts: 10,189
    superchrissypowell said:
    Has keogh done anything wrong? (Worthu enough for getting the sack anyways) he got drunk and got in a car as a passenger. Nothing wrong there.
    Letting someone drink drive is bad, getting in the car with them is as bad as being the driver. I am pretty sure there is legal precedent for charging passengers and rightly so. 

    I'd imagine Derby are talking to their lawyers about what their options are, and will wait to see what action the police take against the drivers (and maybe the passengers). I really want the CPS (?) to throw the book at them. Footballers are selfish pricks in these situations. Imagine having enough money to not even notice that you got an Uber to Spain, let alone home, and STILL decide to drive instead. 

    Given the Uber option, given the cars being laid on, I'm speculating that they wanted to race while drunk. And if so, that would be utterly unforgivable. 



  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    JiMMy 85 said:
    superchrissypowell said:
    Has keogh done anything wrong? (Worthu enough for getting the sack anyways) he got drunk and got in a car as a passenger. Nothing wrong there.
    Letting someone drink drive is bad, getting in the car with them is as bad as being the driver. I am pretty sure there is legal precedent for charging passengers and rightly so. 

    I'd imagine Derby are talking to their lawyers about what their options are, and will wait to see what action the police take against the drivers (and maybe the passengers). I really want the CPS (?) to throw the book at them. Footballers are selfish pricks in these situations. Imagine having enough money to not even notice that you got an Uber to Spain, let alone home, and STILL decide to drive instead. 

    Given the Uber option, given the cars being laid on, I'm speculating that they wanted to race while drunk. And if so, that would be utterly unforgivable. 



    Really, a passenger of a drink driver can be charge too? 
  • N01R4M
    N01R4M Posts: 2,577
    se9addick said:
    JiMMy 85 said:
    superchrissypowell said:
    Has keogh done anything wrong? (Worthu enough for getting the sack anyways) he got drunk and got in a car as a passenger. Nothing wrong there.
    Letting someone drink drive is bad, getting in the car with them is as bad as being the driver. I am pretty sure there is legal precedent for charging passengers and rightly so. 

    I'd imagine Derby are talking to their lawyers about what their options are, and will wait to see what action the police take against the drivers (and maybe the passengers). I really want the CPS (?) to throw the book at them. Footballers are selfish pricks in these situations. Imagine having enough money to not even notice that you got an Uber to Spain, let alone home, and STILL decide to drive instead. 

    Given the Uber option, given the cars being laid on, I'm speculating that they wanted to race while drunk. And if so, that would be utterly unforgivable. 



    Really, a passenger of a drink driver can be charge too? 
    I believe it is possible, if the passenger is a driver, that their licence could theoretically also be at risk - although I don't know how often this actually happens.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    N01R4M said:
    se9addick said:
    JiMMy 85 said:
    superchrissypowell said:
    Has keogh done anything wrong? (Worthu enough for getting the sack anyways) he got drunk and got in a car as a passenger. Nothing wrong there.
    Letting someone drink drive is bad, getting in the car with them is as bad as being the driver. I am pretty sure there is legal precedent for charging passengers and rightly so. 

    I'd imagine Derby are talking to their lawyers about what their options are, and will wait to see what action the police take against the drivers (and maybe the passengers). I really want the CPS (?) to throw the book at them. Footballers are selfish pricks in these situations. Imagine having enough money to not even notice that you got an Uber to Spain, let alone home, and STILL decide to drive instead. 

    Given the Uber option, given the cars being laid on, I'm speculating that they wanted to race while drunk. And if so, that would be utterly unforgivable. 



    Really, a passenger of a drink driver can be charge too? 
    I believe it is possible, if the passenger is a driver, that their licence could theoretically also be at risk - although I don't know how often this actually happens.
    I assume that would depend if the passenger knew the driver was over the limit, and I suppose if the passenger encouraged the driver...Certainly not an issue if you had no idea

    I think the court case will be very interesting, who exactly was involved, how fast they were driving, whether they were racing...
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    JiMMy 85 said:
    superchrissypowell said:
    Has keogh done anything wrong? (Worthu enough for getting the sack anyways) he got drunk and got in a car as a passenger. Nothing wrong there.
    Letting someone drink drive is bad, getting in the car with them is as bad as being the driver. I am pretty sure there is legal precedent for charging passengers and rightly so. 

    I'd imagine Derby are talking to their lawyers about what their options are, and will wait to see what action the police take against the drivers (and maybe the passengers). I really want the CPS (?) to throw the book at them. Footballers are selfish pricks in these situations. Imagine having enough money to not even notice that you got an Uber to Spain, let alone home, and STILL decide to drive instead. 

    Given the Uber option, given the cars being laid on, I'm speculating that they wanted to race while drunk. And if so, that would be utterly unforgivable. 



    I doubt they thought let's have 10 pints and then race each other.

    From what i've read they were going to a players house who lives about 5 minutes away, so i guess they probably just thought "it's not far, i'll be fine". It's probably not the first time they've done it either given a lot of their players apparently (according to Derby's forum) drink in that pub all the time.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,021
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Derby club statement:

    ...The players involved in the incident on Tuesday evening will be subject to a rigorous internal investigation...


  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,116
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    JiMMy 85 said:
    superchrissypowell said:
    Has keogh done anything wrong? (Worthu enough for getting the sack anyways) he got drunk and got in a car as a passenger. Nothing wrong there.
    Letting someone drink drive is bad, getting in the car with them is as bad as being the driver. I am pretty sure there is legal precedent for charging passengers and rightly so. 

    I'd imagine Derby are talking to their lawyers about what their options are, and will wait to see what action the police take against the drivers (and maybe the passengers). I really want the CPS (?) to throw the book at them. Footballers are selfish pricks in these situations. Imagine having enough money to not even notice that you got an Uber to Spain, let alone home, and STILL decide to drive instead. 

    Given the Uber option, given the cars being laid on, I'm speculating that they wanted to race while drunk. And if so, that would be utterly unforgivable. 



    I doubt they thought let's have 10 pints and then race each other.

    From what i've read they were going to a players house who lives about 5 minutes away, so i guess they probably just thought "it's not far, i'll be fine". It's probably not the first time they've done it either given a lot of their players apparently (according to Derby's forum) drink in that pub all the time.
    Have you seen the damage to the cars, no way were they just driving to a mates house.
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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    eaststandmike said:
    I don't get it, only one of them could have been driving or are neither of them owning up and so they both get done?
    I thought that if you get in a car with someone you know has been drinking, you can get done the same as them
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    eaststandmike said:
    I don't get it, only one of them could have been driving or are neither of them owning up and so they both get done?
    I thought that if you get in a car with someone you know has been drinking, you can get done the same as them
    I honestly never knew that, sounds about right though. 

    My wife is from the proper sticks in the West Country and attitudes towards drink driving seem very different down there. 
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    yeah you can my driving instructer said if you are ever silly enough to get in a car with someone whos had a drink make sure you are drunk aswell - as if you are sober and you let someone drive who has been drinking - you will lose your licence aswell. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    palarsehater said:
    yeah you can my driving instructer said if you are ever silly enough to get in a car with someone whos had a drink make sure you are drunk aswell - as if you are sober and you let someone drive who has been drinking - you will lose your licence aswell. 
    I should be alright then.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    palarsehater said:
    yeah you can my driving instructer said if you are ever silly enough to get in a car with someone whos had a drink make sure you are drunk aswell - as if you are sober and you let someone drive who has been drinking - you will lose your licence aswell. 
    Sounds like Keogh should be alright then!
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,598
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    bit O T T to call Bennet a 'star' .. from what I've seen he's a mediocre not often striking striker
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Tom Lawrence starting tonight
    Mason Bennett on the bench
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    Good to see the Derby manager and owner taking such a tough stance against them. Both back in the side just 1 week after the incident!

    Personally though Derby would at least wait until the court case before picking them again.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    In fairness to Derby fans, a quick look on twitter shows that they can't believe it and are all against their selection
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  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED Posts: 3,474
    Unbelievable that he starts but Lawrence wins Derby a pen just before half time. 1-2 up against Barnsley
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,456
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    eaststandmike said:
    I don't get it, only one of them could have been driving or are neither of them owning up and so they both get done?
    I thought that if you get in a car with someone you know has been drinking, you can get done the same as them
    I’ve never heard that either. How could that even be proven??
  • N01R4M
    N01R4M Posts: 2,577

    A quick search on google led me to this… Can you aid and abet a drink ... - The Drink Driving Solicitor This means that a person convicting of aiding or abetting a drink driving offence will receive a minimum 12 month driving disqualification plus a fine and they could be sent to prison or made subject to a community order.24 Aug 2016

  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,560
    Garrymanilow said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Wonder if Derby will now sack him? Surely their owner isn't going to continue paying his (probably quite high) wages for the next year or so.
    Most likely not, because then they would have to sack Lawrence and Bennett too, and there's no way they're letting that amount of recoupable transfer money go for nothing
    They can sack them but hold onto their registration.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Good to see the Derby manager and owner taking such a tough stance against them. Both back in the side just 1 week after the incident!

    Personally though Derby would at least wait until the court case before picking them again.
    I suppose the Derby logic is innocent until proved guilty etc, even in a case where the evidence looks pretty clear cut

    Ched Evans for example played all season until his court case, and indeed Sheffield United slumped massively after he was found guilty allowing Wednesday and Huddersfield to pip them for promotion
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    paulie8290 said:
    Tom Lawrence starting tonight
    Mason Bennett on the bench
    Both booed by the Derby fans when their names were read out by the sounds of things
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,620
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Good to see the Derby manager and owner taking such a tough stance against them. Both back in the side just 1 week after the incident!

    Personally though Derby would at least wait until the court case before picking them again.

    Cant believe it. Hope they go down. Scummy club. None of this "wait for the trail......innocent until proven guilty" bollox. If you wrap your car round a tree & are breatherlised showing you are over the limit then that's it. There aee no "mitigating" circumstances. 
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    That’s a good lesson learnt - both played tonight after assisting in ending the captains career ( he also has himself to blame ), basically showing 0 respect to the club and manager. 

    Bad bad decision from derby and they deserve everything they get and severely hope they go no where this season and the pair of them have career ending injuries. Selfish pricks. 

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    Tom Lawrence called up for the Wales squad as well...
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,219
    Hope he's not the coach driver?

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