Raheem Sterling
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All depends on what you call offensive chanting.
I’ve heard homophobic in a sense against Brighton - although I don’t see too much wrong with does your boyfriend know your here, got a few Brighton supporting pals and they see no issue and find it quite amusing.
Jihadi John song a few times - again no issue as the guy was a terrorist and anyone that takes offence to that must be a sympathiser.
Been attending Charlton games for 20 years and I’ve never heard any racist language, others may have but I haven’t sit north upper and don’t my fair share of away games.1 -
You never once heard the dodgy DVD song?palarsehater said:All depends on what you call offensive chanting.
I’ve heard homophobic in a sense against Brighton - although I don’t see too much wrong with does your boyfriend know your here, got a few Brighton supporting pals and they see no issue and find it quite amusing.
Jihadi John song a few times - again no issue as the guy was a terrorist and anyone that takes offence to that must be a sympathiser.
Been attending Charlton games for 20 years and I’ve never heard any racist language, others may have but I haven’t sit north upper and don’t my fair share of away games.0 -
Nope, I think nye away one year against Leyton orient there were some blokes singing the Kevin Lisbie song and a few fans kicked off with them didn’t hear the song myself just knew that was the reason for the kick off.Stu_of_Kunming said:
You never once heard the dodgy DVD song?palarsehater said:All depends on what you call offensive chanting.
I’ve heard homophobic in a sense against Brighton - although I don’t see too much wrong with does your boyfriend know your here, got a few Brighton supporting pals and they see no issue and find it quite amusing.
Jihadi John song a few times - again no issue as the guy was a terrorist and anyone that takes offence to that must be a sympathiser.
Been attending Charlton games for 20 years and I’ve never heard any racist language, others may have but I haven’t sit north upper and don’t my fair share of away games.
At a recent European qualifier away there was a black arsenal fan with a flag that had the words “ England away on the piss with black Chris”
Some would perceive that as racist.0 -
I mean, even I don't think "does your boyfriend know you're here" ranks particularly highly on the offensiveness scale, but that's not really the point, is it?palarsehater said:All depends on what you call offensive chanting.
I’ve heard homophobic in a sense against Brighton - although I don’t see too much wrong with does your boyfriend know your here, got a few Brighton supporting pals and they see no issue and find it quite amusing.
Jihadi John song a few times - again no issue as the guy was a terrorist and anyone that takes offence to that must be a sympathiser.
Been attending Charlton games for 20 years and I’ve never heard any racist language, others may have but I haven’t sit north upper and don’t my fair share of away games.
It's more that it can help engender casual homophobia, because it IS still homophobic. It plays on the "gays liking sports SHOCK" stereotype, and is a mild taunt in a generally overtly heterosexual environment meant to wind up other fans (even if in jest).
When it comes to racist language, though, that's a completely different kettle of fish. At Gillingham away in the 16/17 season (1-1 draw, shit game), Nicky Ajose played a through ball. It were crap and went out for a goal kick. The following exchange then took place behind me among a group of probably 14-16 year olds:
Youth 1: Ajose, why are you so SHIT?!
Youth 2: Because he's a [n-word].
Youths 1-6: laughter
Yeah. Hard R on that redacted word and everything. Absolutely disgusting.
I turn around and ask if they'd want to repeat that a bit louder. To my shame, I didn't report them (mainly because I was quite a lot bigger than them and thought my presence was sufficient), but they piped down for the rest of the game, surprisingly.
I've heard a box behind me in the East sing the Kevin Lisbie song. This was a couple of years after he left, too.
The Zheng Zhi chant irks me for understandable reasons.
My friend told me he once heard racial abuse involving Lloyd Sam being distracted by an opposition player's yellow boots, or something, because bananas are yellow too, and that sort of bollocks.1 -
It’s always I should of reported it but didn’t.
It was the point as someone called it vile abuse - to which I stated I didn’t think it was....0 -
I did once hear somebody call Yohann Thuram-Ulien the banana man.
I thought it was outrageous at the time..... until I quickly realised he was dressed head to toe in yellow!1 -
About 5/6 years ago a goalkeeper at The Valley was called what Raheem was at Chelsea.
The stewards were alerted and I didn't see the bloke again for about 2 years so hopefully he served a ban.0 -
Who would?palarsehater said:
Nope, I think nye away one year against Leyton orient there were some blokes singing the Kevin Lisbie song and a few fans kicked off with them didn’t hear the song myself just knew that was the reason for the kick off.Stu_of_Kunming said:
You never once heard the dodgy DVD song?palarsehater said:All depends on what you call offensive chanting.
I’ve heard homophobic in a sense against Brighton - although I don’t see too much wrong with does your boyfriend know your here, got a few Brighton supporting pals and they see no issue and find it quite amusing.
Jihadi John song a few times - again no issue as the guy was a terrorist and anyone that takes offence to that must be a sympathiser.
Been attending Charlton games for 20 years and I’ve never heard any racist language, others may have but I haven’t sit north upper and don’t my fair share of away games.
At a recent European qualifier away there was a black arsenal fan with a flag that had the words “ England away on the piss with black Chris”
Some would perceive that as racist.2 -
I'm even more hopeful they weren't a regular.Addickted2TheReds said:About 5/6 years ago a goalkeeper at The Valley was called what Raheem was at Chelsea.
The stewards were alerted and I didn't see the bloke again for about 2 years so hopefully he served a ban.0 -
So abuse is fine, as long as it's you giving the abuse.Addickted2TheReds said:
If you think the two are remotely comparable then my last comment is bang on.smudge7946 said:Wilma said:
It's known as Unconscious Biassmudge7946 said:
Subconscious racism?Big_Bad_World said:
Absolutely. It's pure, subconscious racism. That's whether those abusing him dress it up as being because of how he left the club or not. The reality is it enables their subconscious racism to rise to the surface.Addickted said:
Is the abuse a player like Defoe gets at The Valley because he is black?Henry Irving said:
Say it loud I'm red headed and proudAlwaysneil said:
Strawberry blonde?The Organiser said:Has Sterling? Do we know he has? He gets abuse no doubt but do we know it’s purely because he is black? And is one type of abuse worse than another and who judges?
Some of the most uncomfortable abuse I’ve witnessed has been at ginger people, who seem fair game to just about anyone who isn’t ginger, have to endure negative connations and casual but often relentless brutal abuse, which if it was directed at skin colour, would send people into a frenzy.
There can be no other explanation.
Let's pretend such a thing exists, even though it doesn't.
Big bad world supports the idea that kids get to wave flags when Charlton enter the pitch.
Subconsciously he is a peadophile.
Add subconscious to anything to prove an invalid point.
http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=5433
You're being rude and disrespectful on a thread complaining about rude and disrespectful behaviour.Addickted2TheReds said:
I've conciously concluded that you're quite thick.smudge7946 said:
Maybe I do subconsciously.Addickted2TheReds said:
Ignoring your ridiculous analogy, surely you don't actually think that?smudge7946 said:
Subconscious racism?Big_Bad_World said:
Absolutely. It's pure, subconscious racism. That's whether those abusing him dress it up as being because of how he left the club or not. The reality is it enables their subconscious racism to rise to the surface.Addickted said:
Is the abuse a player like Defoe gets at The Valley because he is black?Henry Irving said:
Say it loud I'm red headed and proudAlwaysneil said:
Strawberry blonde?The Organiser said:Has Sterling? Do we know he has? He gets abuse no doubt but do we know it’s purely because he is black? And is one type of abuse worse than another and who judges?
Some of the most uncomfortable abuse I’ve witnessed has been at ginger people, who seem fair game to just about anyone who isn’t ginger, have to endure negative connations and casual but often relentless brutal abuse, which if it was directed at skin colour, would send people into a frenzy.
There can be no other explanation.
Let's pretend such a thing exists, even though it doesn't.0 - Sponsored links:
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I remember some real bad racist chants in the 70's with the N word & lick my boots.Henry Irving said:
My perception as a straight white man is that as a society we are less racist and homophobic than when I was growing up.SantaClaus said:
You can add the Ben Stokes case as another high profile example. I guess my sense is that these attacks are anomalies and that society is massively more tolerant than it used to to be but maybe that's not other people's experience/perceptionHenry Irving said:
Maybe the Welsh rugby guy who was attacked in the street, or the victims of similar attacks would disagree.SantaClaus said:
Is their much genuine homophobia anymore? Perhaps I'm being naive but I can't think of any anti gay comments or attitudes from people in my circles since the playground.JaShea99 said:
No offence caused, just baffling that you referred to that as ‘vile homophobia’. Let’s hope you never encounter any genuine homophobia in your life.SantaClaus said:
That was the chant. Sorry if repeating it has caused any offense.JaShea99 said:
Was the bracketed sentence above the ‘vile homophobic chant’? Or were there other examples?SantaClaus said:
I remember hearing some vile homophobic chants at the valley ('we can see you holding hands' to Brighton fans) but I genuinely can't remember any recist abuse either.JiMMy 85 said:
I can honestly say I have never heard racist abuse at The Valley. There was the 'who let the frogs out' chanting against Chelsea that time, but I've never heard a black player receive abuse, and I like to think the surrounding fans wouldn't stand for it. I accept I might be naive to think that.SuedeAdidas said:I liked the bloke who said he’d been going to Chelsea for 20 years and had never heard any racism. I suggest he gets his ears checked.
I’d say the same regardless of the club.
And maybe it does happen and I just don't notice it. I do remember some guy sitting next to me and dad one day, saying he had quit an area in the old Covered End because he'd had enough of the racist stuff over there. I sat in the old F Block for four years soon after that, and didn't hear anything at all along those lines.
That all said, I have more recently seen our away fans (youngsters) abuse black stewards. Not racially abuse, but certainly treat them with less respect than their white counterparts.
The 'vile' holding hands line was a light hearted allusion to some of the posts on here following the Brighton 4-0 thrashing a few years ago it wasn't meant to cause any upset.
But that doesn't mean there isn't still a problem.0 -
I remember when we played Chelsea and Marcel Desailly threw one of his socks into the crowd. There was one old guy at the front of the F Block shouting the N Word and trying to get people riled up. Thankfully everyone looked at him in disgust and i've never seen him since.0
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Wow. Well done Chelsea. With a clear and reasoned justification for a decision being made and not a {...} in sight. Imagine if our club statements read like this and not an old man's fever dream2
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Thought we signed him2
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Very commendable but those fans look like the daytrippers1
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Blatantly only doing that for attention and to look like he cares. No concern for the young children’s faces he’s plastering over social media. What a self-absorbed prick.ForeverAddickted said:8 -
My favourite non Charlton player right now.
His improvement over the last 2/3 seasons has been incredible1 -
Nice of sterling compared to the Mickeys booing the national anthem - wonder why they are hated all over the world, shit stain on English football imo0
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Not sure if this is serious or if I’ve been whooshedJaShea99 said:
Blatantly only doing that for attention and to look like he cares. No concern for the young children’s faces he’s plastering over social media. What a self-absorbed prick.ForeverAddickted said:
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And yet I can’t help but feel he could deliver more. That one-on-one was typical of him. City create so many unmissable chances even he can’t miss all of them!stackitsteve said:My favourite non Charlton player right now.
His improvement over the last 2/3 seasons has been incredible0 -
Have been really impressed by Sterling and by the way he has answered many of his critics. Really pleased for him.1
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hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Have been really impressed by Sterling and by the way he has answered many of his critics. Really pleased for him.He was always potentially a world class player - he now is.Don't underestimate the influence of one particular Spanish manager in that transformation.2
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Should have won the Nobel Peace Prize.
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The reason it isn't amusing is context. We have a professional game where there are no openly gay players.palarsehater said:All depends on what you call offensive chanting. I’ve heard homophobic in a sense against Brighton - although I don’t see too much wrong with does your boyfriend know your here, got a few Brighton supporting pals and they see no issue and find it quite amusing. Jihadi John song a few times - again no issue as the guy was a terrorist and anyone that takes offence to that must be a sympathiser. Been attending Charlton games for 20 years and I’ve never heard any racist language, others may have but I haven’t sit north upper and don’t my fair share of away games.
I haven't heard racist language at Charlton in a long time either, and I think it would be challenged if some ignorant, pathetic low life tried to use it. But we must be vigilant, racists probably attend games, they just know their comments are not welcome. We have to keep it that way.0 -
Shortlisted for BBC Sports Personality of the Year1
