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Can be either. Depends what’s in the contract. % of profit more common than % of feeNapaAddick said:Are sell on fees on the whole fee, or just the portion above the original sell price?0 -
They are normally an agreed percentage of the profit on the original fee paidNapaAddick said:Are sell on fees on the whole fee, or just the portion above the original sell price?0 -
If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B. Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a buyer.Anyone guess which he will do?
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Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.NapaAddick said:If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B. Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a buyer.Anyone guess which he will do?
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.2 -
We might get another trench out of it.1
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My full time job is using creative accounting to get Manchester City around FFP. I use to work for Chelsea, but now that they have a transfer ban, they don't want me anymore.LargeAddick said:Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting.
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See my hazy posts elsewhere but I have been told that some sides negotiate sell-ons on the whole fee, not the profit. Imagine if we sold Lookman for £10m, Leipzig paid £9m because Everton chose not to play him. We get nothing, for Leipzig he bangs in 25 and is sold to Barca for £70m. Not our fault, not Leipzig or Barca. Everton who get a sell-on from Leipzig, so they should pay for their mistake, not because they bought in a rising market.LargeAddick said:
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.NapaAddick said:If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B. Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a buyer.Anyone guess which he will do?
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.3 -
So with Lookman + Konsa’s moves this summer, plus what Gomez is likely with now we are talking about three players collectively valued at around £100M, that’s pretty incredible work by our academy.12
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That's pretty amazing given our whole club is only worth £77M.se9addick said:So with Lookman + Konsa’s moves this summer, plus what Gomez is likely with now we are talking about three players collectively valued at around £100M, that’s pretty incredible work by our academy.
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Don’t forget sell on clauses are usually a percentage of PROFIT rather than the whole fee. Would think that max would be £2m. Hopefully Lee can at least get Jonny Williams a bit more to temp him to sign.0
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And we maximised what £15m-£20m of that monetary wise and prolly zero value footballing wise for us as a club (as in success with them playing for us)se9addick said:So with Lookman + Konsa’s moves this summer, plus what Gomez is likely with now we are talking about three players collectively valued at around £100M, that’s pretty incredible work by our academy.
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He was talking in $LargeAddick said:
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.NapaAddick said:If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B. Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a buyer.Anyone guess which he will do?
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.0 -
He was talking in $LargeAddick said:
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.NapaAddick said:If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B. Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a buyer.Anyone guess which he will do?
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.0 -
I’m pleased he’s left Everton. Wasn’t getting enough minutes and was wasted playing there. It appears Welbeck will have his position.
Hopefully, playing in Germany will kick start his career.9 -
I think a lot of this is based on Marco Silva's comments about his lack of desire.ForeverAddickted said:Does my head in reading Everton fan views that he had a bad attitude and that they're glad he's gone - Cant blame the poor lad for being pissed off last season; Helped Leipzig into the Europa League (missing out on the Champions League by two points) and his parent club (not even in Europe last season) sign someone else
Not to mention the fact that his "advisors" are apparently his coaches from his days @ Waterloo FC so straight away reeks of bad attitude doesnt it!!
From as recently as March:
"He needs to understand what the coach wants coming from him, and any winger in our model, because, after that, the quality he has. He is a young football player but, being honest with you, I expect Ademola to be on a different level already this season."“I keep believing, 100%, in his quality as a football player, there are no doubts about that, but what I want to see coming from him is the same desire coming from him, each day, to achieve that, to reach that level he wants and the level I believe he can play at."
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I’d be surprised if this were the case. You sell a player for say 30m. He’s a total flop and you offload him for 10m. Yet you still have to pay his previous club 2m of that. So you are rewarding a club for selling you a dud?harveys_gardener said:
See my hazy posts elsewhere but I have been told that some sides negotiate sell-ons on the whole fee, not the profit. Imagine if we sold Lookman for £10m, Leipzig paid £9m because Everton chose not to play him. We get nothing, for Leipzig he bangs in 25 and is sold to Barca for £70m. Not our fault, not Leipzig or Barca. Everton who get a sell-on from Leipzig, so they should pay for their mistake, not because they bought in a rising market.LargeAddick said:
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.NapaAddick said:If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B. Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a buyer.Anyone guess which he will do?
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.
I’m sure there are people on here who can shred a bit more light on this.0 -
Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?5 -
That's a chance the club takes surely.LargeAddick said:
I’d be surprised if this were the case. You sell a player for say 30m. He’s a total flop and you offload him for 10m. Yet you still have to pay his previous club 2m of that. So you are rewarding a club for selling you a dud?harveys_gardener said:
See my hazy posts elsewhere but I have been told that some sides negotiate sell-ons on the whole fee, not the profit. Imagine if we sold Lookman for £10m, Leipzig paid £9m because Everton chose not to play him. We get nothing, for Leipzig he bangs in 25 and is sold to Barca for £70m. Not our fault, not Leipzig or Barca. Everton who get a sell-on from Leipzig, so they should pay for their mistake, not because they bought in a rising market.LargeAddick said:
Napa, I can see where you got your 77m from, creative accounting. How the hell do you get 4.5m? Even if we say Lookman left us for Everton for 8m (may have been nearer 11m) and Leipzig are paying 22m then 22m less 8m equals 14m profit x 20% equals 2.8m max. 4.5m is pie in the sky.NapaAddick said:If we have a 20% Lookman sell-on fee, that's a whopping £4.5M. Let's see which option Roland will go for with all that money...
A. Give it to Lee to buy Bielik outright for £4.5M.
B. Give it to Lee to buy Cullen outright for £2.5M + increase our bid to land Herbie Kane on loan + have to wages to pay Oztumer and probably someone else.
C. Pocket all that money for himself, which, with the additional £6M of Championship money coming in, allows him to break-even for 2019-20, thus allowing him to hold out one more year for a buyer.Anyone guess which he will do?
not that it matters one iota because Bowyer will see none of it.
I’m sure there are people on here who can shred a bit more light on this.
In the same way that they buy a player for 30m and he turns out to be amazing and is sold for 100m.
However, i think the majority of sell on fees are based on a % of any profit on the player.0 -
Our role in Lookman is pretty small really. Signed from Waterloo aged 16 then sold 3 years later for a decent feese9addick said:So with Lookman + Konsa’s moves this summer, plus what Gomez is likely with now we are talking about three players collectively valued at around £100M, that’s pretty incredible work by our academy.
By contrast the fees for Konsa and Gomez were much smaller AND we had them from a younger age, so the "expense" of developing them was much higher1 -
The fact that Silva describes Ademola as a winger can explain why his stay at Everton was not wholly successful.1
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I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.AFKABartram said:Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.1 -
Southampton also had to cough up as Lallana had a sell on clause dating back to when they signed him from Bournemouth as a boy!Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.AFKABartram said:Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.0 -
I’d class £3m as significantChris_from_Sidcup said:
I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.AFKABartram said:Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.0 -
AFKABartram said:
I’d class £3m as significantChris_from_Sidcup said:
I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.AFKABartram said:Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.
to me and you yes but to Roland?0 -
It's considerably higher than this years transfer budget.LargeAddick said:AFKABartram said:
I’d class £3m as significantChris_from_Sidcup said:
I honestly don't expect it to be that high, perhaps 3m max.AFKABartram said:Suspect it’s quite a significant sell on fee. The base we would have received from Everton would have been quite low as he hasn’t really done much there to trigger whatever the add ons would have been.
the stupidly hopeful side of me hopes that deals like these may be the final straw that tips Roland into a sale. Surely our club is less valuable today than it was yesterday given a potential open betting slip has just won and been cashed?
I remember when QPR got 8m when Sterling moved from Liverpool to City.
On the other side of it, Southampton massively fucked up with Bale. They apparently had a sell on clause of 20-25%, but financial difficulties meant they chose to cancel the clause in exchange for 1.5m. Bale then went for £85m, meaning Southampton missed out on about £20m.
to me and you yes but to Roland?1 -
Do we know if sell on clauses were actually agreed, it could well have been we wanted one and they said no we will give you say £11m with no sell on clause. I would say the same with all the others probably do not have a sell on clause an oversight from who did the negotiations0
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Oh dear...you're not pointing a finger at Katrien are you???magic1999 said:Do we know if sell on clauses were actually agreed, it could well have been we wanted one and they said no we will give you say £11m with no sell on clause. I would say the same with all the others probably do not have a sell on clause an oversight from who did the negotiations1 -
I spoke to the delightful Ms Meire when we sold Ademola and she said she deliberately inflated the price because she knew "the owners at Everton were both very wealthy and very stupid."
Sincerely hoping for a good sell-on too
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Just need to scroll back a page........Callumcafc said:EveshamAddick said:
Roland will be dusting off the sell on clause documentation.NorthStandUltra said:Everton agree deal for Lookman to go to RB Leipzig, fee is £22.5m
oh wait... I0 -
I hope his career is revived over there. Everton have truly damaged his development.16
