When will UEFA take racism seriously?

smudge7946 said:

What did England expect was going to happen?

It was hardly a surprise. Montenegro is a crappy little Eastern European country that was till recently just Serbia b!tch, spend years at war with its neighbours, Slovaks and Novaks, prior to that was owned by a bunch of commies and prior to that got rolled over by the Nazis.

An absolute pussweed of a nation that will never achieve anything. From a football point of view, they have no chance in the Euros and waste everyone's time, money and effort by entering qualification. If we wanted to watch a one side league we can go watch Scottish football. 

The Montenegrians should stick to eating goats or what ever crappy mediveil thing they do that passes for culture in that dogs @rse place of the world they reside in. 

Probably as unrealistic and irrelevant to judge an entire nation and its merits and qualities on a group of ignorant football fans as it would be to cast dispersions on the quality of a football message board based on the inane ramblings of some of its thick as pig shit, intellectually deprived contributors to be fair.

smudge7946 said:

Chizz said:

I think someone's come up with the "do you think that was racist? Hold my beer" post of the week. 

Chizz, learn the difference between. Rudeness and Racism. 

Once you've mastered that, learn humility and apologise. 

I doubt there will be any need to hold anyone's beer on that one. 

Perhaps I misinterpreted what you posted. 

When you posted that Montenegro is
and that the 
you were demonstrating that you're absolutely not a racist.  Is that right?  You've promulgated those views in order to demonstrate how you don't exhibit any racism?  And that, by contrast, anyone misinterpreting your invective as being racist is, in fact, utterly mistaking fair comment and "rudeness" for racism?  

If that's the case, great.  Because it's a fascinating point of view.  Although, I'm afraid it's one that's utterly flawed.  And if it's not true, and, in fact, you were just spewing racist views because you felt like it, and you thought a thread about racism was the best place for it, can I suggest you have a long word with yourself?  Preferably a rude one. 

Probably more because it is very close - just across the Adriatic.

Juventus' teenage Italian striker Moise Kean (whose parents are Ivorian) was subject to racist abuse at Cagliari last night.

Quite remarkably after the game, both his manager Allegri and team mate Bonucci, said Kean should shoulder some of the blame for celebrating his late goal in front of the Cagliari fans. Seemingly ignoring the fact that he was abused during the game before he scored, and also the fact that Blase Matuidi suffered racist abuse in the same stadium last season.

Now i fully expect Cagliari to try to brush it under the carpet (their president said it was boo's not racist abuse) but if you can't even rely on your own manager or team mates to have your back, then what chance have players got of UEFA doing anything?

If i was Kean or his agent, i'd be wanting a meeting with the club today asking them to explain what the fuck they're doing not backing up a 19 year old kid.

cafcdave123 said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Juventus' teenage Italian striker Moise Kean (whose parents are Ivorian) was subject to racist abuse at Cagliari last night.

Quite remarkably after the game, both his manager Allegri and team mate Bonucci, said Kean should shoulder some of the blame for celebrating his late goal in front of the Cagliari fans. Seemingly ignoring the fact that he was abused during the game before he scored, and also the fact that Blase Matuidi suffered racist abuse in the same stadium last season.

Now i fully expect Cagliari to try to brush it under the carpet (their president said it was boo's not racist abuse) but if you can't even rely on your own manager or team mates to have your back, then what chance have players got of UEFA doing anything?

If i was Kean or his agent, i'd be wanting a meeting with the club today asking them to explain what the fuck they're doing not backing up a 19 year old kid.

What if they believe that he was just being booed for something he’d done?

should they go along with the accusations of racism if they don’t believe it was the case?

Bonucci's quote - “There were racist jeers after the goal, Blaise heard it and was angered. I think the blame is 50-50, because Moise shouldn’t have celebrated like that"

Allegri - he shouldn't have celebrated in that manner, he's a young man and he has to learn, but certain things from the crowd also shouldn't be heard"

They clearly heard racist abuse.........but are partly blaming Kean. Incredible really.

And this is the 'celebration'

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/04/amateur-cup-final-abandoned-racial-abuse-players-walk-off-wymeswold-crosby

Good on them.

i see Danny rose was in the papers today saying it is so bad that he cannot wait to retire, goes without saying that it should not happen and tbh i don't know how much of it goes on in prem but i have never heard any ( that players would hear ) at the valley. 

danny rose is on 60k a week if he did want to pursue a different career there would not be much stopping him - of course he shouldn't have to give up because of racist abuse

thoughts?

SuedeAdidas said:

This is why I posted the link just before you commented. 

I 100% agree that players should not have to endure this.....but I found the way that some of it was worded a little odd. 

I obviously cannot know how he feels - but I reckon if my employment was that painful.....and I was already that loaded....I’d walk now.

i also thought it odd how he states the typical fines are as much as he spends on a night out. 

didn't see your link, but i am with you if you hated it that much you would give up now as on that sort of wage he could live quite comforatably, and move into coaching/management etc. not its so painful but ill quit in 5/6 years time. 

equally if it is so painful to play for england which is where he gets most of this abuse - step aside and someone will lighten you of that burden - we have already discussed how montenegro and serbia ( the 2 examples he gives ) are countries that i imagine do not have a high amount of black/non white players and people there so it is more of an ignorance on there part. 

SuedeAdidas said:

This is why I posted the link just before you commented. 

I 100% agree that players should not have to endure this.....but I found the way that some of it was worded a little odd. 

I obviously cannot know how he feels - but I reckon if my employment was that painful.....and I was already that loaded....I’d walk now.

i also thought it odd how he states the typical fines are as much as he spends on a night out. 

Daily Mail will pick up on that. "Black footballer thinks nothing of spending £40k on a night out"

cafcdave123 said:

SuedeAdidas said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47819994

"When countries get fined what I probably spend on a night out in London what do you expect?"

what a dick

He weren’t spending that much when I saw him in Sipping Room in CW drinking pink cocktails with his mate. 

palarsehater said:

regarding players spending money as a society we mostly live within our means for example for me a treat is something like goodmans steak house, if you are earning 60k a week that would be the equivalent of a Mcdonald's to me. 

I agree - but not something I would have quoted for publication in an article where you are looking to garner public support. 

Raheem talks out, talks sense and backs it up with his own community work.

Danny rose is an idiot. Always running his big mouth.

The sensible view is to see racism in football as a microcosm of racism in society. How Danny rose thinks hanging up his boots is going to improve things...What a wally.

se9addick said:

Danny Rose gets racially abused whilst representing his country. Talks about how he’s sick of it and yet he becomes the bad guy in some people’s eyes, incredible. 

They're condemning the racism, but pointing out how out of touch (maybe?) he is as a player (skin colour not relevant) comparing international football fines to what he'd spend on a night out.

Are you sure it isn't just people treating DR as an equal...

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

se9addick said:

Danny Rose gets racially abused whilst representing his country. Talks about how he’s sick of it and yet he becomes the bad guy in some people’s eyes, incredible. 

They're condemning the racism, but pointing out how out of touch (maybe?) he is as a player (skin colour not relevant) comparing international football fines to what he'd spend on a night out.

Are you sure it isn't just people treating DR as an equal...

But he didn’t just randomly offer that comment, he made it to illustrate the point that fines levied on clubs/national teams for racist behaviour are paltry.

You would have to purposely want to take that comment out of context to make his comment some sort of affront to the working man rather than about UEFA’s shoddy handling of racist incidents.