The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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I suspect Duchatelet will try to run the club without a proper management team in place.1
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And the fact that RD did not do full and thorough DD when he bought the club, which has really come back to bite him on the arse if what I am told is true.Henry Irving said:
How do you know they aren't close?J BLOCK said:
No, because they've been sniffing around for a year and still aren't close to completing this thing. False dawn after false dawn, enough is enough.roseandcrown said:
How do you come to that conclusion?J BLOCK said:Aussies can fuck off now, had enough of it. They clearly haven't got the funds, just walk now and put an end to it.
Because they dont want to pay 7 million to pay of ex directors, why should they?
And if they haven't completed is that all, or even partially, their fault?
And the false dawns have come from other people saying it's "happening when we know what division we're in", "It's all part of his two year strategy to sell", "it will happen next week".
The current issue seems to be over the £7m debentures, an issue that Roland totally overlooked in his rush to buy the club.
The Aussies aren't to blame for that just as they aren't to blame for relegation, the huge debt, driving away other potential buyers, the mismanagement of the club or the unrealistic asking price. That's all done to one man.
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shirty5 said:
Don't be too sure about that trying to second guess that individualTaxi_Lad said:Still no SMT in place so assume RD still expecting sale to go through
Aren’t there rules meaning he won’t be allowed to do that?Isawsummersplay said:I suspect Duchatelet will try to run the club without a proper management team in place.
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There's only one reason this deal isn't going through and that is a deluded, arrogant, greedy Belgian halfwit. Why should the Aussies pay even more over the odds than they already are for RD's incompetence?13
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Doesn't inspire confidence even if the Aussies complete the takeover with all this messing around. Embarrassing being seen with pictures with scarves at the Shrewsbury game for it then to not happen.4
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No they don't, they come from the fact they have been negotiating a year and we STILL have not been taken over.Henry Irving said:
How do you know they aren't close?J BLOCK said:
No, because they've been sniffing around for a year and still aren't close to completing this thing. False dawn after false dawn, enough is enough.roseandcrown said:
How do you come to that conclusion?J BLOCK said:Aussies can fuck off now, had enough of it. They clearly haven't got the funds, just walk now and put an end to it.
Because they dont want to pay 7 million to pay of ex directors, why should they?
And if they haven't completed is that all, or even partially, their fault?
And the false dawns have come from other people saying it's "happening when we know what division we're in", "It's all part of his two year strategy to sell", "it will happen next week".
The current issue seems to be over the £7m debentures, an issue that Roland totally overlooked in his rush to buy the club.
The Aussies aren't to blame for that just as they aren't to blame for relegation, the huge debt, driving away other potential buyers, the mismanagement of the club or the unrealistic asking price. That's all down to one man.
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Lord I'd love to see the luxurious accommodation they have been booked into in Portugal!HarryLime said:
Kehone with the money he's saved on breakfastsaddick05 said:Apologies if this has been answered somewhere else - but who is paying for the team trip to Portugal? And, who authorised the signing /negotiating of salary of the Wimbledon lad?
Sounds like a youth hostel to me, with six to a room.0 -
But did the Aussies come out and say the club was for sale in December? No.J BLOCK said:
No they don't, they come from the fact they have been negotiating a year and we STILL have not been taken over.Henry Irving said:
How do you know they aren't close?J BLOCK said:
No, because they've been sniffing around for a year and still aren't close to completing this thing. False dawn after false dawn, enough is enough.roseandcrown said:
How do you come to that conclusion?J BLOCK said:Aussies can fuck off now, had enough of it. They clearly haven't got the funds, just walk now and put an end to it.
Because they dont want to pay 7 million to pay of ex directors, why should they?
And if they haven't completed is that all, or even partially, their fault?
And the false dawns have come from other people saying it's "happening when we know what division we're in", "It's all part of his two year strategy to sell", "it will happen next week".
The current issue seems to be over the £7m debentures, an issue that Roland totally overlooked in his rush to buy the club.
The Aussies aren't to blame for that just as they aren't to blame for relegation, the huge debt, driving away other potential buyers, the mismanagement of the club or the unrealistic asking price. That's all down to one man.
WIOTOS
Or that the deal could be done in February? No
They have been trying, and maybe they are at fault, maybe it is all their fault but why could no one else do a deal with Roland. While did Donald Muir's group say it was too expensive, why aren't the megarich Saudis owners already?, why aren't Varney's buyers running the club
One common factor in all those other deals breaking down and it's Duchatelet.34 -
They may well be back by the time of the next home game. From what I've heard.cafcsinger said:Doesn't inspire confidence even if the Aussies complete the takeover with all this messing around. Embarrassing being seen with pictures with scarves at the Shrewsbury game for it then to not happen.
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Ok, but why is that? If you don't know then it's very unfair to blame either party for the hold up.J BLOCK said:
No they don't, they come from the fact they have been negotiating a year and we STILL have not been taken over.Henry Irving said:
How do you know they aren't close?J BLOCK said:
No, because they've been sniffing around for a year and still aren't close to completing this thing. False dawn after false dawn, enough is enough.roseandcrown said:
How do you come to that conclusion?J BLOCK said:Aussies can fuck off now, had enough of it. They clearly haven't got the funds, just walk now and put an end to it.
Because they dont want to pay 7 million to pay of ex directors, why should they?
And if they haven't completed is that all, or even partially, their fault?
And the false dawns have come from other people saying it's "happening when we know what division we're in", "It's all part of his two year strategy to sell", "it will happen next week".
The current issue seems to be over the £7m debentures, an issue that Roland totally overlooked in his rush to buy the club.
The Aussies aren't to blame for that just as they aren't to blame for relegation, the huge debt, driving away other potential buyers, the mismanagement of the club or the unrealistic asking price. That's all down to one man.
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We still just have to wait and see what happens. Whilst we've been given snippets of information from a number of different sources, most of it is conflicting and it's extremely difficult to build up a proper picture of exactly why things have taken so long.
I've sometimes grown tired of seeing @Henry Irving posting WIOTOS about various topics, but I think in this particular case, waiting for official information to come from the club is probably the best plan.0 -
Did i reference those events as being the cause of my original comment?Henry Irving said:
But did the Aussies come out and say the club was for sale in December? No.J BLOCK said:
No they don't, they come from the fact they have been negotiating a year and we STILL have not been taken over.Henry Irving said:
How do you know they aren't close?J BLOCK said:
No, because they've been sniffing around for a year and still aren't close to completing this thing. False dawn after false dawn, enough is enough.roseandcrown said:
How do you come to that conclusion?J BLOCK said:Aussies can fuck off now, had enough of it. They clearly haven't got the funds, just walk now and put an end to it.
Because they dont want to pay 7 million to pay of ex directors, why should they?
And if they haven't completed is that all, or even partially, their fault?
And the false dawns have come from other people saying it's "happening when we know what division we're in", "It's all part of his two year strategy to sell", "it will happen next week".
The current issue seems to be over the £7m debentures, an issue that Roland totally overlooked in his rush to buy the club.
The Aussies aren't to blame for that just as they aren't to blame for relegation, the huge debt, driving away other potential buyers, the mismanagement of the club or the unrealistic asking price. That's all down to one man.
WIOTOS
Or that the deal could be done in February? No
They have been trying, and maybe they are at fault, maybe it is all their fault but why could no one else do a deal with Roland. While did Donald Muir's group say it was too expensive, why aren't the megarich Saudis owners already?, why aren't Varney's buyers running the club
One common factor in all those other deals breaking down and it's Duchatelet.0 -
No, but they were "false dawns" and you said "False dawn after false dawn, enough is enough."J BLOCK said:
Did i reference those events as being the cause of my original comment?Henry Irving said:
But did the Aussies come out and say the club was for sale in December? No.J BLOCK said:
No they don't, they come from the fact they have been negotiating a year and we STILL have not been taken over.Henry Irving said:
How do you know they aren't close?J BLOCK said:
No, because they've been sniffing around for a year and still aren't close to completing this thing. False dawn after false dawn, enough is enough.roseandcrown said:
How do you come to that conclusion?J BLOCK said:Aussies can fuck off now, had enough of it. They clearly haven't got the funds, just walk now and put an end to it.
Because they dont want to pay 7 million to pay of ex directors, why should they?
And if they haven't completed is that all, or even partially, their fault?
And the false dawns have come from other people saying it's "happening when we know what division we're in", "It's all part of his two year strategy to sell", "it will happen next week".
The current issue seems to be over the £7m debentures, an issue that Roland totally overlooked in his rush to buy the club.
The Aussies aren't to blame for that just as they aren't to blame for relegation, the huge debt, driving away other potential buyers, the mismanagement of the club or the unrealistic asking price. That's all down to one man.
WIOTOS
Or that the deal could be done in February? No
They have been trying, and maybe they are at fault, maybe it is all their fault but why could no one else do a deal with Roland. While did Donald Muir's group say it was too expensive, why aren't the megarich Saudis owners already?, why aren't Varney's buyers running the club
One common factor in all those other deals breaking down and it's Duchatelet.
I'm not sure any of the false dawns were heralded by the Aussies.1 -
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They should only accept any less than full settlement if it’s part of a contract for the sale process of the whole club and not a way of separating the club and ground..
Edit: perhaps they could convert the remainder of their loans to club unsecured debt or equity? But I guess in that circumstance they’d be expected to invest further2 -
Unless that's £50m a year for the next 5 years they can do one.Nug said:
That's just an assumption though. No-one has a clue, just because they don't want to pay over the odds doesn't mean they don't have the funds. They may have earmarked £40M for the purchase and then £50M for the next 5 years....who knows? I doubt they're trying to scrape the purchase price together and then they've got nothing. I'd rather a collective of business acumen than one lone nutter owning us.J BLOCK said:Aussies can fuck off now, had enough of it. They clearly haven't got the funds, just walk now and put an end to it.
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Whilst I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt given the individual they are trying to purchase the club from, there is no doubt in my mind that Muir's appearance at the home play off game draped in a scarf was somewhat presumptive. I am sure that in hindsight he and his colleagues regret that.4
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They won't if they buy the club.robinofottershaw said:Whilst I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt given the individual they are trying to purchase the club from, there is no doubt in my mind that Muir's appearance at the home play off game draped in a scarf was somewhat presumptive. I am sure that in hindsight he and his colleagues regret that.
Or if like many they don't have regrets, instead they learn lessons
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Is it that different from this? Would it have been different if he hadn't worn a Charlton scarf?robinofottershaw said:Whilst I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt given the individual they are trying to purchase the club from, there is no doubt in my mind that Muir's appearance at the home play off game draped in a scarf was somewhat presumptive. I am sure that in hindsight he and his colleagues regret that.
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Yes.Scoham said:
Is it that different from this? Would it have been different if he hadn't worn a Charlton scarf?robinofottershaw said:Whilst I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt given the individual they are trying to purchase the club from, there is no doubt in my mind that Muir's appearance at the home play off game draped in a scarf was somewhat presumptive. I am sure that in hindsight he and his colleagues regret that.
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I reckon Andrew Muir isn't the only person to have turned up at the Valley with a Charlton scarf on and ended up a few weeks later not being the club's owner.
I'll even admit it's happened to me a few times.53 -
Of course it would have been different if he hadn't worn a Charlton scarf. Maybe fans are being naive, but it sends a clear signal that the club was in the hands of new owners.Scoham said:
Is it that different from this? Would it have been different if he hadn't worn a Charlton scarf?robinofottershaw said:Whilst I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt given the individual they are trying to purchase the club from, there is no doubt in my mind that Muir's appearance at the home play off game draped in a scarf was somewhat presumptive. I am sure that in hindsight he and his colleagues regret that.
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Why would they convert secure debt to unsecured debt?razil said:They should only accept any less than full settlement if it’s part of a contract for the sale process of the whole club and not a way of separating the club and ground..
Edit: perhaps they could convert the remainder of their loans to club unsecured debt or equity? But I guess in that circumstance they’d be expected to invest further4 -
Maybe, but who within the club authorised it?Henry Irving said:
I guess Harry Lennon paid for the trip to Portugaladdick05 said:Apologies if this has been answered somewhere else - but who is paying for the team trip to Portugal? And, who authorised the signing /negotiating of salary of the Wimbledon lad?
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Eh.. come on then!! Spill the beansChizz said:
They may well be back by the time if the next home game. From what I've heard.cafcsinger said:Doesn't inspire confidence even if the Aussies complete the takeover with all this messing around. Embarrassing being seen with pictures with scarves at the Shrewsbury game for it then to not happen.
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Cos Douchebag doesn't do failure.Henry Irving said:
Why would they convert secure debt to unsecured debt?razil said:They should only accept any less than full settlement if it’s part of a contract for the sale process of the whole club and not a way of separating the club and ground..
Edit: perhaps they could convert the remainder of their loans to club unsecured debt or equity? But I guess in that circumstance they’d be expected to invest further0 -
Can only be RDaddick05 said:
Maybe, but who within the club authorised it?Henry Irving said:
I guess Harry Lennon paid for the trip to Portugaladdick05 said:Apologies if this has been answered somewhere else - but who is paying for the team trip to Portugal? And, who authorised the signing /negotiating of salary of the Wimbledon lad?
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Brilliant - post of the week !!Chizz said:I reckon Andrew Muir isn't the only person to have turned up at the Valley with a Charlton scarf on and ended up a few weeks later not being the club's owner.
I'll even admit it's happened to me a few times.3 -
No, it sent a clear signal that he'd bought or been given a scarf. Anything more was wishful thinking on the part of the fans.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Of course it would have been different if he hadn't worn a Charlton scarf. Maybe fans are being naive, but it sends a clear signal that the club was in the hands of new owners.Scoham said:
Is it that different from this? Would it have been different if he hadn't worn a Charlton scarf?robinofottershaw said:Whilst I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt given the individual they are trying to purchase the club from, there is no doubt in my mind that Muir's appearance at the home play off game draped in a scarf was somewhat presumptive. I am sure that in hindsight he and his colleagues regret that.
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When he attended the game wearing a scarf he was deliberately sending a signal to fans that he was close to buying the club. To try and spin any other meaning to that event is an insult to the intelligence of every Charlton fan.Henry Irving said:
No, it sent a clear signal that he'd bought or been given a scarf. Anything more was wishful thinking on the part of the fans.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Of course it would have been different if he hadn't worn a Charlton scarf. Maybe fans are being naive, but it sends a clear signal that the club was in the hands of new owners.Scoham said:
Is it that different from this? Would it have been different if he hadn't worn a Charlton scarf?robinofottershaw said:Whilst I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt given the individual they are trying to purchase the club from, there is no doubt in my mind that Muir's appearance at the home play off game draped in a scarf was somewhat presumptive. I am sure that in hindsight he and his colleagues regret that.
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