The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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I think it's just that Roland has been watching The Pure Hell of St. Trinian's and it's given him another brilliant idea...Covered_End_Lad said:Cawley tweeting that we are now going away on a pre-season tour, imagine this means the takeover is even further away
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I heard that one of the people involved in the British consortium is still involved in another Club. But I could be lying, who knows?nth london addick said:
It’s a bloody good question Tbh and one I don’t know the answer tooThe Red Robin said:
What's the delay with the British consortium then? Now that we accept they exist.Airman Brown said:
Or blame them and use the situation to try to lever the ex-directors to take a deal so he can get a long-term rental income.Scoham said:
Impose it on them unless they prove they have the funds to buy 100%?Airman Brown said:b
What you said was useful and it seemed fair to acknowledge that, but you made a big thing about the Aussies wanting to lease the ground because they don’t have the money. I’m hearing it’s the opposite way round, with RD looking to impose it on them.nth london addick said:
So just so I am clear and this is not meant in an any sort of annoying wayThe Red Robin said:
Everything I said on sat is now being reported to AB and posted
So I had no agenda @Grapevine49 @JamesSeed I was merely posting what I had heard
Deadline this week
RD trying to remove debt
If successful and the debt was removed to help aid Aussie take over a lease back was being discussed
If not the Aussies have to find clear funds by this week
British consortium are reviewing situation and ready to step in
Now I guess that makes me not a liar not trouble Maker for anyone
Apologies accepted in advance
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How there can there be no second bidder, if there is a second interested party?Swisdom said:I heard there is no second bidder (as of last week)
and the interested party don't want Murray anywhere near it
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I still don't believe another buyer exists. It's just Roland trying to put pressure on the Aussies.2
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As I understand it the ex directors cannot refuse FULL repayment of their loans and that RD had tried to cut a deal or he was not prepared to satisfy the repayment terms as per the debentures. Therefore a lease on the Valley cannot be granted without ALL the debenture holders agreement.Arsenetatters said:@Airman Brown I've read your latest VOTV article and it's given me some hope if I've understood it correctly. Can you reassure me please?
- it only needs one ex director to refuse the debt to be cleared by RD and he can't lease out the Valley
- the ex-directors can refuse to have the debt paid (this bit I don't get)
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being dyslexic i might be wrong but aint they different words ?2
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Any conspiracies around the moving of the Welling fixture need to be revisited and updated.
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They are and it's my take on it.Goonerhater said:being dyslexic i might be wrong but aint they different words ?
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How many times has it changed now? I've lost count.0
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I only believe this thread is at 1000 pages WIOTOS.0
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four I think but who knowsHantsAddick said:How many times has it changed now? I've lost count.
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One would be enough to block a lease, if he chose to do so, but they can’t refuse 100 per cent repayment.Arsenetatters said:@Airman Brown I've read your latest VOTV article and it's given me some hope if I've understood it correctly. Can you reassure me please?
- it only needs one ex director to refuse the debt to be cleared by RD and he can't lease out the Valley
- the ex-directors can refuse to have the debt paid (this bit I don't get)
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It’s not gonna happen ... is it0
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Thank you @RedChaserRedChaser said:
As I understand it the ex directors cannot refuse FULL repayment of their loans and that RD had tried to cut a deal or he was not prepared to satisfy the repayment terms as per the debentures. Therefore a lease on the Valley cannot be granted without ALL the debenture holders agreement.Arsenetatters said:@Airman Brown I've read your latest VOTV article and it's given me some hope if I've understood it correctly. Can you reassure me please?
- it only needs one ex director to refuse the debt to be cleared by RD and he can't lease out the Valley
- the ex-directors can refuse to have the debt paid (this bit I don't get)
Thank you
So if Roland did pay out according to the repayment terms he could lease the Valley?
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If the dept to the ex directors is offered in full they cannot refuse.Arsenetatters said:@Airman Brown I've read your latest VOTV article and it's given me some hope if I've understood it correctly. Can you reassure me please?
- it only needs one ex director to refuse the debt to be cleared by RD and he can't lease out the Valley
- the ex-directors can refuse to have the debt paid (this bit I don't get)
Thank you
It's only if they are offered less than they are owed that they can do this.0 -
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5b310eec5b7fa/addicks-to-head-to-portugal-for-pre-season-training-campshirty5 said:
The Welling friendly?sammy391 said:It’s not gonna happen ... is it
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So Swisdom saying no second bidder and Airman saying there is.0
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Only one way to settle this.....ShootersHillGuru said:So Swisdom saying no second bidder and Airman saying there is.
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Last week I was told there is one bid on the table. It’s from the Aussies. No other ‘bids’ShootersHillGuru said:So Swisdom saying no second bidder and Airman saying there is.
There may be other interested parties but they hadn’t bid last week
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Thanks @Airman Brown (just seen your post)Airman Brown said:
One would be enough to block a lease, if he chose to do so, but they can’t refuse 100 per cent repayment.Arsenetatters said:@Airman Brown I've read your latest VOTV article and it's given me some hope if I've understood it correctly. Can you reassure me please?
- it only needs one ex director to refuse the debt to be cleared by RD and he can't lease out the Valley
- the ex-directors can refuse to have the debt paid (this bit I don't get)
Thank you
This seems like bad news to me.0 -
Yes that's it, clear all the debt secured by the ex directors debentures and the Valley becomes unencumbered (free of charges).Arsenetatters said:
Thank you @RedChaserRedChaser said:
As I understand it the ex directors cannot refuse FULL repayment of their loans and that RD had tried to cut a deal or he was not prepared to satisfy the repayment terms as per the debentures. Therefore a lease on the Valley cannot be granted without ALL the debenture holders agreement.Arsenetatters said:@Airman Brown I've read your latest VOTV article and it's given me some hope if I've understood it correctly. Can you reassure me please?
- it only needs one ex director to refuse the debt to be cleared by RD and he can't lease out the Valley
- the ex-directors can refuse to have the debt paid (this bit I don't get)
Thank you
So if Roland did pay out according to the repayment terms he could lease the Valley?
What's a debenture?
Mortgage Debentures per se are Legal charges usually sought by banks from Limited Companies who have lending facilities which are regarded as security attaching all assets of the company both fixed (including specific charges over land) and floating over all current assets i.e. the debtor book.
Without seeing the actual terms of the debentures entered into it is difficult to comment further but it would appear four directors were happy to give priority (agree to a lease and sign a deed to this effect) and three weren't because full repayment has not been offered.0 -
Thank you @RedChaserRedChaser said:
Yes that's it, clear all the debt secured by the ex directors debentures and the Valley becomes unencumbered (free of charges).Arsenetatters said:
Thank you @RedChaserRedChaser said:
As I understand it the ex directors cannot refuse FULL repayment of their loans and that RD had tried to cut a deal or he was not prepared to satisfy the repayment terms as per the debentures. Therefore a lease on the Valley cannot be granted without ALL the debenture holders agreement.Arsenetatters said:@Airman Brown I've read your latest VOTV article and it's given me some hope if I've understood it correctly. Can you reassure me please?
- it only needs one ex director to refuse the debt to be cleared by RD and he can't lease out the Valley
- the ex-directors can refuse to have the debt paid (this bit I don't get)
Thank you
So if Roland did pay out according to the repayment terms he could lease the Valley?
What's a debenture?
Mortgage Debentures per se are Legal charges usually sought by banks from Limited Companies who have lending facilities which are regarded as security attaching all assets of the company both fixed (including specific charges over land) and floating over all current assets i.e. the debtor book.
Without seeing the actual terms of the debentures entered into it is difficulty to comment further but it would appear four directors were happy to give priority (sign a deed to this effect) and three weren't because full repayment has not been offered.
This confirms my fear that he'll pay them all off and try to lease the Valley.
It also reminds me why I don't work in finance. Chickens are so much easier to understand.10 -
@Airman Brown
Am I right in thinking that the ex directors blocking the purchase of debt is a GOOD thing rather than a bad?
Your article gave the impression that it was a negative, however I can see that as being the only thing stopping RD from keeping the ground etc but selling the club0 -
Wasnt there the rumour that another consortium had matched the Aussie bid but the structure of payment was different. Or did I just make that up. Im so confused now.0
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After 14 notifications it seems I need to respond.
I will argue the posts from sundry parties since my last contribution prove my point. There are so many stories out there nobody apart from those at the negotiating tables can be certain of their information beyond the fact the takeover has not been completed with EFL approval.
I have made no suggestion NLA has an agenda. If I had it would have put me in the same category as the "miscreants" the other night.
My argument is the tone of the message, the persistence of its repetition, the nature of the information/ disinformation, the positioning of the argument indicate to me (as I clearly stated) someone somewhere has an agenda.
I have not even attached any negative connotation to such agenda. Due to the nature of the argument I could but unlike the scenarios faced within 40yrs of the corporate world I am not close enough to the parties to determine the ambition of such an agenda.
Unless you are a party directly involved with the negotiations, bound by NDAs, someone linked to those negotiations is sharing what they believe to be true. I have been to far too many meetings with where people actually at the same meeting walked away with entirely different perceptions all before they added their own influence to the information. It is precisely why people take minutes.
Thus by definition such information is 2nd or 3rd hand and for every layer open to further "interpretation" all of which ignores the point, until the deal is done or not done, people play games.
IF the deal means separation of the ownership of club and ground I will reserve judgement as to what that means for the future of the club until the details are known. I have stressed it is not ideal but it has to be viewed in the context of where we are today and how we get out of this friggin mess. In such event the devil will be in the detail.
In terms of negotiations I lost count of the lendings I declined as a bank manager because the customer was not investing sufficient equity into the deal. It is amazing what people will do when push comes to shove. I would estimate at least 60% came back with a more appropriate application or greater equity investment.
With this level of investment there are no guarantees. In 1993 I spent 6 months on a team working with a US bank to launch a joint venture. We even announced the deal at a conference in NY. The US bank paid for the industry conference and the celebratory dinner. The CEO of the Financial Corporation who owned the US bank killed the deal at the dinner table.
In 1995 I spent 2 weeks in NY thrashing out the same deal with another US Bank. We shook hands on the deal on a Friday. Monday morning we received a letter to buy us out!!!
In 1997/8 I spent 18 months working on a different joint venture with a technology company in Texas. They walked away once. We walked away once. We shook hands on the deal twice and then the bank was subject to a takeover bid and the funding was pulled.
Fortunately I was somewhat more successful with other negotiations or I would have been out of a job.
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For us there is ultimately only one man who knows where he will allow ithe numbers to fall and even he will not know whether he can indeed walk away with what he wants.
Thus I can but repeat the nature of the debate which transpired served nobody.
If the Australians decide to walk away we are left with what exactly?
I have no problem with anyone sharing what they are hearing but at any given point unless you are sitting at the negotiating table 24/7 there is no call to attack or aggressively dismiss anyone.
Such an approach shuts people down and reduces the flow of information. Who exactly does that serve?
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YOU’RE confused.......so are the rest of us Shooters!ShootersHillGuru said:Wasnt there the rumour that another consortium had matched the Aussie bid but the structure of payment was different. Or did I just make that up. Im so confused now.
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Oh the okey cokey...Chizz said:Any conspiracies around the moving of the Welling fixture need to be revisited and updated.
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