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IS members want their British citizenship back

moutuakilla
moutuakilla Posts: 7,568
edited March 2018 in Not Sports Related
Two captured IS members are complaining about losing their British citizenship

Some of their complaints are that they are at risk of torture and that they won't get a fair trail. Sounds right up their street after what they have been up to.

I don't see how they can walk away from British values and fight against it and then want the benefits of it.

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out...
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  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,568
    Riviera said:

    I just do not understand why the media have tagged them The Beatles. I find this sick and disgusting and wish people would stop doing so.

    True. Title changed.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Yeah, I'd hate to be compared to an overrated scouse band from the 60s, no matter what I'd done!
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,142
    Behead them...job done.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Torture would be a fantastic start
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    DA9 said:

    Don’t worry, good old Jezza Corbyn will pick this up and fight for their rights, then blame Israel & the residents of Golders Green for their dilemma.

    No he won't.
  • theeenorth
    theeenorth Posts: 2,277
    Indeed no state no law. Fundamental problem for promoting rule of law if you then ignore it. Should be treated in same way as Mladic
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    They may hate it but the rules are the rules whether you hate it or love it. That's the difference between us and them and is what makes us civilised.

    By no means should they go free but neither should they be left stateless.
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,588
    Riviera said:

    I just do not understand why the media have tagged them The Beatles. I find this sick and disgusting and wish people would stop doing so.

    True. There's no evidence that either of these two used to beat their women.

    But on a less flippant note. the media didn't come up with the name apparently, their own fellow scumbags did. No excuse for the media using it though.
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    Riviera said:

    I just do not understand why the media have tagged them The Beatles. I find this sick and disgusting and wish people would stop doing so.

    For the sake of clarity, it wasn't "the media" that started that. It was a nickname given to them by their hostages because of their accents.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited March 2018
    To be honest, as long as they never again see the light of day, I don't care what citizenship they have.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    To be honest, as long as they never again see the light of day, I don't care what citizenship they have.

    Yeah, bang em up where, after a few years, they'll be in the main population and trying to radicalise anyone who'll listen
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    ValleyGary said:

    Torture would be a fantastic start

    It really wouldn't.
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,210
    A “pass me the popcorn” thread if I’ve ever see one, not getting involved, cough torture sounds good to me cough cough, not getting involved.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    edited March 2018
    1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
    2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
    3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

    That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
    2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
    3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

    That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    To be honest, as long as they never again see the light of day, I don't care what citizenship they have.

    Yeah, bang em up where, after a few years, they'll be in the main population and trying to radicalise anyone who'll listen
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,210
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
    2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
    3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

    That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

    4. Allow them to radicalise others in prison.
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  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,359
    I’m sure they will get better treatment where they are now than where they were.
    As long as they get a fair trial. We must be better than these thugs.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,443
    Try them for treason if we're being serious about this. I'm sick to death of the garbage these people spout and their behaviour - the law needs to be used effectively.

  • mistrollingin
    mistrollingin Posts: 3,868
    Make them go and watch Oxford United every week.
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,550
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
    2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
    3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

    That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

    If I broke the law in Russia or Cost Rica or anywhere else I would expect to be tried in the country I broke the law. I understand that there are practical problems in this case. Syria has little in the way of a legal process just now.

    Personally, I am amazed that the Kurds didn't summarily execute them and shows how civilised they are compared to just about all the other protagonists in the conflict.
  • fadgadget
    fadgadget Posts: 1,391
    DA9 said:

    Don’t worry, good old Jezza Corbyn will pick this up and fight for their rights, then blame Israel & the residents of Golders Green for their dilemma.

    He Wont , But Cherie Blair will .
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    edited March 2018
    Bit of water boarding, knock them about a bit, get them to grass up a few more radicals, say they fell over, send them down in solitary confinement.
  • Mr. Happy
    Mr. Happy Posts: 653
    mistrollingin said:

    Make them go and watch Oxford United every week.

    Steady on.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    TellyTubby said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
    2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
    3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

    That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

    Syria has little in the way of a legal process just now.
    Tough shit. No one forced them to go there and fight.

    Let whatever legal process there is left in Syria go through it's course and punish them by Syrian laws.

    Did humanitarian aid workers Alan Henning and David Haines, both UK citizens helping locals caught up in this jihad, get a fair trial before they were beheaded by these scum? And it was these scum who did it by their own admission - along with 25 other Western hostages.
  • up_the_valley
    up_the_valley Posts: 4,186
    Addickted said:

    TellyTubby said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
    2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
    3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

    That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

    Syria has little in the way of a legal process just now.
    Tough shit. No one forced them to go there and fight.

    Let whatever legal process there is left in Syria go through it's course and punish them by Syrian laws.

    Did humanitarian aid workers Alan Henning and David Haines, both UK citizens helping locals caught up in this jihad, get a fair trial before they were beheaded by these scum? And it was these scum who did it by their own admission - along with 25 other Western hostages.
    Well said. British citizenship is supposed to mean British values and integration. They threw their own passports away with their behaviour.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    If they're first generation immigrants we should revoke their passports and leave them too their fate. I'd consider revoking the citizenship/right to remain of immediate family members too. Anything that gives the next wave of religious nutters pause for thought is fine by me.

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