IS members want their British citizenship back

moutuakilla

Two captured IS members are complaining about losing their British citizenship

Some of their complaints are that they are at risk of torture and that they won't get a fair trail. Sounds right up their street after what they have been up to.

I don't see how they can walk away from British values and fight against it and then want the benefits of it.

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out...

Riviera

I just do not understand why the media have tagged them The Beatles. I find this sick and disgusting and wish people would stop doing so.

moutuakilla

Riviera said:

I just do not understand why the media have tagged them The Beatles. I find this sick and disgusting and wish people would stop doing so.

True. Title changed.

i_b_b_o_r_g

Yeah, I'd hate to be compared to an overrated scouse band from the 60s, no matter what I'd done!

Chippycafc

Behead them...job done.

i_b_b_o_r_g

Their music weren't that bad Chip mate, just a little overrated mate

DA9

Don’t worry, good old Jezza Corbyn will pick this up and fight for their rights, then blame Israel & the residents of Golders Green for their dilemma.

ValleyGary

Torture would be a fantastic start

MuttleyCAFC

DA9 said:

Don’t worry, good old Jezza Corbyn will pick this up and fight for their rights, then blame Israel & the residents of Golders Green for their dilemma.

No he won't.

Henry Irving

MuttleyCAFC said:

DA9 said:

Don’t worry, good old Jezza Corbyn will pick this up and fight for their rights, then blame Israel & the residents of Golders Green for their dilemma.

No he won't.

Maybe not but enough of his cult followers will.

In terms of international law, the UK is in a difficult situation because this is why states can't take away citizenship so leaving the problem to someone else.

But that does not mean I have the slightest sympathy for these murdering, torturing cowards who having endorsed a hate cult now want the protection of the secular, liberal democracy that they claim to hate and reject.

theeenorth

Indeed no state no law. Fundamental problem for promoting rule of law if you then ignore it. Should be treated in same way as Mladic

Callumcafc

They may hate it but the rules are the rules whether you hate it or love it. That's the difference between us and them and is what makes us civilised.

By no means should they go free but neither should they be left stateless.

DRAddick

Riviera said:

I just do not understand why the media have tagged them The Beatles. I find this sick and disgusting and wish people would stop doing so.

True. There's no evidence that either of these two used to beat their women.

But on a less flippant note. the media didn't come up with the name apparently, their own fellow scumbags did. No excuse for the media using it though.

cafcfan

Riviera said:

I just do not understand why the media have tagged them The Beatles. I find this sick and disgusting and wish people would stop doing so.

For the sake of clarity, it wasn't "the media" that started that. It was a nickname given to them by their hostages because of their accents.

MuttleyCAFC

To be honest, as long as they never again see the light of day, I don't care what citizenship they have.

i_b_b_o_r_g

MuttleyCAFC said:

To be honest, as long as they never again see the light of day, I don't care what citizenship they have.

Yeah, bang em up where, after a few years, they'll be in the main population and trying to radicalise anyone who'll listen

NornIrishAddick

ValleyGary said:

Torture would be a fantastic start

It really wouldn't.

BR7_addick

A “pass me the popcorn” thread if I’ve ever see one, not getting involved, cough torture sounds good to me cough cough, not getting involved.

ShootersHillGuru

1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

i_b_b_o_r_g

ShootersHillGuru said:

1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

To be honest, as long as they never again see the light of day, I don't care what citizenship they have.

Yeah, bang em up where, after a few years, they'll be in the main population and trying to radicalise anyone who'll listen

BR7_addick

ShootersHillGuru said:

1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

4. Allow them to radicalise others in prison.

charltonkeston

I’m sure they will get better treatment where they are now than where they were.
As long as they get a fair trial. We must be better than these thugs.

hoof_it_up_to_benty

Try them for treason if we're being serious about this. I'm sick to death of the garbage these people spout and their behaviour - the law needs to be used effectively.

mistrollingin

Make them go and watch Oxford United every week.

TellyTubby

ShootersHillGuru said:

1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

If I broke the law in Russia or Cost Rica or anywhere else I would expect to be tried in the country I broke the law. I understand that there are practical problems in this case. Syria has little in the way of a legal process just now.

Personally, I am amazed that the Kurds didn't summarily execute them and shows how civilised they are compared to just about all the other protagonists in the conflict.

fadgadget

DA9 said:

Don’t worry, good old Jezza Corbyn will pick this up and fight for their rights, then blame Israel & the residents of Golders Green for their dilemma.

He Wont , But Cherie Blair will .

ValleyGary

Bit of water boarding, knock them about a bit, get them to grass up a few more radicals, say they fell over, send them down in solitary confinement.

Mr. Happy

mistrollingin said:

Make them go and watch Oxford United every week.

Steady on.

Addickted

TellyTubby said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

Syria has little in the way of a legal process just now.

Tough shit. No one forced them to go there and fight.

Let whatever legal process there is left in Syria go through it's course and punish them by Syrian laws.

Did humanitarian aid workers Alan Henning and David Haines, both UK citizens helping locals caught up in this jihad, get a fair trial before they were beheaded by these scum? And it was these scum who did it by their own admission - along with 25 other Western hostages.

up_the_valley

Addickted said:

TellyTubby said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

1. Reinstate their British citizenship.
2. Put them on trail in a British Courtroom judged by their peers.
3. If they are found guilty then sentence them according to the law.

That’s how the law works in a democracy. I don’t see a problem with it at all.

Syria has little in the way of a legal process just now.

Tough shit. No one forced them to go there and fight.

Let whatever legal process there is left in Syria go through it's course and punish them by Syrian laws.

Did humanitarian aid workers Alan Henning and David Haines, both UK citizens helping locals caught up in this jihad, get a fair trial before they were beheaded by these scum? And it was these scum who did it by their own admission - along with 25 other Western hostages.

Well said. British citizenship is supposed to mean British values and integration. They threw their own passports away with their behaviour.

SantaClaus

If they're first generation immigrants we should revoke their passports and leave them too their fate. I'd consider revoking the citizenship/right to remain of immediate family members too. Anything that gives the next wave of religious nutters pause for thought is fine by me.