The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Please forgive me if it's been mentioned before but if so, I have missed it.
In the News Shopper article re JJ's retirement, it states " The Addicks' captain will hang up his boots at the end of the season to take up a full time, first team coaching role at The Valley".
My question is, who would authorise this deal with JJ from the current regime IF RD is expected to have slung his hook before the start of next season ?
JJ sounds very upbeat & confident in the interview - almost as though he's 100% certain that this agreement will be secure regardless of who's "in charge".
So, reflecting on this, should we be asking ourselves whether JJ has met with the man/woman riding the white charger that's champing at the bit just outside the main gates in SE7 ?
And if so, is it likely to be someone that he ( and we) already know , with more than a financial interest in our club ?4 -
He's not a mug, but at the time we all thought it was odd that two parties have agreed a price and its in the hands of their respective lawyers, and that we were just waiting for them to finish the paperwork. Who in their right mind spends money on legal fees for a contract only to get beaten to the finishing post by their quicker competitor. Did Murray challenge this line and its implausibility?
I think that how the conversations have gone are RD has given a price, both parties have said "yeah right will get back to you".
RD has either interpreted that as in the hands of their lawyers or has misled Murray that its closer.1 -
The fact that anyone on here believes anything that comes out of the valley is absolutely amazing to me, the whole culture over the past 4/5 years has been to trot out half truths and lies.5
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I thought the coaching role had already been agreed by those at the club either past or present?Fanny Fanackapan said:Please forgive me if it's been mentioned before but if so, I have missed it.
In the News Shopper article re JJ's retirement, it states " The Addicks' captain will hang up his boots at the end of the season to take up a full time, first team coaching role at The Valley".
My question is, who would authorise this deal with JJ from the current regime IF RD is expected to have slung his hook before the start of next season ?
JJ sounds very upbeat & confident in the interview - almost as though he's 100% certain that this agreement will be secure regardless of who's "in charge".
So, reflecting on this, should we be asking ourselves whether JJ has met with the man/woman riding the white charger that's champing at the bit just outside the main gates in SE7 ?
And if so, is it likely to be someone that he ( and we) already know , with more than a financial interest in our club ?
This being the case I would assume JJ will hope any new owner honours the deal, if they don't fancy him in that role it will be pay off time.
Sorry if I have de-tingled your humbug
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Oh Fanny, don't get my hopes up, I'd just about resigned myself to another year or so of this fiasco, now you've gone and given me hope again. Curse youFanny Fanackapan said:Please forgive me if it's been mentioned before but if so, I have missed it.
In the News Shopper article re JJ's retirement, it states " The Addicks' captain will hang up his boots at the end of the season to take up a full time, first team coaching role at The Valley".
My question is, who would authorise this deal with JJ from the current regime IF RD is expected to have slung his hook before the start of next season ?
JJ sounds very upbeat & confident in the interview - almost as though he's 100% certain that this agreement will be secure regardless of who's "in charge".
So, reflecting on this, should we be asking ourselves whether JJ has met with the man/woman riding the white charger that's champing at the bit just outside the main gates in SE7 ?
And if so, is it likely to be someone that he ( and we) already know , with more than a financial interest in our club ?
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A bit of a whopper it would appear.Dazzler21 said:
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.Karim_myBagheri said:
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
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Then it comes down to either Richsrd is lying to us or Duchatelet is lying to him. If it’s the former which I personally doubt then he is completely finished as far as Charlton are concerned. If it is the second then why would Richard feel any allegiance to Duchatelet.Arsenetatters said:
Murray has sat beside Roland and Katrien, smiling, supporting and endorsing them. He's just Roland's mouthpiece. He'll say what he's told to say - even if it's swearing black is white.ShootersHillGuru said:
If Murray is being spun a line then he’s a proud enough and independent enough man to tell us and spill the beans. As Airman says above. Murray is not a mug. What has he got to lose. At present any reputation he has is diminishing at a rate of knots. Step up to the plate Mr. Murray.DessieValley said:Reading the above and the more I think about it, it sounds like Murray and Robbo have been spun a yarn.
It all read odd at the time but it's seeming more and more like lies from the Belgium side, which in fairness Murray should have spotted and questioned. Trouble is we all want good news so are looking for it, whether it is there or not.
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Maybe he believes him?ShootersHillGuru said:
Then it comes down to either Richsrd is lying to us or Duchatelet is lying to him. If it’s the former which I personally doubt then he is completely finished as far as Charlton are concerned. If it is the second then why would Richard feel any allegiance to Duchatelet.Arsenetatters said:
Murray has sat beside Roland and Katrien, smiling, supporting and endorsing them. He's just Roland's mouthpiece. He'll say what he's told to say - even if it's swearing black is white.ShootersHillGuru said:
If Murray is being spun a line then he’s a proud enough and independent enough man to tell us and spill the beans. As Airman says above. Murray is not a mug. What has he got to lose. At present any reputation he has is diminishing at a rate of knots. Step up to the plate Mr. Murray.DessieValley said:Reading the above and the more I think about it, it sounds like Murray and Robbo have been spun a yarn.
It all read odd at the time but it's seeming more and more like lies from the Belgium side, which in fairness Murray should have spotted and questioned. Trouble is we all want good news so are looking for it, whether it is there or not.1 -
Murray is not stupid.Arsenetatters said:
Maybe he believes him?ShootersHillGuru said:
Then it comes down to either Richsrd is lying to us or Duchatelet is lying to him. If it’s the former which I personally doubt then he is completely finished as far as Charlton are concerned. If it is the second then why would Richard feel any allegiance to Duchatelet.Arsenetatters said:
Murray has sat beside Roland and Katrien, smiling, supporting and endorsing them. He's just Roland's mouthpiece. He'll say what he's told to say - even if it's swearing black is white.ShootersHillGuru said:
If Murray is being spun a line then he’s a proud enough and independent enough man to tell us and spill the beans. As Airman says above. Murray is not a mug. What has he got to lose. At present any reputation he has is diminishing at a rate of knots. Step up to the plate Mr. Murray.DessieValley said:Reading the above and the more I think about it, it sounds like Murray and Robbo have been spun a yarn.
It all read odd at the time but it's seeming more and more like lies from the Belgium side, which in fairness Murray should have spotted and questioned. Trouble is we all want good news so are looking for it, whether it is there or not.
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Duchatelet needs to sell more badly than the prospective buyer wanting to take us over.Davidsmith said:
If deal done when League we are in is known,which could be a month or at most 2, then with right cash pot there is plenty of time.Dazzler21 said:
This is so short sighted.Davidsmith said:
Ask yourselves what is the rush,Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
*and as long as this doesn't drag on until July/August then there is still plenty of time to sort out squad.
The longer we are stuck with Robinson the less time a decent manager has to look at:
- What they have in the squad
- Analyse player potential
- Decide on what deadwood needs releasing/selling
- Finding what player options there are to replace/improve upon current players
- Building a management, coaching and scouting team.
- Working out the best formations (plural) to get the best out of the players
Quite a lot of work that needs to be done long before the transfer window opens, then on getting into a position we are ready for the new season...
You are also assuming that the buyers don't have a scouting team and contacts all ready to go, they will have watched us play multiple times ,so will know who to keep and who to get rid of.
Why pay £5mn or more over the top when you can use that money for squad when you arrive.
That is assuming Roland gets realistic about price otherwise there will be no deal.
Hopefully a waiting game will mean Duchatelet folding and selling up this summer.0 - Sponsored links:
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If he isn't stupid then surely he wouldn't endorse a useless pair in RD and KM to royally balls up our club.ShootersHillGuru said:
Murray is not stupid.Arsenetatters said:
Maybe he believes him?ShootersHillGuru said:
Then it comes down to either Richsrd is lying to us or Duchatelet is lying to him. If it’s the former which I personally doubt then he is completely finished as far as Charlton are concerned. If it is the second then why would Richard feel any allegiance to Duchatelet.Arsenetatters said:
Murray has sat beside Roland and Katrien, smiling, supporting and endorsing them. He's just Roland's mouthpiece. He'll say what he's told to say - even if it's swearing black is white.ShootersHillGuru said:
If Murray is being spun a line then he’s a proud enough and independent enough man to tell us and spill the beans. As Airman says above. Murray is not a mug. What has he got to lose. At present any reputation he has is diminishing at a rate of knots. Step up to the plate Mr. Murray.DessieValley said:Reading the above and the more I think about it, it sounds like Murray and Robbo have been spun a yarn.
It all read odd at the time but it's seeming more and more like lies from the Belgium side, which in fairness Murray should have spotted and questioned. Trouble is we all want good news so are looking for it, whether it is there or not.6 -
We don't know.ElfsborgAddick said:
A bit of a whopper it would appear.Dazzler21 said:
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.Karim_myBagheri said:
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
It may have been said it good faith as that was what Murray had been told by Duchalelet.
It may even have been true at the time Murray was told it but subsequently Duchatelet changed his mind again.
Or it could have all been a lie and the club has never been up for sale or the sale had not been agreed.
Personally I think Duchatelet version of reality isn't the same as anyone else's so what he says often isn't true or it is so twisted and confused that it doesn't match how the buyers see it.
WIOTOS doesn't mean the OS is the only truth or that no one else knows anything.
What WIOTOS is that that will be the final and definitive confirmation that the takeover has been 100% completed.1 -
My pleasure, HL.HarryLime said:
Oh Fanny, don't get my hopes up, I'd just about resigned myself to another year or so of this fiasco, now you've gone and given me hope again. Curse youFanny Fanackapan said:Please forgive me if it's been mentioned before but if so, I have missed it.
In the News Shopper article re JJ's retirement, it states " The Addicks' captain will hang up his boots at the end of the season to take up a full time, first team coaching role at The Valley".
My question is, who would authorise this deal with JJ from the current regime IF RD is expected to have slung his hook before the start of next season ?
JJ sounds very upbeat & confident in the interview - almost as though he's 100% certain that this agreement will be secure regardless of who's "in charge".
So, reflecting on this, should we be asking ourselves whether JJ has met with the man/woman riding the white charger that's champing at the bit just outside the main gates in SE7 ?
And if so, is it likely to be someone that he ( and we) already know , with more than a financial interest in our club ?1 -
Sorry to be picky but they have exceeded Duchatelet and Meire’s I’ll informed and idiotic expectations.cafc-west said:
Suspect its all about the sell-on agreements - Gomez, Gudmunsson, Pope have all exceeded career expectations and will almost certainly complicate the negotiations as to what happens to any sell on amounts.Dazzler21 said:
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.Karim_myBagheri said:
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
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Perhaps the buyers' are playing with Duchatelet, after all they are in a very strong position. They may have agreed the price and then backed off.3
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Companies House will be that.Henry Irving said:
We don't know.ElfsborgAddick said:
A bit of a whopper it would appear.Dazzler21 said:
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.Karim_myBagheri said:
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
It may have been said it good faith as that was what Murray had been told by Duchalelet.
It may even have been true at the time Murray was told it but subsequently Duchatelet changed his mind again.
Or it could have all been a lie and the club has never been up for sale or the sale had not been agreed.
Personally I think Duchatelet version of reality isn't the same as anyone else's so what he says often isn't true or it is so twisted and confused that it doesn't match how the buyers see it.
WIOTOS doesn't mean the OS is the only truth or that no one else knows anything.
What WIOTOS is that that will be the final and definitive confirmation that the takeover has been 100% completed.1 -
Spot onAirman Brown said:
If you’re right, Redhenry, then that is not a reasonable interpretation of Murray’s Feb 28th statement. Quite apart from the fact that nobody would think two parties agreeing a price and terms would be agreeing that is what the seller wants but not to pay it, Murray said all that remained was the contract.Redhenry said:
This.Karim_myBagheri said:
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
Whatever people think of Murray, he is not a mug. He knows the difference.
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This takeover saga is more convoluted and annoying than a day dress shopping with the wife.0
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Buy your own dresses thencfgs said:This takeover saga is more convoluted and annoying than a day dress shopping with the wife.
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I find mine online from specialist website, until I found it I had no idea there was so much latex in the world.Henry Irving said:
Buy your own dresses thencfgs said:This takeover saga is more convoluted and annoying than a day dress shopping with the wife.
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Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?22 -
Thanks @Chizz nice for a change to have a professional on the scene when it comes to summaries...5
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Anyone who thought of believed that we were ever close or remotely close to being sold must surely now accept that they have been misslead and probably deliberately lied too0
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Arguably that is only half trueHartleypete said:The fact that anyone on here believes anything that comes out of the valley is absolutely amazing to me, the whole culture over the past 4/5 years has been to trot out half truths and lies.
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I don't think that's the case, to be honest, except in the sense that no one ever knows what the mad bastard in Belgium is going to do next. A huge amount of time and money has been spent on professional services towards a sale - that isn't where we were this time last year.nth london addick said:Anyone who thought of believed that we were ever close or remotely close to being sold must surely now accept that they have been misslead and probably deliberately lied too
Meire has gone and not been replaced, which relates directly to a sale.
Murray would not have gone on the record in the way he has unless he believed it was likely to happen. Even if you buy the argument that he was desperate to avoid protests, that level of public deception would be the end of him at Charlton. If he didn't want protests on January 20th, what are likely to be the consequences for his reputation of his story unwinding now?
But I do think - and have always thought - that the sole reason for the December 28th announcement about Duchatelet selling was to cover his humiliation that Meire had walked out on him - the omnipotent one had to show he was in control of events, even though he wasn't.15 -
If the "buyers" are still hanging about then presumably they have done DD, before undertaking DD would they not have had some idea of the sale price before spending thousands on DD ?Chizz said:Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
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And do we yet know why done deal is not yet done deal? What might you know as to the actual hold up or is it all speculation at this moment?Airman Brown said:
I don't think that's the case, to be honest, except in the sense that no one ever knows what the mad bastard in Belgium is going to do next. A huge amount of time and money has been spent on professional services towards a sale - that isn't where we were this time last year.nth london addick said:Anyone who thought of believed that we were ever close or remotely close to being sold must surely now accept that they have been misslead and probably deliberately lied too
Meire has gone and not been replaced, which relates directly to a sale.
Murray would not have gone on the record in the way he has unless he believed it was likely to happen. Even if you buy the argument that he was desperate to avoid protests, that level of public deception would be the end of him at Charlton. If he didn't want protests on January 20th, what are likely to be the consequences for his reputation of his story unwinding now?
But I do think - and have always thought - that the sole reason for the December 28th announcement about Duchatelet selling was to cover his humiliation that Meire had walked out on him - the omnipotent one had to show he was in control of events, even though he wasn't.
I ask because I really can’t see why RD would wish to prevaricate unless it’s purely because there is a real possibility for him of securing a better price and that seems unlikely to me (based on no knowledge).
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Yes definitely - but normally DD would show up things that would support a re-negotiation of the provisional asking price - assuming, of course; that the seller is of rational, sane, mind...charltonbob said:
If the "buyers" are still hanging about then presumably they have done DD, before undertaking DD would they not have had some idea of the sale price before spending thousands on DD ?Chizz said:Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
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I think Roland Out is prolonging these negotiations purely to increase the tourism in Sint Truden.5
