i was never in the robinson out camp until after these 2 results and his last couple of interviews. cant help myself but im starting to think the guys an utter prick? dross football, wank statements, ive just about had enough 9f his bollocks. im now of the opinion of when/if the takeover happens i do think a fresh approach and start is required now.
Never thought I'd say this but I'm so fed up with everything Charlton at the minute, from the scumbag owner, the clueless and out-of-depth manager to the couldn't give a toss players. Giving serious consideration to going to Bromley on Saturday (FA Trophy semi-final). At least the players of both sides (hopefully) will be giving their all.</ See you there
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
If the price had been agreed with 2 parties then that is not the case.
Apparently only one of the two remains, I am therefore left questioning whether they are now threatening to also pull out over Roland's delay tactics... Maybe another party is sniffing around and RD wants to know what they might offer?
Pure conjecture, but there's a risk that could end up being accurate.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.
Suspect its all about the sell-on agreements - Gomez, Gudmunsson, Pope have all exceeded career expectations and will almost certainly complicate the negotiations as to what happens to any sell on amounts.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.
Suspect its all about the sell-on agreements - Gomez, Gudmunsson, Pope have all exceeded career expectations and will almost certainly complicate the negotiations as to what happens to any sell on amounts.
I disagree on Gomez, but agree Pope and Gudmundsson have adapted better than expected.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.
yeah. problem is i dont know who's got the right information? should In theory be Murray as he's closer but I'm not sure I can trust him after all that's gone on. was he just saying that to get the fans to simmer down a bit instead of making matters worse that RD is being stubborn and unrealistic with his evaluation of the club. which then causes fans to think it could all fall through because of those reasons and we end up stuck him for a lot longer than we thought at the beginning of the for sale rumours.
unless of course its what @cafc-west and its become complicated in the areas such a sell ons
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
It has stalled because Roland shopped around and jerked people around. Now buyer(s) can see likelihood of us getting Promoted diminishing fast and are playing a waiting game. Ask yourselves what is the rush, why take on monthly losses ,price today has to be lower than January when we were in a better position, and most buyers left at £50mn asking price. Every £1mn cheaper the club can be purchased at pays for a month of losses, and as long as this doesn't drag on until July/August then there is still plenty of time to sort out squad. Roland is going to have to drop his asking price or keep building up debt through monthly losses, while club crumbles and its value disappears. If it happens soon it is because Roland has blinked in the game of Poker going on.
We were told it [the takeover] was going to be happening in January and we couldn’t do anything because no one knew what was going on. We can’t afford a summer like that.
I’m aware that Karl Robinson must have had some idea what he was walking into when he took the job but who knows what promises or undertakings Duchatelet and Meire gave him? I don’t think anyone should underestimate how awful it must be to work in this environment. The battle for the heart and soul of our football club must be taken to Belgium.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
Ask yourselves what is the rush, *and as long as this doesn't drag on until July/August then there is still plenty of time to sort out squad.
This is so short sighted.
The longer we are stuck with Robinson the less time a decent manager has to look at:
- What they have in the squad
- Analyse player potential
- Decide on what deadwood needs releasing/selling
- Finding what player options there are to replace/improve upon current players
- Building a management, coaching and scouting team.
- Working out the best formations (plural) to get the best out of the players
Quite a lot of work that needs to be done long before the transfer window opens, then on getting into a position we are ready for the new season...
Agree totally. Getting the off-field stuff right will also take time. If we don't get new owners by the end of the season then next season's campaign can be virtually written-off. That may seem overly dramatic but it is indicative of the amount of planning required for a club to be successful on and off the filed.
Karl Robinson has admitted that Charlton’s summer transfer plans – plus key contract renewals – have had to be put on ice until the club’ s takeover talks become clearer.....
Please link to the site rather than copy pieces verbatim onto here. It’s not fair.
Seems to me that the ranks are finally being broken a bit here. I am never been a fan particularly of KR, finding his original spin on the dynamic duo and telling us what he was going to achieve here a touch patronising and irritating. But it seems to me he is getting close to reverting to his original proclamation that the club is a "basket case". Perhaps he should just come out and give it both barrels. I cannot see he has got that much to lose. If he gets the tin tack, well he might walk away with some dignity intact (and possibly some compensation, who knows). We all knew the club was a mess when KR took the reins, and I doubted he would change that, despite his initial rosy words of praise for the gang of two and his comments about bringing back unity. It's a busted flush now. Tell it exactly how it is now, Karl. Tell the world what it's really like with Duchatelet. Don't mince your words. And you might be able to leave with a football reputation intact. And possibly more of our support
Charlton boss Karl Robinson wants takeover answers from Roland Duchatelet.
The unpopular Addicks owner spoke publicly about his desire to sell the club in December. Despite agreeing a price with two parties for a takeover last month, nothing has materialised.
And just like the fans, who have been frustrated by the continual delays, Robinson wants the deal completed as soon as possible.
He said: “We gave an update the other day - it’s not as close as we were led to believe. But again, I spoke to everyone on Monday, Tuesday night and will do so again today.
“I’m sort of the shield in some ways. It needs to be resolved. If anyone’s got any questions, they need to speak to the owner at the end of the day. It’s got to come from that level.
“None of us can tell you the truth. Someone’s got to get in contact and ask the question. You need an official line of where the club is at, fans, players and staff deserve it.
“That will be a lot fairer on everyone else if there was an update from the horse’s mouth in some ways. So that would be my tip of the day.”
Charlton director Richard Murray has given fans takeover updates throughout the season.
He claimed a deal was “a few weeks away” from being done last month - and with the latest delays - the former Addicks chairman has been criticised by supporters.
On the pitch, Charlton’s poor form hasn't helped either, they have won just five league games since October.
Robinson added: “Richard is away. Richard is someone who was in charge for many years and loved it.
“He’s still down as an acting director. It’s not down to Richard to speak to you, it’s not fair on him, he’s done it out of his loyalty to this football club.
“He’s been criticised because of it because the timescale wasn't what he said. He was only saying what he was told. I keep saying, whoever is going to buy it, it’s a great club.
“Everything is cleaner now than what it was when I first walked in. We can all walk away and look back and say the club is in a good place to move forward. It’s not now with all the uncertainty, but the players are positive and the fans are just waiting for the news.
“The fans have been very respectful since I’ve been here. I don't recall them getting involved in a negative way.
“No player can say any fan has been a negative influence on the pitch. We’ve been our own negative influence on the pitch. We just want it [the takeover] resolved for everyone.”
I’m aware that Karl Robinson must have had some idea what he was walking into when he took the job but who knows what promises or undertakings Duchatelet and Meire gave him? I don’t think anyone should underestimate how awful it must be to work in this environment. The battle for the heart and soul of our football club must be taken to Belgium.
but Chris Wilder walked away because he didn't get the assurances he wanted so I assume that either Robinson didn't ask for assurances or is just thick.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
Ask yourselves what is the rush, *and as long as this doesn't drag on until July/August then there is still plenty of time to sort out squad.
This is so short sighted.
The longer we are stuck with Robinson the less time a decent manager has to look at:
- What they have in the squad
- Analyse player potential
- Decide on what deadwood needs releasing/selling
- Finding what player options there are to replace/improve upon current players
- Building a management, coaching and scouting team.
- Working out the best formations (plural) to get the best out of the players
Quite a lot of work that needs to be done long before the transfer window opens, then on getting into a position we are ready for the new season...
If deal done when League we are in is known,which could be a month or at most 2, then with right cash pot there is plenty of time. You are also assuming that the buyers don't have a scouting team and contacts all ready to go, they will have watched us play multiple times ,so will know who to keep and who to get rid of. Why pay £5mn or more over the top when you can use that money for squad when you arrive. That is assuming Roland gets realistic about price otherwise there will be no deal.
We were told it [the takeover] was going to be happening in January and we couldn’t do anything because no one knew what was going on. We can’t afford a summer like that.
“
See - Just what I said... Roland/Katrien/David/Richard/Tea Lady I'm available and unlike Curbs I am willing to take a job in league 1.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
This.
If you’re right, Redhenry, then that is not a reasonable interpretation of Murray’s Feb 28th statement. Quite apart from the fact that nobody would think two parties agreeing a price and terms would be agreeing that is what the seller wants but not to pay it, Murray said all that remained was the contract.
Whatever people think of Murray, he is not a mug. He knows the difference.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
This.
If you’re right, Redhenry, then that is not a reasonable interpretation of Murray’s Feb 28th statement. Quite apart from the fact that nobody would think two parties agreeing a price and terms would be agreeing that is what the seller wants but not to pay it, Murray said all that remained was the contract.
Whatever people think of Murray, he is not a mug. He knows the difference.
I agree, but one cannot rule out that Roland may have added to the price since then. For example, Konsa was said to be leaving in January for £5m and that had been presumably been factored in. Say that during the window the bids went up from that to £10m. Could Rolly have added £5m to the price?
Whilst this may seem logical to a non football person like Rolly, others would know that prices in January are over inflated, and of course, potential new owners may not intend selling him.
With Rolly negotiating I can see how an impasse could easily arise. It must be like buying a monopoly property from a 7 year old who is losing the game.
Yes, you can agree on a price but not the detail I suppose e.g. what's included. Two potential buyers strengthened Duchatelet's hand but I presume it is now weakened and it could even be the buyer moving the goalposts. I personally hope he gets as little as he deserves for the club.
If it gets the deal done finally then I could not care less if he somehow walked away with a healthy profit, as at this stage I just want a fresh start under a more regular owner, so I can get back to just being a fan & enjoying the football for better or worse.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
This.
If you’re right, Redhenry, then that is not a reasonable interpretation of Murray’s Feb 28th statement. Quite apart from the fact that nobody would think two parties agreeing a price and terms would be agreeing that is what the seller wants but not to pay it, Murray said all that remained was the contract.
Whatever people think of Murray, he is not a mug. He knows the difference.
This all day long. Two parties knowing the asking price is a million miles from saying a price is agreed with both and the paperwork for finalising the deal is with lawyers.
I’ve said it before but if Murray is being lied to and he knows it then he should tell us. If things have fundamentally changed then he should tell us.
Reading the above and the more I think about it, it sounds like Murray and Robbo have been spun a yarn.
It all read odd at the time but it's seeming more and more like lies from the Belgium side, which in fairness Murray should have spotted and questioned. Trouble is we all want good news so are looking for it, whether it is there or not.
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Apparently only one of the two remains, I am therefore left questioning whether they are now threatening to also pull out over Roland's delay tactics... Maybe another party is sniffing around and RD wants to know what they might offer?
Pure conjecture, but there's a risk that could end up being accurate.
unless of course its what @cafc-west and its become complicated in the areas such a sell ons
Ask yourselves what is the rush, why take on monthly losses ,price today has to be lower than January when we were in a better position, and most buyers left at £50mn asking price.
Every £1mn cheaper the club can be purchased at pays for a month of losses, and as long as this doesn't drag on until July/August then there is still plenty of time to sort out squad.
Roland is going to have to drop his asking price or keep building up debt through monthly losses, while club crumbles and its value disappears.
If it happens soon it is because Roland has blinked in the game of Poker going on.
The longer we are stuck with Robinson the less time a decent manager has to look at:
- What they have in the squad
- Analyse player potential
- Decide on what deadwood needs releasing/selling
- Finding what player options there are to replace/improve upon current players
- Building a management, coaching and scouting team.
- Working out the best formations (plural) to get the best out of the players
Quite a lot of work that needs to be done long before the transfer window opens, then on getting into a position we are ready for the new season...
We were told it [the takeover] was going to be happening in January and we couldn’t do anything because no one knew what was going on. We can’t afford a summer like that.
“
I don’t think anyone should underestimate how awful it must be to work in this environment.
The battle for the heart and soul of our football club must be taken to Belgium.
Edit: Thank you
I am never been a fan particularly of KR, finding his original spin on the dynamic duo and telling us what he was going to achieve here a touch patronising and irritating. But it seems to me he is getting close to reverting to his original proclamation that the club is a "basket case".
Perhaps he should just come out and give it both barrels. I cannot see he has got that much to lose. If he gets the tin tack, well he might walk away with some dignity intact (and possibly some compensation, who knows).
We all knew the club was a mess when KR took the reins, and I doubted he would change that, despite his initial rosy words of praise for the gang of two and his comments about bringing back unity.
It's a busted flush now.
Tell it exactly how it is now, Karl. Tell the world what it's really like with Duchatelet. Don't mince your words.
And you might be able to leave with a football reputation intact. And possibly more of our support
You are also assuming that the buyers don't have a scouting team and contacts all ready to go, they will have watched us play multiple times ,so will know who to keep and who to get rid of.
Why pay £5mn or more over the top when you can use that money for squad when you arrive.
That is assuming Roland gets realistic about price otherwise there will be no deal.
Roland/Katrien/David/Richard/Tea Lady I'm available and unlike Curbs I am willing to take a job in league 1.Whatever people think of Murray, he is not a mug. He knows the difference.
Whilst this may seem logical to a non football person like Rolly, others would know that prices in January are over inflated, and of course, potential new owners may not intend selling him.
With Rolly negotiating I can see how an impasse could easily arise. It must be like buying a monopoly property from a 7 year old who is losing the game.
I’ve said it before but if Murray is being lied to and he knows it then he should tell us. If things have fundamentally changed then he should tell us.
Ball is in your court Richard.
It all read odd at the time but it's seeming more and more like lies from the Belgium side, which in fairness Murray should have spotted and questioned. Trouble is we all want good news so are looking for it, whether it is there or not.