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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:

    At a major tournament like this, the icc should have the power to move the start time at 24 hours notice. I know it's a ball ache for spectators who are expecting a 1.30 start, but everyone knew the forecast & a 10.30 am start would've meant a full game, which is surely better for the tournament!

    Sorry, but you can't bring the start time forward 3 hrs, with just 24 hrs notice.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    The_President said:

    What i dont understand is that the commentators were saying that if its rained off then Bangladesh are out. But surely, if Bangla beat NZ and Eng beat NZ and Oz then NZ will have 1 point and Bangla will have 4 points and OZ having 2 points ?

    Any ideas anyone?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    The_President said:

    The_President said:

    What i dont understand is that the commentators were saying that if its rained off then Bangladesh are out. But surely, if Bangla beat NZ and Eng beat NZ and Oz then NZ will have 1 point and Bangla will have 4 points and OZ having 2 points ?

    Any ideas anyone?
    The commentators are wrong and you are right. The reason I know this to be the case is not just because your logic is correct but that on Betfair you can lay Bangladesh at 240 - whereas if they were out you wouldn't be able to lay them at any price and more likely they wouldn't even be in the market.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    And mathematics makes you right. So basically England have to win one out of their next two games. But if tomorrowis rained off and we lose to Australia and NZ beat Bangladesh we would be out! But if we beat NZ, we will definitely top the group so tomorrow is a massive game.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    And mathematics makes you right. So basically England have to win one out of their next two games. But if tomorrowis rained off and we lose to Australia and NZ beat Bangladesh we would be out! But if we beat NZ, we will definitely top the group so tomorrow is a massive game.

    Tomorrow's forecast is showers throughout, so I'm hoping if they're light and they have decent covers, we'll get a result.

    I think I'd bat second, so you have more idea what the target will be.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Addick Addict said:

    The_President said:

    The_President said:

    What i dont understand is that the commentators were saying that if its rained off then Bangladesh are out. But surely, if Bangla beat NZ and Eng beat NZ and Oz then NZ will have 1 point and Bangla will have 4 points and OZ having 2 points ?

    Any ideas anyone?
    The commentators are wrong and you are right. The reason I know this to be the case is not just because your logic is correct but that on Betfair you can lay Bangladesh at 240 - whereas if they were out you wouldn't be able to lay them at any price and more likely they wouldn't even be in the market.
    not quite true, occasionally on the exchanges like Betfair you can still get a price when it's "impossible" for something to happen as the market does not always update straight away.

    However, President is right and Bangladesh are not out yet. The two rained off games puts us in a strong position, even if we don't get enough play tomorrow.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    cafcfan1990 said:

    Addick Addict said:

    The_President said:

    The_President said:

    What i dont understand is that the commentators were saying that if its rained off then Bangladesh are out. But surely, if Bangla beat NZ and Eng beat NZ and Oz then NZ will have 1 point and Bangla will have 4 points and OZ having 2 points ?

    Any ideas anyone?
    The commentators are wrong and you are right. The reason I know this to be the case is not just because your logic is correct but that on Betfair you can lay Bangladesh at 240 - whereas if they were out you wouldn't be able to lay them at any price and more likely they wouldn't even be in the market.
    not quite true, occasionally on the exchanges like Betfair you can still get a price when it's "impossible" for something to happen as the market does not always update straight away.

    However, President is right and Bangladesh are not out yet. The two rained off games puts us in a strong position, even if we don't get enough play tomorrow.
    I'm sorry it is true in 99.9999% of the time on Betfair - especially so long after a match such as this.

    The only time it does happen is when small punters want to free up their stake so they can bet on the next event. But we weren't talking pennies in this instance - there was hundreds of pounds up there. Equally, sometimes Betfair are slow in removing the selection from the market but, as I say, ordinarily they would have done.

    I should know - I worked for Betfair for more than a decade ;-)
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    The forecast for Cardiff looks bad from 1pm onwards. I think this will be another abandoned game
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Dreadful English weather...
  • kinveachyaddick
    kinveachyaddick Posts: 3,875
    Hmmm. Turned into a bit of a damp squib so far this tournament
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    kinveachyaddick said:

    Hmmm. Turned into a bit of a damp squib so far this tournament

    Yes, 2 games with no result, and 2 where the chasing team collapsed badly. The tournament badly needs an exciting finish
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    The weather forecast for Cardiff today....never mind the rain, look at the wind!

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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Addick Addict said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    Addick Addict said:

    The_President said:

    The_President said:

    What i dont understand is that the commentators were saying that if its rained off then Bangladesh are out. But surely, if Bangla beat NZ and Eng beat NZ and Oz then NZ will have 1 point and Bangla will have 4 points and OZ having 2 points ?

    Any ideas anyone?
    The commentators are wrong and you are right. The reason I know this to be the case is not just because your logic is correct but that on Betfair you can lay Bangladesh at 240 - whereas if they were out you wouldn't be able to lay them at any price and more likely they wouldn't even be in the market.
    not quite true, occasionally on the exchanges like Betfair you can still get a price when it's "impossible" for something to happen as the market does not always update straight away.

    However, President is right and Bangladesh are not out yet. The two rained off games puts us in a strong position, even if we don't get enough play tomorrow.
    I'm sorry it is true in 99.9999% of the time on Betfair - especially so long after a match such as this.

    The only time it does happen is when small punters want to free up their stake so they can bet on the next event. But we weren't talking pennies in this instance - there was hundreds of pounds up there. Equally, sometimes Betfair are slow in removing the selection from the market but, as I say, ordinarily they would have done.

    I should know - I worked for Betfair for more than a decade ;-)
    And I have done a large amount of matched betting where I use the exchanges a lot.

    I do agree that its true most of the time, just not always. And yes its now a good amount of time, but last night when the figures were posted the match had not long been finished.

    I have seen it a lot in the tennis when a player gets knocked out, their odds can still be something like 500-1, perhaps people laying £10000 for an easy £20.

    It's perhaps more often seen on Smarkets than Betfair as they are a smaller and quite frankly worse site.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    England have stuck with Roy which is no real shock, although I am surprised they stuck with Ball. I don't doubt Rashid would have replaced him if Woakes were fit, still surprised he is playing, I thought Willey might have got a game.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Willey was poor against S Africa. Not that it matters, as there's very little chance that England will get to bowl anyway!
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    killerandflash said:

    Willey was poor against S Africa. Not that it matters, as there's very little chance that England will get to bowl anyway!

    Yes but he's been a part of this team that has done so well and Ball was awful against Bangladesh who are not a patch on South Africa
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    Roy out and surely out of the tournament.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Addick Addict said:

    Roy has got just 34 runs in his last 6 innings for England. Watching him at the crease he seems totally without a game plan and if anything is guilty of "over thinking" and "over complicate" rather than playing on instinct e.g. trying to scoop a ball in the 3rd over.

    He doesn't open for Surrey in the CC because his technique simply isn't up to it but he is destructive at his best in T20. The 50 over format is the "half way house" and whether he can consistently do it remains to be seen.

    The way Morgan was talking pre tournament they will stick with Roy for one more match at least. And the fact that they have that first win they can probably afford to so even if Bairstow must be wondering what he has to do to get into the side.

    Gone again relatively cheaply - moving across his stumps and leaving his leg peg exposed to NZ's fastest bowler. 47 runs now in his last 7 innings for England..
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Addick Addict said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Roy has got just 34 runs in his last 6 innings for England. Watching him at the crease he seems totally without a game plan and if anything is guilty of "over thinking" and "over complicate" rather than playing on instinct e.g. trying to scoop a ball in the 3rd over.

    He doesn't open for Surrey in the CC because his technique simply isn't up to it but he is destructive at his best in T20. The 50 over format is the "half way house" and whether he can consistently do it remains to be seen.

    The way Morgan was talking pre tournament they will stick with Roy for one more match at least. And the fact that they have that first win they can probably afford to so even if Bairstow must be wondering what he has to do to get into the side.

    Gone again relatively cheaply - moving across his stumps and leaving his leg peg exposed to NZ's fastest bowler. 47 runs now in his last 7 innings for England..
    13 runs in 23 balls today, so a poor strike rate as well
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Not looking good for Roy - needs to go back to Surrey and get some confidence back.
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  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    I'm assuming NZ won toss ? If so, isn't that the 5th in a row we have lost ?
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Just found out on Cricinfo the rationale for teams on equal points...

    wins, then NRR, then head-to-head,then seeding
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    I think they'll stick with Roy, but I agree the rest of the team can't keep carrying him
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Roy has scored 47 runs in last 7 innings at average of 6.71.
    Cant keep him in the side on those figures - he's become a liability.
  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    The_President said:

    Roy has scored 47 runs in last 7 innings at average of 6.71.
    Cant keep him in the side on those figures - he's become a liability.

    I have to agree with you, starting to eat up balls as well.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    hundred up for England in the 20th over
    103-1
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    CHG said:

    The_President said:

    Roy has scored 47 runs in last 7 innings at average of 6.71.
    Cant keep him in the side on those figures - he's become a liability.

    I have to agree with you, starting to eat up balls as well.
    Bl00dy hell - maybe that's his problem - he's not eating enough.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    118-2 Hales out Bowled Milne the ball after he hit him for 6
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Hales bowled by a slower ball for 56, 118-2
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Looking forward to seeing Milne at Kent ;-)

    118-2 off 21

    Hales out for 56 (62)

    Root 46* (41)




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