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  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,067
    TelMc32 said:

    Have thought for a while that those who have been in to their MMA for a long time, slate McGregor simply because he's the one that has brought in a legion of new fans. They don't like that they're not such a clique anymore! :wink:

    Not as simple as that. His drawing ability is mainly due to his out of the octagon antics, what sort of precedence does that set? I tell you what, other fighters trying to mimic it some no doubt at Tyson Fury level. I personally don't find it that entertaining anymore, turning up late and claiming to be bigger that the company is disrespectful. Didn't Alex Ferguson get rid of Beckham when he start to act bigger than the club? Like Man Utd UFC don't need him, do you think he'll get the same figures on Bellator? Also this drawing ability Dana appeasement has allowed him to not defend his belt and go for this history making thing, this could have been done but previous fighters would defend their belt instead of going on this ego trip, Randy Colture and BJ Penn being 2 who could have held belts at 2 different divisions at the same time.
  • 3G
    3G Posts: 729
    Here's a question... before the fight when they show you height/reach stats in MMA or boxing, why don't they show you how hard the guy can hit (measured in force)? Would make for an interesting talking point
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    maddferrett said:

    Here's a question... before the fight when they show you height/reach stats in MMA or boxing, why don't they show you how hard the guy can hit (measured in force)? Would make for an interesting talking point

    That's quite a hard thing to measure really. Some may generate power from shorter distances, others may only get power from a full on haymaker. The reach is just a statement used as historically it is in boxing but as the sport develops on its own more and more you're starting to see more MMA centric things like leg reach.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,664
    maddferrett said:

    Here's a question... before the fight when they show you height/reach stats in MMA or boxing, why don't they show you how hard the guy can hit (measured in force)? Would make for an interesting talking point

    I think a firefighter 's knockout %is a good indication
  • C_Jensens_Love_Child
    C_Jensens_Love_Child Posts: 1,598
    TelMc32 said:

    Looks like you caught a few whoosh's there @C_Jensens_Love_Child

    Correct.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,664
    blackpool72 said:

    maddferrett said:

    Here's a question... before the fight when they show you height/reach stats in MMA or boxing, why don't they show you how hard the guy can hit (measured in force)? Would make for an interesting talking point

    I think a firefighter 's knockout %is a good indication
    I meant to say fighters not firefighter
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,981
    blackpool72 said:

    blackpool72 said:

    maddferrett said:

    Here's a question... before the fight when they show you height/reach stats in MMA or boxing, why don't they show you how hard the guy can hit (measured in force)? Would make for an interesting talking point

    I think a firefighter 's knockout %is a good indication
    I meant to say fighters not firefighter
    Click on the top right corner of the offending post. Click on the options wheel. Click on edit. Correct the post and then click on save at the bottom of the post :smile:
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,664
    Covered End said:

    blackpool72 said:

    blackpool72 said:

    maddferrett said:

    Here's a question... before the fight when they show you height/reach stats in MMA or boxing, why don't they show you how hard the guy can hit (measured in force)? Would make for an interesting talking point

    I think a firefighter 's knockout %is a good indication
    I meant to say fighters not firefighter
    Click on the top right corner of the offending post. Click on the options wheel. Click on edit. Correct the post and then click on save at the bottom of the post :smile:
    Thanks but i don't have access to a computer ,Just me Mobile and it doesn't seem to work on mobile
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    Friend Or Defoe said:

    TelMc32 said:

    Have thought for a while that those who have been in to their MMA for a long time, slate McGregor simply because he's the one that has brought in a legion of new fans. They don't like that they're not such a clique anymore! :wink:

    Not as simple as that. His drawing ability is mainly due to his out of the octagon antics, what sort of precedence does that set? I tell you what, other fighters trying to mimic it some no doubt at Tyson Fury level. I personally don't find it that entertaining anymore, turning up late and claiming to be bigger that the company is disrespectful. Didn't Alex Ferguson get rid of Beckham when he start to act bigger than the club? Like Man Utd UFC don't need him, do you think he'll get the same figures on Bellator? Also this drawing ability Dana appeasement has allowed him to not defend his belt and go for this history making thing, this could have been done but previous fighters would defend their belt instead of going on this ego trip, Randy Colture and BJ Penn being 2 who could have held belts at 2 different divisions at the same time.
    Agree with the 2 belt situation and that's pretty much the reason Aldo has said he wants to quit. He's basically said that McGregor is running the UFC now, not Dana White. Also said that a while back he wanted to move up to 155 to fight but they said only if you give up the 145 belt which he didn't agree to, but then they make these allowances now for McGregor.

    Having said that, you can't compare UFC and Man Utd. United could just go and buy another superstar, when Beckham left, they bought Ronaldo. Who do the UFC have with true pulling power if McGregor leaves? I can't think of anyone aside from maybe Lesnar and Jon Jones and they've both been done for drugs. He's brought in a whole army of new fans to UFC, his PPV figures are off the scale and last night means he'll have 4 of the top 5 record PPV sales. So let's be honest, the UFC right now definitely needs McGregor.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,067
    Ronda Rousey and create more stars by not treating them like side attractions.
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  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,442
    Rousey is finished after her next fight and other than Nate Diaz the average member of the public doesn't know any other fighters. Lesnar, GSP and Jon Jones at a push and they're currently AWOL.

    If Mcgregor went to Bellator and fought he'd get more viewers than the average UFC card with Mighty Mouse or even Miocic.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    UFC always had a problem in building stars and is why they doing bend over for McGregor. The problem is also due to the fighters, many seem happy to just sit there and say they are happy to see what happens rather than calling fighters out or actually trying to have a personality. It's beginning to change and some are realising you need to play the game to get paid.

    The problem also that there still isn't real depth of talent in a lot of the weight classes, heavyweight, flyweight, babtamweight even lightweight to an extent have very few top level fighters available so it limits what the UFC can promote. Flipside to this is that better paid fighters can spend more on camps and move to better gyms in order to get to that level so it is stuck in a cycle somewhat.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    Seems 206 is going under the radar a bit but the main card has the potential for some of the fights of the year, looking forward to this.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    Wow, Swanson v Choi is fight of the year and possibly of all time. Great event last night even if the main event was a bit of an anti climax.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    The headkick ko from Cerrone was superb
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,914
    Anyone watch the Ronda pummelling ?
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,442
    Even from the walk-in I could tell she didn't want to be there.

    First punch landed and she crumbled, not mentally there anymore. Should quit before she faces anymore punishment.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    Incredible performance by Garbrandt, would love to see a rematch.
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    SELR_addicks said:

    Even from the walk-in I could tell she didn't want to be there.

    First punch landed and she crumbled, not mentally there anymore. Should quit before she faces anymore punishment.

    Over £2 million richer though!
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,067
    Congratulations to Britain's own Michael Bisping for being fighter of the year.
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  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
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  • All_Thaid_Up
    All_Thaid_Up Posts: 2,293
    Roused could bully smaller fighters, but as soon as she came up against similar sized and got hit, it was game over for her.

    Even at the weigh ins you could tell she didn't have the stomach for it.

    I bet she never spars with fighters certainly not ones allowed to hit her.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    If Ronda was serious about wanting the belt back she'd have ditched Edmund and gone to a proper gym. It was painful to watch. Part of me was glad it blew up spectacularly in the UFCs face, the promoting of that event was disgusting and disrespectful to Nunes.

    As much as I like Cruz he was taken apart. I said elsewhere that at the weigh in he looked rattled and during the walk in he looked far too emotional. TJ should be Cody's first defence.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,067
    Anyone able to get O2 tickets? I'm in row E!
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    Got 4 yesterday. Row Z in one of the corners of the lower tier. Should be good, some decent matchups already and still headline to come.

    Going next month for Cage Warriors as well.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,067
    GSP V Bisping!!!
  • All_Thaid_Up
    All_Thaid_Up Posts: 2,293
    Friend Or Defoe said:

    GSP V Bisping!!!

    Would have liked GSP to have a warm up fight first, but he will probably just lay on Bisping for most of the fight as he normally does.

    Has a 5 round points decision written all over it, unless he is seriously rusty.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,067
    He'll be rusty surely which wiill be an interesting fight.

    209 should be good on Saturday, although they missed a trick by not having a Diaz brother on the card.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    Pleased for Bisping, he deserves it. Silva, Rockhold, Hendo and GSP would be some way to go out. It does though once again make a mockery of the belts and rankings.

    And yes 209 looks like it'll be excellent. I honestly can not pick the winners of the main events.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,067
    colthe3rd said:

    Pleased for Bisping, he deserves it. Silva, Rockhold, Hendo and GSP would be some way to go out. It does though once again make a mockery of the belts and rankings.

    And yes 209 looks like it'll be excellent. I honestly can not pick the winners of the main events.

    Woodley. Khabib to win the co-main.

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