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Response from the club re Behavioural Contracts

Swisdom
Swisdom Posts: 14,977
in General Charlton
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....
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  • Brendan_O_Connell
    Brendan_O_Connell Posts: 8,938
    http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/74419/letters-from-club-agreed-behavioural-contracts/p13
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,273
    edited August 2016
    That person has just highlighted what they are really like. Fair play to him/her for having the conviction to put it out there for everyone to see.
  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,240
    The response has been posted on the other threads.. you must have missed it.

    And I hope it is hugely damaging. BLOODY GOOD JOB... well done Quentin.
  • C4FC4L1f3
    C4FC4L1f3 Posts: 1,917
    There is a bigger problem here though - i know numerous people who have been intimidated by the club and haven't renewed this season for fear of Similar actions.

    @boggzy for invading the pitch.
    The Belgian lot for there antics.
    @Airman Brown has been confronted by Katrien if i remember correctly.
    @LouisMend confronted for being negative by Slade.
    @The_President for visiting Katrins family's house.

    I know i have had several calls with the club about last seasons antics. and i believe if we all renewed this season they would have done the same to us.

    There is definitely an agenda of intimidating the ring leaders of the protests. and trying to silence us. to a certain extent it is working because many dont want to go back to Belgium and most people haven't renewed so wont be in the stadium this season to protest.
  • PassItToLeaburn
    PassItToLeaburn Posts: 1,457
    edited August 2016
    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    So if the club initiate and address something to me directly then it will necessarily have to stay as a private matter between me and the club? What if I feel that I have been mistreated and want to expose this? (It's not me by the way, this is hypothetical). I haven't entered into an agreement with them, they can't initiate something, unsolicited and then dictate the terms. And frankly, they should have known, given that the recipient is clearly not a fan of the regime, that there was a fair chance that this would be leaked.

    I just don't think that your argument holds up.

    And let's not forget, all he has actually done is release the club's own words, were they actually reasonable then there would have been no story in it. Unfortunately for the club, the general perception is that the club are trying to control things over which they should have no say.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,232
    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    What an odd post. Not really sure what you're getting it there Swisdom, could you explain further? It seems that you're saying the club threatening a fan with removal of their season ticket if they post anything on social media that they don't like should have stayed private - when the response to the letter coming out shows just how significant it is to have it as public knowledge - and that the fact it was resolved should be the end of the discussion, when the fact it was sent in the first place is the real issue. Are you having a dig at the person who received the letter at the end there as well? If I'm interpreting wrong then let me know
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,289
    Clem_Snide said:

    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    Surprised you're allowed to comment. On the payroll aren't you?
    Really I thought he (his company) carried out works for the good of the club ? Doesn't this suggest he does it "gratis"
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,960
    C4FC4L1f3 said:

    There is a bigger problem here though - i know numerous people who have been intimidated by the club and haven't renewed this season for fear of Similar actions.

    @boggzy for invading the pitch.
    The Belgian lot for there antics.
    @Airman Brown has been confronted by Katrien if i remember correctly.
    @LouisMend confronted for being negative by Slade.
    @The_President for visiting Katrins family's house.

    I know i have had several calls with the club about last seasons antics. and i believe if we all renewed this season they would have done the same to us.

    There is definitely an agenda of intimidating the ring leaders of the protests. and trying to silence us. to a certain extent it is working because many dont want to go back to Belgium and most people haven't renewed so wont be in the stadium this season to protest.

    Are there any trade unions at RD's company who might have experienced similar problems with intimidation - if so it might be worth sharing notes.
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,304
    edited August 2016
    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    still cant believe we have fans that praise the club for anything. there ripping us apart ffs

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  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,289
    sm said:

    C4FC4L1f3 said:

    There is a bigger problem here though - i know numerous people who have been intimidated by the club and haven't renewed this season for fear of Similar actions.

    @boggzy for invading the pitch.
    The Belgian lot for there antics.
    @Airman Brown has been confronted by Katrien if i remember correctly.
    @LouisMend confronted for being negative by Slade.
    @The_President for visiting Katrins family's house.

    I know i have had several calls with the club about last seasons antics. and i believe if we all renewed this season they would have done the same to us.

    There is definitely an agenda of intimidating the ring leaders of the protests. and trying to silence us. to a certain extent it is working because many dont want to go back to Belgium and most people haven't renewed so wont be in the stadium this season to protest.

    Are there any trade unions at RD's company who might have experienced similar problems with intimidation - if so it might be worth sharing notes.
    I doubt that very much
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    Blown out of proportion? Are you kidding me, they are trying to take away the blokes legal right to express himself, it's bollocks.

    Have you seen the tweets in question? They may not make him look wonderful, but it makes the club look like the bullying fuckwits they are. Your post just makes you look a bit of a bellend.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    I'm not praising the club - they had to respond because it was all getting out of hand.

    The person in question obviously had to answer for their behaviour, did so, apologised and it all ended amicably. That should have been the end of it.
  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,268
    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    Thanks Sue.

  • twiggyaddick
    twiggyaddick Posts: 1,565
    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    SCAB!!!

  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    Swisdom said:

    I'm not praising the club - they had to respond because it was all getting out of hand.

    The person in question obviously had to answer for their behaviour, did so, apologised and it all ended amicably. That should have been the end of it.

    Not true according to the talk sport phone call though


    When you see Tony cahone get him to pm me Swisdom

    I can't seem to get him to answer my calls
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    Swisdom said:

    I'm not praising the club - they had to respond because it was all getting out of hand.

    The person in question obviously had to answer for their behaviour, did so, apologised and it all ended amicably. That should have been the end of it.

    What would have happened had CAST not attended to help? What if the letter was sent to someone less able to stand up for themselves?

    I'll tell you what, the club would have removed a human right from one of their customers. They attempted to gag a fan, do you really think that is something they should be able to do?
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,083
    edited August 2016
    Swisdom said:

    I'm not praising the club - they had to respond because it was all getting out of hand.

    The person in question obviously had to answer for their behaviour, did so, apologised and it all ended amicably. That should have been the end of it.

    But that's not true is it? It wasn't about apologising for actions at all. He was told that he would only receive his season ticket if he signed a contract saying that he would not say anything derogatory or inflammatory in the future.

    The club's statement does not relate to the words in the letter sent.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    edited August 2016
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    Blown out of proportion? Are you kidding me, they are trying to take away the blokes legal right to express himself, it's bollocks.

    Have you seen the tweets in question? They may not make him look wonderful, but it makes the club look like the bullying fuckwits they are. Your post just makes you look a bit of a bellend.
    I haven't seen the tweets - or seen the video footage they are talking about but it was obviously suitably vitriolic they felt the need to ask him to stop. Which he agreed to do and apologised. And everyone could and should have just got on with their lives.



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  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    So Swisdom, in a defence of the Club you are also accusing said individual of stuff the Club has not, if it's not 'pretty'. Care to go into detail? I'm sure if it was that bad the police would be involved; if it's the slating of players and swearing at football then that's football for you, if its the online posting he's done. TalkSport have gone over these and see them as nothing more than aggressively put emotional sentiments.

    Ever heard of emotions? Defend your club ffs. The club you love, and will want your children to love may be no longer if this carries on.
  • JoshrewCAFC
    JoshrewCAFC Posts: 917
    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    I agree that the club's response was fair and quick. The guy shouldn't have posted a matter between him and the club however it is his right to do so.

    However, the fact that they can waste their time calling in an abusive fan for a meeting but not an abusive player (Roger Johnson) is ridiculous. So fuck RJ and fuck the club.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    edited August 2016
    The video that was recorded after the letter was sent? That video?

    Have you even read the letter?

    You really need to have a little independent thought, don't just believe what the club say, they have a history for this sort of thing.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    Apologiesd for what calling them the shit fuck fools they are

    They have dragged this club to a totally different level of ridicule

  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,755
    edited August 2016
    Swisdom said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    Blown out of proportion? Are you kidding me, they are trying to take away the blokes legal right to express himself, it's bollocks.

    Have you seen the tweets in question? They may not make him look wonderful, but it makes the club look like the bullying fuckwits they are. Your post just makes you look a bit of a bellend.
    I haven't seen the tweets - or seen the video footage they are talking about but it was obviously suitably vitriolic they felt the need to ask him to stop. Which he agreed to do and apologised. And everyone could and should have just got on with their lives.


    Unfortunately the fuckwits running the circus didn't see it that way did they? They wrote a letter which had they enforced the contents of, potentially breached Article 10 of the Human Rights Act.

    They also spelt behavioural wrong.

    String 'em up.
  • twiggyaddick
    twiggyaddick Posts: 1,565
    edited August 2016
    Swisdom said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    Blown out of proportion? Are you kidding me, they are trying to take away the blokes legal right to express himself, it's bollocks.

    Have you seen the tweets in question? They may not make him look wonderful, but it makes the club look like the bullying fuckwits they are. Your post just makes you look a bit of a bellend.
    I haven't seen the tweets - or seen the video footage they are talking about but it was obviously suitably vitriolic they felt the need to ask him to stop. Which he agreed to do and apologised. And everyone could and should have just got on with their lives.


    Did you order the video footage to be taken like you did behind the west stand after Boro??
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,566
    "the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe"

    The club didn't write a very good letter then did they?
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    WSS said:

    Swisdom said:

    I'm not praising the club - they had to respond because it was all getting out of hand.

    The person in question obviously had to answer for their behaviour, did so, apologised and it all ended amicably. That should have been the end of it.

    But that's not true is it? It wasn't about apologising for actions at all. He was told that he would only receive his season ticket if he signed a contract saying that he would not say anything derogatory or inflammatory in the future.

    The club's statement does not relate to the words in the letter sent.
    And I quote


    The club also discussed the video footage, after which the individual apologised on several occasions for his behaviour and assured the club that he would not continue to engage in an abusive manner.

    He was accompanied by the Chairman of the Charlton Athletic Supporters’ Trust who witnessed the individual’s apology.

    The meeting ended amicably and, as he appeared sincere in his apology, the club handed the individual his 2016/17 season ticket and he was not asked to sign an Agreed Behavioural Contract    .
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    So how does that statement relate to the letter, the letter is dated before the Bury game!
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    twiggyaddick said:

    Swisdom said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Swisdom said:

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx

    I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.

    I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.

    I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....

    Blown out of proportion? Are you kidding me, they are trying to take away the blokes legal right to express himself, it's bollocks.

    Have you seen the tweets in question? They may not make him look wonderful, but it makes the club look like the bullying fuckwits they are. Your post just makes you look a bit of a bellend.
    I haven't seen the tweets - or seen the video footage they are talking about but it was obviously suitably vitriolic they felt the need to ask him to stop. Which he agreed to do and apologised. And everyone could and should have just got on with their lives.


    Did you order the video footage to be taken like you did behind the west stand after Boro??
    I'm not sure who you think I am - but you are wrong. I'm just a fan

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