I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.
I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.
I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....
Blown out of proportion? Are you kidding me, they are trying to take away the blokes legal right to express himself, it's bollocks.
Have you seen the tweets in question? They may not make him look wonderful, but it makes the club look like the bullying fuckwits they are. Your post just makes you look a bit of a bellend.
I haven't seen the tweets - or seen the video footage they are talking about but it was obviously suitably vitriolic they felt the need to ask him to stop. Which he agreed to do and apologised. And everyone could and should have just got on with their lives.
Did you order the video footage to be taken like you did behind the west stand after Boro??
I'm not sure who you think I am - but you are wrong. I'm just a fan
Who accepts money from the club
Fuck all to do with anything. Again. Change the record
That kind of language can land you with an ABC to sign ...
The club are wrong to use the video in their explanation statement as justification for their actions if the video was taken after the letter was sent.
Clearly the video made no difference to the situation as he was already requested to attend and sign the agreement solely on his social media posts. The club have gone on to use the video evidence to ramp up their public justification for their actions and try and make themselves look better when infact their actions and plan to deal with the situation we're in place before any video existed.
I don't know what the blokes posts were or what he did in the video. He might be a complete idiot who deserves no sympathy and I may have supported the clubs actions. But the club still manages to be the bad guys by ramping things up and using a later incident which had nothing to do with their actions, in their publicised justification. Which we can see some people will fall for as evidenced by Swisdoms response.
1 - The club has zero right to breach Article 10 of the HRA, so freedom of expression is beyond the remit of the club 2 - If they had issues on social media, report it to Twitter or Facebook to take action, if they have, and both organisations have told them to do one, then this is even more evidence of over reacting. 3 - The club has ambushed the supporter at the meeting with the video, of supposed bad behaviour. You don't call someone in, and then spring something on them, unless your position is so weak, that surprise is all you have.
The sense of paranoia at the Valley is unreal, I won't be back there for a long time, not even picking up a freebie via the SE7 scheme will tempt me back.
Likewise I could not go to tomorrow's game - or indeed any home game - freebie or otherwise. No problem with those that do but on a personal level after experiencing Bury and Cheltenham this latest fiasco really is the last straw. I would prefer the players ran out to a virtually empty stadium to be honest. That's how bad the situation is now.
This lad has been involved with CAFC longer than those who tried to bully him and will continue to be involved after they have gone away. How any "fan" can see it is ok to hold a fan to ransom as a bully, is beyond me.
If I go to the game on Saturday, see Rojo put in another crap performance and swear at him, then should i expect to be marched up to the witches castle and told off? No, bollocks. Should any fan across this country expect that? No, why would they?!
Football fans have opinions, they include opinions on a poisonous owner who is bringing the club to the gutter. If you don't like how the fans perceive you, then you have probably engaged in the wrong sport/club and should learn your lesson and leave.
The day football fans are blackmailed or bullied into not feeling free to justify their opinion is when the sport is dead.
I don't think it's right and I abhor bullying. The club felt they had reason to want to discuss it though.
See - you've used words like "discuss" and "ask". And that's precisely what a sensible organisation would have done if they'd seriously perceived there to be an issue. They no doubt have his telephone number on record. A phone call explaining their concerns and suggesting that if he didn't tone it down a bit they would have no option but to withdraw his ticket would have been more than sufficient in the overall circumstances; (it's in the T&Cs after all).
BUT THEY DIDN'T. Instead they took a decision to send out that completely stupid, badly drafted letter making threats about "derogatory" language. As already been said there's nothing even wrong with derogatory language per se. They sent it out at around the same time a club employee, Johnson, had to have the manager say his apology for him for using abusive language to supporters. What's good for the goose....
Perhaps that word should actually be spelled derogerory in honour of the club's fine upstanding servant.
Out of all this calling Swisdom out for getting a pay cheque from the club is a shit thing to do, everyone can and should be able to earn a wage legally how they chose without it being part and parcel to the discussion
I think Tony cahone
despicable meire
dastardly dick
Rotten Roland
Are all no good cnuts not because they make a penny out of the club but just because i disagree with their existence,
This lad has been involved with CAFC longer than those who tried to bully him and will continue to be involved after they have gone away. How any "fan" can see it is ok to hold a fan to ransom as a bully, is beyond me.
If I go to the game on Saturday, see Rojo put in another crap performance and swear at him, then should i expect to be marched up to the witches castle and told off? No, bollocks. Should any fan across this country expect that? No, why would they?!
Football fans have opinions, they include opinions on a poisonous owner who is bringing the club to the gutter. If you don't like how the fans perceive you, then you have probably engaged in the wrong sport/club and should learn your lesson and leave.
The day football fans are blackmailed or bullied into not feeling free to justify their opinion is when the sport is dead.
I don't think it's right and I abhor bullying. The club felt they had reason to want to discuss it though.
But what value does this have? The club thinks it's ok to call the fans weird, release public statements criticising the fans for wanting the club to fail and drag Charlton down to League One while making the same mistakes over and over and calling it improvement. Them deciding they had a reason to discuss the situation is hardly a green light outside of their own heads
I disagree with @Swisdom regarding this issue but there is a certain irony that in quite rightly defending the freedom of expression of one fan some of us are questioning @Swisdom's right to an opinion because his firm has done and does work for the Club.
Everyone is allowed an opinion. Let's not lower ourselves to her level.
Roland is a deluded cunt Meire is a bollock sucking piss poor excuse for a CEO who is out of her depth and is also a cunt Tony Cahones your also a cunt with totally no bollox
Meire is also an ageist but still a cunt
In 50 years of following this club and an ex SHAREHOLDER yes Katy a shareholder---i can honstly say that i have never seen a bunch of spineless jelly fish cunts that are hell ent in running this club into the dirt
I hope you take offence to me calling you cunts its there to offend you. One day hopefully not to far away your reckoning will happen---it wont be the respectable members of CARD but someone from the darkside
Totally agree with your post NLA and the way you express it. However I do not get why Swisdom is getting so much stick here. As it has been reported the recipient of this letter received it because of "abusive and threatening behaviour" captured apparently on video. In such circumstances the club is right to take some form of action and a letter and offer of a meeting to discuss it, rather than refer it to the police is in my opinion, not a terribly bad way of resolving the issue (signing a contract of obedience is OTT perhaps). Of course now it has gone public and the club may be seen as even more toxic than it was - if that was possible. Of course have not seen the video evidence or whatever had been written on social media....but this seems to be a 'one off' so would be ignored it was not for all the justified anger surrounding the club. Why berate Swisdom for expressing an opinion - this is supposed to be an opinion based forum, is it not? I seems to me that as soon as someone posts an opinion that is generally 'off message', they get attacked. Generally held 'obscene' swearing in a public place is in my opinion not edifying to whoever voices it and does not make them 'look wonderful' as Swisdom just pointed out!
Roland is a deluded cunt Meire is a bollock sucking piss poor excuse for a CEO who is out of her depth and is also a cunt Tony Cahones your also a cunt with totally no bollox
Meire is also an ageist but still a cunt
In 50 years of following this club and an ex SHAREHOLDER yes Katy a shareholder---i can honstly say that i have never seen a bunch of spineless jelly fish cunts that are hell ent in running this club into the dirt
I hope you take offence to me calling you cunts its there to offend you. One day hopefully not to far away your reckoning will happen---it wont be the respectable members of CARD but someone from the darkside
Totally agree with your post NLA and the way you express it. However I do not get why Swisdom is getting so much stick here. As it has been reported the recipient of this letter received it because of "abusive and threatening behaviour" captured apparently on video. In such circumstances the club is right to take some form of action and a letter and offer of a meeting to discuss it, rather than refer it to the police is in my opinion, not a terribly bad way of resolving the issue (signing a contract of obedience is OTT perhaps). Of course now it has gone public and the club may be seen as even more toxic than it was - if that was possible. Of course have not seen the video evidence or whatever had been written on social media....but this seems to be a 'one off' so would be ignored it was not for all the justified anger surrounding the club. Why berate Swisdom for expressing an opinion - this is supposed to be an opinion based forum, is it not? I seems to me that as soon as someone posts an opinion that is generally 'off message', they get attacked. Generally held 'obscene' swearing in a public place is in my opinion not edifying to whoever voices it and does not make them 'look wonderful' as Swisdom just pointed out!
The video evidence is from after the letter was sent. There was no video of any behaviour at Bury when they sent him the letter. It's been used since to support their case/defend their position.
I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.
I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.
I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....
I hope he's proud of himself too. Anyone who can help further highlight the sheer ineptitude of the morons at the helm deserves credit in my book.
Roland is a deluded cunt Meire is a bollock sucking piss poor excuse for a CEO who is out of her depth and is also a cunt Tony Cahones your also a cunt with totally no bollox
Meire is also an ageist but still a cunt
In 50 years of following this club and an ex SHAREHOLDER yes Katy a shareholder---i can honstly say that i have never seen a bunch of spineless jelly fish cunts that are hell ent in running this club into the dirt
I hope you take offence to me calling you cunts its there to offend you. One day hopefully not to far away your reckoning will happen---it wont be the respectable members of CARD but someone from the darkside
Totally agree with your post NLA and the way you express it. However I do not get why Swisdom is getting so much stick here. As it has been reported the recipient of this letter received it because of "abusive and threatening behaviour" captured apparently on video. In such circumstances the club is right to take some form of action and a letter and offer of a meeting to discuss it, rather than refer it to the police is in my opinion, not a terribly bad way of resolving the issue (signing a contract of obedience is OTT perhaps). Of course now it has gone public and the club may be seen as even more toxic than it was - if that was possible. Of course have not seen the video evidence or whatever had been written on social media....but this seems to be a 'one off' so would be ignored it was not for all the justified anger surrounding the club. Why berate Swisdom for expressing an opinion - this is supposed to be an opinion based forum, is it not? I seems to me that as soon as someone posts an opinion that is generally 'off message', they get attacked. Generally held 'obscene' swearing in a public place is in my opinion not edifying to whoever voices it and does not make them 'look wonderful' as Swisdom just pointed out!
WRONG.
The behaviour they have on tape is from the Bury game, which is AFTER they sent the letter.
The reason he got the letter, is for making comments, that the club found unacceptable, on social media. There was no mention of anything happening inside a football ground, it was solely because of comments he had made. Read the letter for yourself.
Regardless of anything else, this is clearly the club trying to gag fans from airing their views on platforms such as Twitter, Facebook etc, which is an absolute slur on the freedom of speech that we all enjoy in this country. This poor guy has been singled out as there are hundreds of abusive tweets aimed at the club and the regime every single Saturday.
The funniest part about this is that the club have tried to prevent one guy from making derogatory comments, yet today there have been hundreds of tweets from various different parts of the press and general public doing the very same thing, albeit with less colourful language for the most part. Yet another own goal from the clueless morons that are in charge of our club.
There is a bigger problem here though - i know numerous people who have been intimidated by the club and haven't renewed this season for fear of Similar actions.
@boggzy for invading the pitch. The Belgian lot for there antics. @Airman Brown has been confronted by Katrien if i remember correctly. @LouisMend confronted for being negative by Slade. @The_President for visiting Katrins family's house.
I know i have had several calls with the club about last seasons antics. and i believe if we all renewed this season they would have done the same to us.
There is definitely an agenda of intimidating the ring leaders of the protests. and trying to silence us. to a certain extent it is working because many dont want to go back to Belgium and most people haven't renewed so wont be in the stadium this season to protest.
@boggzy for invading the pitch. - Which is illegal @Airman Brown has been confronted by Katrien if i remember correctly. - I wasn't present, but was it confronted or approached? Whether you agree with her or not, she has a right to reply. Airman has been very critical of her and I'm sure he is the first to accept that, when you go after someone, you should expect, and be willing to receive, the inevitable push back. @LouisMend confronted for being negative by Slade. - A snarky remark is hardly confronted. @The_President for visiting Katrins family's house. - A lot of fans on here agreed this was an action which crossed the line somewhat
This lad has been involved with CAFC longer than those who tried to bully him and will continue to be involved after they have gone away. How any "fan" can see it is ok to hold a fan to ransom as a bully, is beyond me.
If I go to the game on Saturday, see Rojo put in another crap performance and swear at him, then should i expect to be marched up to the witches castle and told off? No, bollocks. Should any fan across this country expect that? No, why would they?!
Football fans have opinions, they include opinions on a poisonous owner who is bringing the club to the gutter. If you don't like how the fans perceive you, then you have probably engaged in the wrong sport/club and should learn your lesson and leave.
The day football fans are blackmailed or bullied into not feeling free to justify their opinion is when the sport is dead.
I don't think it's right and I abhor bullying. The club felt they had reason to want to discuss it though.
Of it was sexist, racist, homophobic etc then of course. But it wasn't.
They targetted the guy, have they targetted all the other people who slate KM, RD and the running of the club on twitter and facebook? No, because they sent 1 letter.
This. It's been shown time and again that most people have no tolerance for bigoted remarks. I have been incredibly impressed by that, as it can be difficult when mob mentality sinks in. @Swisdom I promise that if I thought they included anything within that realm I would be there to condemn the fan as, if not more harshly, as I would the club's poor handling of the situation. The last thing I would want to see is for us to degrade ourselves as Charlton fans because the club leadership is inept. We are better than that. But by the accounts of those who have seen the tweets, that is not the case, and I very much trust CAST in their judgment (TalkSport less so).
I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.
I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.
I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....
I agree that the club's response was fair and quick. The guy shouldn't have posted a matter between him and the club however it is his right to do so.
However, the fact that they can waste their time calling in an abusive fan for a meeting but not an abusive player (Roger Johnson) is ridiculous. So fuck RJ and fuck the club.
Like one hundred times over. Fans should not swear at players, but not an issue the other way around.
That person has just highlighted what they are really like. Fair play to him/her for having the conviction to put it out there for everyone to see.
Really? I thought it was pathetic. He goes to the club with his tail between his legs and apologies profusely, takes his punishment (the awarding of a season ticket) and then runs straight to social media. As we don't know what this person said or did I am actually prepared to give the club the benefit of the doubt on this one, and it takes a lot for me to defend the club at the moment. Lets be honest, whatever he did/said it was considerably more than just criticising the regime. If it was that 80% of us would be banned, or have to sign a contract.
I don't suppose this will get the same level of social media coverage but at least they have responded swiftly to something. In truth it shouldn't have ever got into the public eye since it was a matter between an individual and the club and was, it sees, resolved.
I think this is hugely damaging for the club and, again, has got blown way out of proportion - the truth is much less glamourous than the letter would have people believe.
I hope the person who got the letter is proud of themself though - they come out of it looking like a wonderful person....
Blown out of proportion? Are you kidding me, they are trying to take away the blokes legal right to express himself, it's bollocks.
Have you seen the tweets in question? They may not make him look wonderful, but it makes the club look like the bullying fuckwits they are. Your post just makes you look a bit of a bellend.
I haven't seen the tweets - or seen the video footage they are talking about but it was obviously suitably vitriolic they felt the need to ask him to stop. Which he agreed to do and apologised. And everyone could and should have just got on with their lives.
Maybe it would help if the tweets were put on here. As I haven't seen them and it may help in reaching a more balanced view. Currently I am with the club, as I am assuming the tweets were overly aggressive/personal. If I am wrong and they were simply criticising the regime then I revise my opinion.
Regardless of the legal technicalities of this latest PR disaster by the club, regardless of the finer points of who said what on which forum, the net is closing, the world is awakening and the chip chip chip away of the credibility of an inept regime is very much a reality.
This and every single mistake/cock up they have made can be justified/swept aside by apologists, give them a chance yada yada, everything they say is pulled apart yada yada..
They are not fit for purpose, they need to leave now and the heart and soul of this club will still be travelling to Bury and Cheltenham long after they have gone.
My name is OZYMANDIAS, King of Kings. Look on my works ye Mighty, and despair! No thing beside remains. Round the decay
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Clearly the video made no difference to the situation as he was already requested to attend and sign the agreement solely on his social media posts.
The club have gone on to use the video evidence to ramp up their public justification for their actions and try and make themselves look better when infact their actions and plan to deal with the situation we're in place before any video existed.
I don't know what the blokes posts were or what he did in the video. He might be a complete idiot who deserves no sympathy and I may have supported the clubs actions. But the club still manages to be the bad guys by ramping things up and using a later incident which had nothing to do with their actions, in their publicised justification. Which we can see some people will fall for as evidenced by Swisdoms response.
They no doubt have his telephone number on record. A phone call explaining their concerns and suggesting that if he didn't tone it down a bit they would have no option but to withdraw his ticket would have been more than sufficient in the overall circumstances; (it's in the T&Cs after all).
BUT THEY DIDN'T. Instead they took a decision to send out that completely stupid, badly drafted letter making threats about "derogatory" language. As already been said there's nothing even wrong with derogatory language per se.
They sent it out at around the same time a club employee, Johnson, had to have the manager say his apology for him for using abusive language to supporters. What's good for the goose....
Perhaps that word should actually be spelled derogerory in honour of the club's fine upstanding servant.
I think Tony cahone
despicable meire
dastardly dick
Rotten Roland
Are all no good cnuts not because they make a penny out of the club but just because i disagree with their existence,
Don't mix the two it ain't fair
Everyone is allowed an opinion. Let's not lower ourselves to her level.
Totally agree with your post NLA and the way you express it. However I do not get why Swisdom is getting so much stick here. As it has been reported the recipient of this letter received it because of "abusive and threatening behaviour" captured apparently on video. In such circumstances the club is right to take some form of action and a letter and offer of a meeting to discuss it, rather than refer it to the police is in my opinion, not a terribly bad way of resolving the issue (signing a contract of obedience is OTT perhaps). Of course now it has gone public and the club may be seen as even more toxic than it was - if that was possible.
Of course have not seen the video evidence or whatever had been written on social media....but this seems to be a 'one off' so would be ignored it was not for all the justified anger surrounding the club.
Why berate Swisdom for expressing an opinion - this is supposed to be an opinion based forum, is it not?
I seems to me that as soon as someone posts an opinion that is generally 'off message', they get attacked.
Generally held 'obscene' swearing in a public place is in my opinion not edifying to whoever voices it and does not make them 'look wonderful' as Swisdom just pointed out!
Pathetic stance from the club, as usual.
The behaviour they have on tape is from the Bury game, which is AFTER they sent the letter.
The reason he got the letter, is for making comments, that the club found unacceptable, on social media. There was no mention of anything happening inside a football ground, it was solely because of comments he had made. Read the letter for yourself.
Regardless of anything else, this is clearly the club trying to gag fans from airing their views on platforms such as Twitter, Facebook etc, which is an absolute slur on the freedom of speech that we all enjoy in this country. This poor guy has been singled out as there are hundreds of abusive tweets aimed at the club and the regime every single Saturday.
The funniest part about this is that the club have tried to prevent one guy from making derogatory comments, yet today there have been hundreds of tweets from various different parts of the press and general public doing the very same thing, albeit with less colourful language for the most part. Yet another own goal from the clueless morons that are in charge of our club.
@Airman Brown has been confronted by Katrien if i remember correctly. - I wasn't present, but was it confronted or approached? Whether you agree with her or not, she has a right to reply. Airman has been very critical of her and I'm sure he is the first to accept that, when you go after someone, you should expect, and be willing to receive, the inevitable push back.
@LouisMend confronted for being negative by Slade. - A snarky remark is hardly confronted.
@The_President for visiting Katrins family's house. - A lot of fans on here agreed this was an action which crossed the line somewhat
I'm a bit confused as to what I read in the club statement.
Can someone fill the blanks. I also heard the fan in question rang talksport. Other then that, don't know much.
What did the fan actually say or do? How was he a threat? What's this video thing all about and how's it relevant?
Is there any new info that makes this stupid letter in the slightest bit, reasonable? I hope not.
This and every single mistake/cock up they have made can be justified/swept aside by apologists, give them a chance yada yada, everything they say is pulled apart yada yada..
They are not fit for purpose, they need to leave now and the heart and soul of this club will still be travelling to Bury and Cheltenham long after they have gone.
My name is OZYMANDIAS, King of Kings.
Look on my works ye Mighty, and despair!
No thing beside remains. Round the decay