NS: CAST considering FA action on KM comments
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I thought the word 'Belgian' was used between 'you' and 'wankers' for two reasons:
A) it serves to identify the subjects of the song clearly
b) two syllables are needed to make the song scan properly
It is not racist per se, but if Katrien would prefer it to be replaced with the word 'shitty' (clearly one she seems to find acceptable) then I am sure we could accommodate that.
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Of course the coward has put her in the firing line but if she resigns, she will only be replaced by another puppet. The coward is the one we need to topple. At least if she goes it will annoy him a bit.2
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"You shitty wankers get out of our club"IdleHans said:I thought the word 'Belgian' was used between 'you' and 'wankers' for two reasons:
A) it serves to identify the subjects of the song clearly
b) two syllables are needed to make the song scan properly
It is not racist per se, but if Katrien would prefer it to be replaced with the word 'shitty' (clearly one she seems to find acceptable) then I am sure we could accommodate that.0 -
Poking a journalist is NOT one of my habits but if it helps the cause, who am I to refuse....shirty5 said:She thinks the media is against her, so let's tell the world. E mail, tweet, poke any media outlet or journalist you can think of that would be interested in this story.
Louis ?
Louis ?
Where are you hiding ?
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I think she should be reported for her swearing in a public meeting & thereby bringing the game into disrepute.1
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A very good statement from the Trust. I particularly like the final paragraph, which reinforces the message given at the recent meeting.1
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Thanks @Davo55 it's easy to forget how good the original CAST response was.
I thought it was excellent.1 -
Covered End said:
I think she should be reported for her swearing in a public meeting & thereby bringing the game into disrepute.</blockquote
oh SHIT.1 -
It is not being chanted at her because of her nationality though. It's because they're shite. Their nationality is added so that everyone is fully aware of who the request is being aimed at.Chizz said:A quick reminder for anyone who still thinks "it's ok, because Belgian isn't a race":
Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
Hope that's clear. Do not chant threats, abuse or insults at someone because of that person's nationality. It's a criminal offence.
In all other respects, I believe it's totally fair to criticise her for the enormous number of things she's done wrong. Her inept decision-making, her flawed reasoning, her dissembling, her deceit, her "smugness", her cowardice. Call her out for her lack of experience, lack of football knowledge, lack of senior staff. Point eh finger at her for her callous attitude to the fans and the club's history. Demonstrate how she's failed in the most important aspect of her job - recruitment.
If you have to, have a op at her dress sense.
But don't break the law by throwing racist chants or comments in her direction. Rise above it. It gives her more ammunition than she deserves.
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She's deleted all negative stories from search engines. I wouldn't rule out her making up evidence of the so-called criminal acts she mentions but has done nothing to prove.0
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Racialist? Is that cos I is black?2
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If the trust don't get anywhere with this, how about a protest outside the FA's office at Wembley Stadium on a set day?1
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Exactly right. I made this point in an earlier post - it is an understanding of our language that is needed. If you want to call me a winker, you could refer to me as an f***ing winker - that is quite strong and doesn't really point me out. But a normal approach is to pick on a characteristic - like I am bald or fat so I could be a fat winker for instance. The point being made is that i'm a winker, the fat bit aims it at me. Now if you have a couple of winkers, one a senile old man, and one a young woman, you have to find a word that fits them both or refer to the lazy f***ing. If anybody can find an alternative to Belgian, i'd like to know what it is. It is certainly not saying that all Belgians are winkers, unlike Meire's comments that can be seen as suggesting all Charlton fans are law breaker or racists.The Organiser said:
It is not being chanted at her because of her nationality though. It's because they're shite. Their nationality is added so that everyone is fully aware of who the request is being aimed at.Chizz said:A quick reminder for anyone who still thinks "it's ok, because Belgian isn't a race":
Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
Hope that's clear. Do not chant threats, abuse or insults at someone because of that person's nationality. It's a criminal offence.
In all other respects, I believe it's totally fair to criticise her for the enormous number of things she's done wrong. Her inept decision-making, her flawed reasoning, her dissembling, her deceit, her "smugness", her cowardice. Call her out for her lack of experience, lack of football knowledge, lack of senior staff. Point eh finger at her for her callous attitude to the fans and the club's history. Demonstrate how she's failed in the most important aspect of her job - recruitment.
If you have to, have a op at her dress sense.
But don't break the law by throwing racist chants or comments in her direction. Rise above it. It gives her more ammunition than she deserves.1 -
Of Belgian fame, yes, but quite often not even brewed in Belgium. In the 80s, it was brewed by Whitbread in Luton. I've no idea where it's made now, but I don't drink the piss so I don't care.bazjonster said:
Ah yes, Stella. The gaseous, bulk produced, flavourless fizz of Belgian fame. Dig deeper, there's a whole host of wonderful beers in that country that make Stella taste like water.MuttleyCAFC said:When you call somebody a bastard for instance- you have to put a word in there before the bastard. Now you could put a swear word in, but the norm is to include a characteristic. So as I have a lack of hair, I am a bald bastard. Now if somebody calls me that, I think the point they are accentuating is that I am a bastard, not that I am bald, but the language demands something goes in there. The same could be said is somebody calls me a fat bastard. It is unlikely my weight is the reason they are providing this critique but something has to go in there. So adding Belgian in there should not be seen as a slight against Belgians. Many of us love a pint of Stella!
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I'm not sure you could prove "Belgian wankers" is a racist term. It's pointing out which particular wankers we want out of our club.Cordoban Addick said:Chizz said:A quick reminder for anyone who still thinks "it's ok, because Belgian isn't a race":
Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
Hope that's clear. Do not chant threats, abuse or insults at someone because of that person's nationality. It's a criminal offence.
In all other respects, I believe it's totally fair to criticise her for the enormous number of things she's done wrong. Her inept decision-making, her flawed reasoning, her dissembling, her deceit, her "smugness", her cowardice. Call her out for her lack of experience, lack of football knowledge, lack of senior staff. Point eh finger at her for her callous attitude to the fans and the club's history. Demonstrate how she's failed in the most important aspect of her job - recruitment.
If you have to, have a op at her dress sense.
But don't break the law by throwing racist chants or comments in her direction. Rise above it. It gives her more ammunition than she deserves.
Racialist isn't a real word is it? And no matter what it says us (living in England) can not be racist toward Belgium as give or take a bit of multi-multiculturalism we are the same race. We could be being nationalist or prejudice.
Personally I am against the gender and nationality based abuse though. Lots of other things are fair game though.3 -
Would 'Flemish Wankers' be considered racist?0
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Just to make sure as my post is a bit unclear. It is not racist for English people to use the term Belgian/Belgium in its abuse, we are the same race. It may be nationalist though.AddicksAddict said:
I'm not sure you could prove "Belgian wankers" is a racist term. It's pointing out which particular wankers we want out of our club.Cordoban Addick said:Chizz said:A quick reminder for anyone who still thinks "it's ok, because Belgian isn't a race":
Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
Hope that's clear. Do not chant threats, abuse or insults at someone because of that person's nationality. It's a criminal offence.
In all other respects, I believe it's totally fair to criticise her for the enormous number of things she's done wrong. Her inept decision-making, her flawed reasoning, her dissembling, her deceit, her "smugness", her cowardice. Call her out for her lack of experience, lack of football knowledge, lack of senior staff. Point eh finger at her for her callous attitude to the fans and the club's history. Demonstrate how she's failed in the most important aspect of her job - recruitment.
If you have to, have a op at her dress sense.
But don't break the law by throwing racist chants or comments in her direction. Rise above it. It gives her more ammunition than she deserves.
Racialist isn't a real word is it? And no matter what it says us (living in England) can not be racist toward Belgium as give or take a bit of multi-multiculturalism we are the same race. We could be being nationalist or prejudice.
Personally I am against the gender and nationality based abuse though. Lots of other things are fair game though.0 -
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So, despite having the detailed, clear explanation from the CPS, you still think it's not possible to be "racist toward Belgium"?Cordoban Addick said:Chizz said:A quick reminder for anyone who still thinks "it's ok, because Belgian isn't a race":
Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
Hope that's clear. Do not chant threats, abuse or insults at someone because of that person's nationality. It's a criminal offence.
In all other respects, I believe it's totally fair to criticise her for the enormous number of things she's done wrong. Her inept decision-making, her flawed reasoning, her dissembling, her deceit, her "smugness", her cowardice. Call her out for her lack of experience, lack of football knowledge, lack of senior staff. Point eh finger at her for her callous attitude to the fans and the club's history. Demonstrate how she's failed in the most important aspect of her job - recruitment.
If you have to, have a op at her dress sense.
But don't break the law by throwing racist chants or comments in her direction. Rise above it. It gives her more ammunition than she deserves.
Racialist isn't a real word is it? And no matter what it says us (living in England) can not be racist toward Belgium as give or take a bit of multi-multiculturalism we are the same race. We could be being nationalist or prejudice.
Personally I am against the gender and nationality based abuse though. Lots of other things are fair game though.1 -
I don't think we should complain , let her speak and let the world know how incompetent a CEO we have at Charlton. I'm sure the governing bodies have been inundated with messages of support for protection of incompetent foreign owners !!0
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I'm no expert on pancakes, but I know a tosser when I see one.maddferrett said:Caption competition?
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You pair of onanists get out of our club.AddicksAddict said:1 -
Not if you are the same race.Chizz said:.
So, despite having the detailed, clear explanation from the CPS, you still think it's not possible to be "racist toward Belgium"?Cordoban Addick said:Chizz said:A quick reminder for anyone who still thinks "it's ok, because Belgian isn't a race":
Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
Hope that's clear. Do not chant threats, abuse or insults at someone because of that person's nationality. It's a criminal offence.
In all other respects, I believe it's totally fair to criticise her for the enormous number of things she's done wrong. Her inept decision-making, her flawed reasoning, her dissembling, her deceit, her "smugness", her cowardice. Call her out for her lack of experience, lack of football knowledge, lack of senior staff. Point eh finger at her for her callous attitude to the fans and the club's history. Demonstrate how she's failed in the most important aspect of her job - recruitment.
If you have to, have a op at her dress sense.
But don't break the law by throwing racist chants or comments in her direction. Rise above it. It gives her more ammunition than she deserves.
Racialist isn't a real word is it? And no matter what it says us (living in England) can not be racist toward Belgium as give or take a bit of multi-multiculturalism we are the same race. We could be being nationalist or prejudice.
Personally I am against the gender and nationality based abuse though. Lots of other things are fair game though.0 -
OK. So the law's wrong and you're right. Got it, thanks.Cordoban Addick said:
Not if you are the same race.Chizz said:.
So, despite having the detailed, clear explanation from the CPS, you still think it's not possible to be "racist toward Belgium"?Cordoban Addick said:Chizz said:A quick reminder for anyone who still thinks "it's ok, because Belgian isn't a race":
Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
Hope that's clear. Do not chant threats, abuse or insults at someone because of that person's nationality. It's a criminal offence.
In all other respects, I believe it's totally fair to criticise her for the enormous number of things she's done wrong. Her inept decision-making, her flawed reasoning, her dissembling, her deceit, her "smugness", her cowardice. Call her out for her lack of experience, lack of football knowledge, lack of senior staff. Point eh finger at her for her callous attitude to the fans and the club's history. Demonstrate how she's failed in the most important aspect of her job - recruitment.
If you have to, have a op at her dress sense.
But don't break the law by throwing racist chants or comments in her direction. Rise above it. It gives her more ammunition than she deserves.
Racialist isn't a real word is it? And no matter what it says us (living in England) can not be racist toward Belgium as give or take a bit of multi-multiculturalism we are the same race. We could be being nationalist or prejudice.
Personally I am against the gender and nationality based abuse though. Lots of other things are fair game though.0 -
Yes that's right. Glad you got it in the end.Chizz said:
OK. So the law's wrong and you're right. Got it, thanks.Cordoban Addick said:
Not if you are the same race.Chizz said:.
So, despite having the detailed, clear explanation from the CPS, you still think it's not possible to be "racist toward Belgium"?Cordoban Addick said:Chizz said:A quick reminder for anyone who still thinks "it's ok, because Belgian isn't a race":
Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
Hope that's clear. Do not chant threats, abuse or insults at someone because of that person's nationality. It's a criminal offence.
In all other respects, I believe it's totally fair to criticise her for the enormous number of things she's done wrong. Her inept decision-making, her flawed reasoning, her dissembling, her deceit, her "smugness", her cowardice. Call her out for her lack of experience, lack of football knowledge, lack of senior staff. Point eh finger at her for her callous attitude to the fans and the club's history. Demonstrate how she's failed in the most important aspect of her job - recruitment.
If you have to, have a op at her dress sense.
But don't break the law by throwing racist chants or comments in her direction. Rise above it. It gives her more ammunition than she deserves.
Racialist isn't a real word is it? And no matter what it says us (living in England) can not be racist toward Belgium as give or take a bit of multi-multiculturalism we are the same race. We could be being nationalist or prejudice.
Personally I am against the gender and nationality based abuse though. Lots of other things are fair game though.0 -
Is 'you dirty northern bastards' racist?0
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No. But it is factualcafc_harry said:Is 'you dirty northern bastards' racist?
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If you "play the race card" does that make everything you say racist?
Is it like a "Get out of jail free" card in Monopoly?0 -
Yeah those swedes.
Good with haggis.0 -
I take it from the thread title that CAST are still 'considering' FA action on KM comments and are yet to reach the inevitable conclusion.0
