+++Bergdich deal agreed....SIGNED - 4 YEAR DEAL+++

hudson-son-son said:

Swisdom said:

But the fact they seemed pretty happy the day after on twitter means there is a good chance this was blown all out of proportion.

Or a good chance she is scared to continue with the prosecution like what happens in a lot of cases.

You're basically inventing a story in your head with no evidence. Nobody likes someone who beats their wife, and nobody is condoning it, but if you make stuff up based on one news story when there's been no arrest and the two of them seemed happy enough the next day... kind of seems like you're desperate to be offended.

SheffieldRed said:

Not long ago a Charlton player was accused of committing a very serious crime / crimes. Given the outcome of that, I would of thought most people would have waited until someone was convicted before saying x, y and z.

Too many unknowns.

Innocent until proven otherwise.

spot on mate.

Now, I know nothing of Italian law, but could it be that in such an instance the other person is arrested/charged as a matter of course until it's properly investigated?

BringBackMendonca said:

5 goals on 39 games is pretty good for a left back.

I'm probably wrong but I can't remember us having many goalscoring full backs?

Konchesky chipped in but I've just looked and his record was 5 in 149 games, in the short time he was with us Greg Shields scored a few belters!

I'd wager most of Konchesky's goals came when he played in midfield (where he was far better for us)

hudson-son-son said:

Addicted said:

You're basically inventing a story in your head with no evidence. Nobody likes someone who beats their wife, and nobody is condoning it, but if you make stuff up based on one news story when there's been no arrest and the two of them seemed happy enough the next day... kind of seems like you're desperate to be offended.

Like people are inventing the interpretation from a story that claims "he assaulted his wife who had injuries for 15 days" that he either didn't do it or it could have been as little as a bruised wrist.

There's your issue

Henry Irving said:

Swisdom said:

Maybe. The fact is its nobody's business but theirs and shouldn't continually be brought up in the context of a new player signing for the club.

From what we know it was a one-off isolated incident that could have been nothing and could have been something.

He's innocent until proven guilty and all we are interested in is whether he can play football.

No.

That might be all YOU are interested but don't assume that is all WE are interested in.

We don't know the details or the outcome of this particular case but I disagree completely that abuse is "nobody's business but theirs"

There's no proof of abuse therefore it is nobody's business but theirs.

Right now as things currently stand there was an altercation of some description. The police were called. There is nothing else reported in the press and he hasn't been charged with anything. Therefore in my, clearly feeble, mind he's just a bloke who plays football.

As has been said - the club can't have not noticed this and are clearly comfortable with it being something out of nothing or an isolated incident.

I am not condoning domestic violence - I abhor it as I've seen it happening twice to relatives. And if he turns out to be the big bad man some are painting him as then I'll join the queue to berate him and will question the acumen of those who signed him,

I reiterate - he is, in the eyes of the law, just a normal bloke who plays football and MY only interest is how well he can do that.

If it was down to a few of you on here Jordan Cousins would of been let go when he was 16,
unless something else comes out to prove Bergdich has done any thing wrong I will back him like any other Charlton player.

Swisdom said:

Henry Irving said:

Swisdom said:

Maybe. The fact is its nobody's business but theirs and shouldn't continually be brought up in the context of a new player signing for the club.

From what we know it was a one-off isolated incident that could have been nothing and could have been something.

He's innocent until proven guilty and all we are interested in is whether he can play football.

No.

That might be all YOU are interested but don't assume that is all WE are interested in.

We don't know the details or the outcome of this particular case but I disagree completely that abuse is "nobody's business but theirs"

There's no proof of abuse therefore it is nobody's business but theirs.

Right now as things currently stand there was an altercation of some description. The police were called. There is nothing else reported in the press and he hasn't been charged with anything. Therefore in my, clearly feeble, mind he's just a bloke who plays football.

As has been said - the club can't have not noticed this and are clearly comfortable with it being something out of nothing or an isolated incident.

I am not condoning domestic violence - I abhor it as I've seen it happening twice to relatives. And if he turns out to be the big bad man some are painting him as then I'll join the queue to berate him and will question the acumen of those who signed him,

I reiterate - he is, in the eyes of the law, just a normal bloke who plays football and MY only interest is how well he can do that.

That's fine and I agree that he is innocent until proved guilty in English law. He shouldn't be condemned on rumour or an accusation.

Just don't like reading statements like "all we are interested in is whether he can play football" because it reads, rightly or wrongly, as if domestic abuse doesn't matter. You've made it clear now that that isn't the case for you and I accept that totally but that wasn't how it read at first.

ValleyGary said:

Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???

Not necessarily.

I suspect when looking to sign any player most, if not all, well run clubs look at the person as well as the player. With any player, any known allegations would almost certainly be addressed. If the club had concerns with regard to any players future availability as a result of events in the past, then these could potentially be addressed in both the contract with the selling club and also the contract with the player.

I doubt any football club would be put of signing a player simply on an unsubstantiated allegation.


As an individual supporter, a footballer must be treated the same way as anyone else and that is a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.

I find it somewhat disheartening that people are jumping on the domestic abuse band wagon, we know nothing of this case.

You don't know what happened.

You have no right to state he was beating his wife.

You have no reason to say he was innocent.

The fact they were pictured together the next day means nothing.

Who says an injury will take exactly 15 days to heal? Why not 2 weeks?

Who sold that detail to the paper?
Did they get more money for saying it was abuse?

Was Bergdich actually arrested?
Did the police request to talk to him about an injury his wife sustained?

Was the so called violence her striking him and in his attempts to stop her she got hurt?

Did you know 40% of domestic abuse cases in straight relationships are the female striking or mentally abusing their male counterpart?

Domestic abuse is disgusting and shouldn't be condoned by any.

But literally all of this is hearsay and rumour and Bergdich doesnt even seem to be being investigated.

So I will let him do what he does best, which is hopefully playing football.

Dazzler21 said:

You have no reason to say he was innocent.

We have every reason to say he's innocent, as it stands, he is.

Peter Shirtliff was also accused of domestic abuse, but he still became, (and remains) a Charlton Legend. Personally after hearing that I could never think the same of him.

We dont know the circumstance behind this, and we can only give Bergdich the benefit of the doubt and trust this doesnt re-occur. The key thing is what he does on the pitch but I do feel uncomfortable that we have signed him.

Halix said:

but I do feel uncomfortable that we have signed him.

do you feel uncomfortable that we have signed Makionok, Bauer, Kashi or Ba?