But the fact they seemed pretty happy the day after on twitter means there is a good chance this was blown all out of proportion.
Or a good chance she is scared to continue with the prosecution like what happens in a lot of cases.
You're basically inventing a story in your head with no evidence. Nobody likes someone who beats their wife, and nobody is condoning it, but if you make stuff up based on one news story when there's been no arrest and the two of them seemed happy enough the next day... kind of seems like you're desperate to be offended.
Not long ago a Charlton player was accused of committing a very serious crime / crimes. Given the outcome of that, I would of thought most people would have waited until someone was convicted before saying x, y and z.
Too many unknowns.
Innocent until proven otherwise.
spot on mate.
Now, I know nothing of Italian law, but could it be that in such an instance the other person is arrested/charged as a matter of course until it's properly investigated?
You're basically inventing a story in your head with no evidence. Nobody likes someone who beats their wife, and nobody is condoning it, but if you make stuff up based on one news story when there's been no arrest and the two of them seemed happy enough the next day... kind of seems like you're desperate to be offended.
Like people are inventing the interpretation from a story that claims "he assaulted his wife who had injuries for 15 days" that he either didn't do it or it could have been as little as a bruised wrist.
Innocent until proved guilty. However from the clubs perspective I'm sure they are aware of the accusations made, so I assume they have looked into the alledged case before committing the club to his signature, if they haven't and subsequent events unfold that are detrimental to CAFCs reputation then they will look bloody silly. So based on the above I'm gonna back him as a CAFC player, until it's proved he does have a case to answer and he is guilty, which I suspect wont happen.
You're basically inventing a story in your head with no evidence. Nobody likes someone who beats their wife, and nobody is condoning it, but if you make stuff up based on one news story when there's been no arrest and the two of them seemed happy enough the next day... kind of seems like you're desperate to be offended.
Like people are inventing the interpretation from a story that claims "he assaulted his wife who had injuries for 15 days" that he either didn't do it or it could have been as little as a bruised wrist.
Maybe. The fact is its nobody's business but theirs and shouldn't continually be brought up in the context of a new player signing for the club.
From what we know it was a one-off isolated incident that could have been nothing and could have been something.
He's innocent until proven guilty and all we are interested in is whether he can play football.
No.
That might be all YOU are interested but don't assume that is all WE are interested in.
We don't know the details or the outcome of this particular case but I disagree completely that abuse is "nobody's business but theirs"
There's no proof of abuse therefore it is nobody's business but theirs.
Right now as things currently stand there was an altercation of some description. The police were called. There is nothing else reported in the press and he hasn't been charged with anything. Therefore in my, clearly feeble, mind he's just a bloke who plays football.
As has been said - the club can't have not noticed this and are clearly comfortable with it being something out of nothing or an isolated incident.
I am not condoning domestic violence - I abhor it as I've seen it happening twice to relatives. And if he turns out to be the big bad man some are painting him as then I'll join the queue to berate him and will question the acumen of those who signed him,
I reiterate - he is, in the eyes of the law, just a normal bloke who plays football and MY only interest is how well he can do that.
Like people are inventing the interpretation from a story that claims "he assaulted his wife who had injuries for 15 days" that he either didn't do it or it could have been as little as a bruised wrist.
There's your issue
Sure but there isn't a lot else to go on the guy is there? If the story is complete bollocks then I take it back but writing a story that someone has been arrested for domestic assault you'd better have pretty strong sources it's not like writing a football rumour or some affair.
If it was down to a few of you on here Jordan Cousins would of been let go when he was 16, unless something else comes out to prove Bergdich has done any thing wrong I will back him like any other Charlton player.
So back to the player - according to transfermarkt, he started 10 games in Seria A last season (bloody impressive for a 6th placed team!) and started all those games at either left midfield or left wing..........
With JBG behind the front 2 and Kashi or Ba holding?
Looks really nice to me.
EDIT - Forgot Cousins! Erm - Bergdich as a left wing back with Ba, Cousins and Gudmundsson as a central 3? Where would Henry fit in? With Kashi on the bench and Jacko for cameos every once in a while, Henry and Bergdich in would really increase our options and leave us simply needing to get the defence sorted.
Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???
Not long ago a Charlton player was accused of committing a very serious crime / crimes. Given the outcome of that, I would of thought most people would have waited until someone was convicted before saying x, y and z.
Get your point Sheffield, but my point is i would not have expected many other clubs to have come in for during that period whilst that was overhanging him.
That's my point about wanting to know what the facts are.
Of course, it could well mean with all this going on, Bergdich has attracted no interest at his market value and is now a cheaper proposition
Maybe. The fact is its nobody's business but theirs and shouldn't continually be brought up in the context of a new player signing for the club.
From what we know it was a one-off isolated incident that could have been nothing and could have been something.
He's innocent until proven guilty and all we are interested in is whether he can play football.
No.
That might be all YOU are interested but don't assume that is all WE are interested in.
We don't know the details or the outcome of this particular case but I disagree completely that abuse is "nobody's business but theirs"
There's no proof of abuse therefore it is nobody's business but theirs.
Right now as things currently stand there was an altercation of some description. The police were called. There is nothing else reported in the press and he hasn't been charged with anything. Therefore in my, clearly feeble, mind he's just a bloke who plays football.
As has been said - the club can't have not noticed this and are clearly comfortable with it being something out of nothing or an isolated incident.
I am not condoning domestic violence - I abhor it as I've seen it happening twice to relatives. And if he turns out to be the big bad man some are painting him as then I'll join the queue to berate him and will question the acumen of those who signed him,
I reiterate - he is, in the eyes of the law, just a normal bloke who plays football and MY only interest is how well he can do that.
That's fine and I agree that he is innocent until proved guilty in English law. He shouldn't be condemned on rumour or an accusation.
Just don't like reading statements like "all we are interested in is whether he can play football" because it reads, rightly or wrongly, as if domestic abuse doesn't matter. You've made it clear now that that isn't the case for you and I accept that totally but that wasn't how it read at first.
Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???
I suspect when looking to sign any player most, if not all, well run clubs look at the person as well as the player. With any player, any known allegations would almost certainly be addressed. If the club had concerns with regard to any players future availability as a result of events in the past, then these could potentially be addressed in both the contract with the selling club and also the contract with the player.
I doubt any football club would be put of signing a player simply on an unsubstantiated allegation.
As an individual supporter, a footballer must be treated the same way as anyone else and that is a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.
Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???
How has it come to this with Wiggins? Is it known that he is out of the door now?
It's come to this because he's picked up too many long term injuries. He can't seem to string a run of more than 10 games together & because of this he's not the player he was.
The club have said Bikey, Wiggins, Pigott are looking to be moved on. (Plus one other who I can't remember).
How has it come to this with Wiggins? Is it known that he is out of the door now?
It's come to this because he's picked up too many long term injuries. He can't seem to string a run of more than 10 games together & because of this he's not the player he was.
The club have said Bikey, Wiggins, Pigott are looking to be moved on. (Plus one other who I can't remember).
Peter Shirtliff was also accused of domestic abuse, but he still became, (and remains) a Charlton Legend. Personally after hearing that I could never think the same of him.
We dont know the circumstance behind this, and we can only give Bergdich the benefit of the doubt and trust this doesnt re-occur. The key thing is what he does on the pitch but I do feel uncomfortable that we have signed him.
Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???
Not necessarily.
I think I'm with @ValleyGary on this because Katrien in her interview with @WeegieAddick last year specifically mentioned the importance of character. And Katrien strikes me as someone who is ready to take a stand when necessary.
Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???
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Now, I know nothing of Italian law, but could it be that in such an instance the other person is arrested/charged as a matter of course until it's properly investigated?
However from the clubs perspective I'm sure they are aware of the accusations made, so I assume they have looked into the alledged case before committing the club to his signature, if they haven't and subsequent events unfold that are detrimental to CAFCs reputation then they will look bloody silly.
So based on the above I'm gonna back him as a CAFC player, until it's proved he does have a case to answer and he is guilty, which I suspect wont happen.
"Jalalabad?"
"No! I'm a very good singer actually!"
Right now as things currently stand there was an altercation of some description. The police were called. There is nothing else reported in the press and he hasn't been charged with anything. Therefore in my, clearly feeble, mind he's just a bloke who plays football.
As has been said - the club can't have not noticed this and are clearly comfortable with it being something out of nothing or an isolated incident.
I am not condoning domestic violence - I abhor it as I've seen it happening twice to relatives. And if he turns out to be the big bad man some are painting him as then I'll join the queue to berate him and will question the acumen of those who signed him,
I reiterate - he is, in the eyes of the law, just a normal bloke who plays football and MY only interest is how well he can do that.
Sure but there isn't a lot else to go on the guy is there? If the story is complete bollocks then I take it back but writing a story that someone has been arrested for domestic assault you'd better have pretty strong sources it's not like writing a football rumour or some affair.
unless something else comes out to prove Bergdich has done any thing wrong I will back him like any other Charlton player.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/zakarya-bergdich/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/149540/saison/2014/wettbewerb/IT1/verein/252
Henry, Kashi / Ba, Gudmundsson, Bergdich
With JBG behind the front 2 and Kashi or Ba holding?
Looks really nice to me.
EDIT - Forgot Cousins! Erm - Bergdich as a left wing back with Ba, Cousins and Gudmundsson as a central 3? Where would Henry fit in? With Kashi on the bench and Jacko for cameos every once in a while, Henry and Bergdich in would really increase our options and leave us simply needing to get the defence sorted.
That's my point about wanting to know what the facts are.
Of course, it could well mean with all this going on, Bergdich has attracted no interest at his market value and is now a cheaper proposition
Just don't like reading statements like "all we are interested in is whether he can play football" because it reads, rightly or wrongly, as if domestic abuse doesn't matter. You've made it clear now that that isn't the case for you and I accept that totally but that wasn't how it read at first.
"Jamaica?"
"No! It was by her own accord."
I suspect when looking to sign any player most, if not all, well run clubs look at the person as well as the player. With any player, any known allegations would almost certainly be addressed. If the club had concerns with regard to any players future availability as a result of events in the past, then these could potentially be addressed in both the contract with the selling club and also the contract with the player.
I doubt any football club would be put of signing a player simply on an unsubstantiated allegation.
As an individual supporter, a footballer must be treated the same way as anyone else and that is a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.
You don't know what happened.
You have no right to state he was beating his wife.
You have no reason to say he was innocent.
The fact they were pictured together the next day means nothing.
Who says an injury will take exactly 15 days to heal? Why not 2 weeks?
Who sold that detail to the paper?
Did they get more money for saying it was abuse?
Was Bergdich actually arrested?
Did the police request to talk to him about an injury his wife sustained?
Was the so called violence her striking him and in his attempts to stop her she got hurt?
Did you know 40% of domestic abuse cases in straight relationships are the female striking or mentally abusing their male counterpart?
Domestic abuse is disgusting and shouldn't be condoned by any.
But literally all of this is hearsay and rumour and Bergdich doesnt even seem to be being investigated.
So I will let him do what he does best, which is hopefully playing football.
The club have said Bikey, Wiggins, Pigott are looking to be moved on. (Plus one other who I can't remember).
We dont know the circumstance behind this, and we can only give Bergdich the benefit of the doubt and trust this doesnt re-occur. The key thing is what he does on the pitch but I do feel uncomfortable that we have signed him.