+++Bergdich deal agreed....SIGNED - 4 YEAR DEAL+++
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You're basically inventing a story in your head with no evidence. Nobody likes someone who beats their wife, and nobody is condoning it, but if you make stuff up based on one news story when there's been no arrest and the two of them seemed happy enough the next day... kind of seems like you're desperate to be offended.hudson-son-son said:
Or a good chance she is scared to continue with the prosecution like what happens in a lot of cases.Swisdom said:
But the fact they seemed pretty happy the day after on twitter means there is a good chance this was blown all out of proportion.5 -
I agree in law he's innocent until found guilty but as important as his football ability is, his character is also a factor.Swisdom said:Maybe. The fact is its nobody's business but theirs and shouldn't continually be brought up in the context of a new player signing for the club.
From what we know it was a one-off isolated incident that could have been nothing and could have been something.
He's innocent until proven guilty and all we are interested in is whether he can play football.
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spot on mate.SheffieldRed said:
Not long ago a Charlton player was accused of committing a very serious crime / crimes. Given the outcome of that, I would of thought most people would have waited until someone was convicted before saying x, y and z.
Too many unknowns.
Innocent until proven otherwise.
Now, I know nothing of Italian law, but could it be that in such an instance the other person is arrested/charged as a matter of course until it's properly investigated?
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Like people are inventing the interpretation from a story that claims "he assaulted his wife who had injuries for 15 days" that he either didn't do it or it could have been as little as a bruised wrist.Addicted said:
You're basically inventing a story in your head with no evidence. Nobody likes someone who beats their wife, and nobody is condoning it, but if you make stuff up based on one news story when there's been no arrest and the two of them seemed happy enough the next day... kind of seems like you're desperate to be offended.1 -
I'd wager most of Konchesky's goals came when he played in midfield (where he was far better for us)BringBackMendonca said:5 goals on 39 games is pretty good for a left back.
I'm probably wrong but I can't remember us having many goalscoring full backs?
Konchesky chipped in but I've just looked and his record was 5 in 149 games, in the short time he was with us Greg Shields scored a few belters!0 -
Innocent until proved guilty.
However from the clubs perspective I'm sure they are aware of the accusations made, so I assume they have looked into the alledged case before committing the club to his signature, if they haven't and subsequent events unfold that are detrimental to CAFCs reputation then they will look bloody silly.
So based on the above I'm gonna back him as a CAFC player, until it's proved he does have a case to answer and he is guilty, which I suspect wont happen.6 -
There's your issuehudson-son-son said:
Like people are inventing the interpretation from a story that claims "he assaulted his wife who had injuries for 15 days" that he either didn't do it or it could have been as little as a bruised wrist.Addicted said:
You're basically inventing a story in your head with no evidence. Nobody likes someone who beats their wife, and nobody is condoning it, but if you make stuff up based on one news story when there's been no arrest and the two of them seemed happy enough the next day... kind of seems like you're desperate to be offended.1 -
There's no proof of abuse therefore it is nobody's business but theirs.Henry Irving said:
No.Swisdom said:Maybe. The fact is its nobody's business but theirs and shouldn't continually be brought up in the context of a new player signing for the club.
From what we know it was a one-off isolated incident that could have been nothing and could have been something.
He's innocent until proven guilty and all we are interested in is whether he can play football.
That might be all YOU are interested but don't assume that is all WE are interested in.
We don't know the details or the outcome of this particular case but I disagree completely that abuse is "nobody's business but theirs"
Right now as things currently stand there was an altercation of some description. The police were called. There is nothing else reported in the press and he hasn't been charged with anything. Therefore in my, clearly feeble, mind he's just a bloke who plays football.
As has been said - the club can't have not noticed this and are clearly comfortable with it being something out of nothing or an isolated incident.
I am not condoning domestic violence - I abhor it as I've seen it happening twice to relatives. And if he turns out to be the big bad man some are painting him as then I'll join the queue to berate him and will question the acumen of those who signed him,
I reiterate - he is, in the eyes of the law, just a normal bloke who plays football and MY only interest is how well he can do that.
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There's your issueAddicted said:
Like people are inventing the interpretation from a story that claims "he assaulted his wife who had injuries for 15 days" that he either didn't do it or it could have been as little as a bruised wrist.
Sure but there isn't a lot else to go on the guy is there? If the story is complete bollocks then I take it back but writing a story that someone has been arrested for domestic assault you'd better have pretty strong sources it's not like writing a football rumour or some affair.
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If it was down to a few of you on here Jordan Cousins would of been let go when he was 16,
unless something else comes out to prove Bergdich has done any thing wrong I will back him like any other Charlton player.11 -
So back to the player - according to transfermarkt, he started 10 games in Seria A last season (bloody impressive for a 6th placed team!) and started all those games at either left midfield or left wing..........
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/zakarya-bergdich/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/149540/saison/2014/wettbewerb/IT1/verein/252
Henry, Kashi / Ba, Gudmundsson, Bergdich
With JBG behind the front 2 and Kashi or Ba holding?
Looks really nice to me.
EDIT - Forgot Cousins! Erm - Bergdich as a left wing back with Ba, Cousins and Gudmundsson as a central 3? Where would Henry fit in? With Kashi on the bench and Jacko for cameos every once in a while, Henry and Bergdich in would really increase our options and leave us simply needing to get the defence sorted.6 -
Get your point Sheffield, but my point is i would not have expected many other clubs to have come in for during that period whilst that was overhanging him.SheffieldRed said:
Not long ago a Charlton player was accused of committing a very serious crime / crimes. Given the outcome of that, I would of thought most people would have waited until someone was convicted before saying x, y and z.
That's my point about wanting to know what the facts are.
Of course, it could well mean with all this going on, Bergdich has attracted no interest at his market value and is now a cheaper proposition1 -
Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???12
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That's fine and I agree that he is innocent until proved guilty in English law. He shouldn't be condemned on rumour or an accusation.Swisdom said:
There's no proof of abuse therefore it is nobody's business but theirs.Henry Irving said:
No.Swisdom said:Maybe. The fact is its nobody's business but theirs and shouldn't continually be brought up in the context of a new player signing for the club.
From what we know it was a one-off isolated incident that could have been nothing and could have been something.
He's innocent until proven guilty and all we are interested in is whether he can play football.
That might be all YOU are interested but don't assume that is all WE are interested in.
We don't know the details or the outcome of this particular case but I disagree completely that abuse is "nobody's business but theirs"
Right now as things currently stand there was an altercation of some description. The police were called. There is nothing else reported in the press and he hasn't been charged with anything. Therefore in my, clearly feeble, mind he's just a bloke who plays football.
As has been said - the club can't have not noticed this and are clearly comfortable with it being something out of nothing or an isolated incident.
I am not condoning domestic violence - I abhor it as I've seen it happening twice to relatives. And if he turns out to be the big bad man some are painting him as then I'll join the queue to berate him and will question the acumen of those who signed him,
I reiterate - he is, in the eyes of the law, just a normal bloke who plays football and MY only interest is how well he can do that.
Just don't like reading statements like "all we are interested in is whether he can play football" because it reads, rightly or wrongly, as if domestic abuse doesn't matter. You've made it clear now that that isn't the case for you and I accept that totally but that wasn't how it read at first.2 -
"Katrien has signed a player from Kingston"seth plum said:
"Katrien has signed a player from Afghanistan"Chizz said:"Katrien has signed a player that was on loan at an Italian club".
"Genoa?"
"Not very well, but I have met her a couple of times".
"Jalalabad?"
"No! I'm a very good singer actually!"
"Jamaica?"
"No! It was by her own accord."10 -
Not necessarily.ValleyGary said:Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???
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Move with the times Henry. Its always on Twitter and Facebook first.Henry Irving said:
Says agreed a deal, not signed it.AFKABartram said:According to Cawley's earlier tweet, on a long term deal
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I suspect when looking to sign any player most, if not all, well run clubs look at the person as well as the player. With any player, any known allegations would almost certainly be addressed. If the club had concerns with regard to any players future availability as a result of events in the past, then these could potentially be addressed in both the contract with the selling club and also the contract with the player.
I doubt any football club would be put of signing a player simply on an unsubstantiated allegation.
As an individual supporter, a footballer must be treated the same way as anyone else and that is a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.0 -
How has it come to this with Wiggins? Is it known that he is out of the door now?0
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I find it somewhat disheartening that people are jumping on the domestic abuse band wagon, we know nothing of this case.
You don't know what happened.
You have no right to state he was beating his wife.
You have no reason to say he was innocent.
The fact they were pictured together the next day means nothing.
Who says an injury will take exactly 15 days to heal? Why not 2 weeks?
Who sold that detail to the paper?
Did they get more money for saying it was abuse?
Was Bergdich actually arrested?
Did the police request to talk to him about an injury his wife sustained?
Was the so called violence her striking him and in his attempts to stop her she got hurt?
Did you know 40% of domestic abuse cases in straight relationships are the female striking or mentally abusing their male counterpart?
Domestic abuse is disgusting and shouldn't be condoned by any.
But literally all of this is hearsay and rumour and Bergdich doesnt even seem to be being investigated.
So I will let him do what he does best, which is hopefully playing football.2 -
Great input.iainment said:
Not necessarily.ValleyGary said:Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???
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It's come to this because he's picked up too many long term injuries. He can't seem to string a run of more than 10 games together & because of this he's not the player he was.Rob62 said:How has it come to this with Wiggins? Is it known that he is out of the door now?
The club have said Bikey, Wiggins, Pigott are looking to be moved on. (Plus one other who I can't remember).0 -
We have every reason to say he's innocent, as it stands, he is.Dazzler21 said:You have no reason to say he was innocent.
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We have every reason to say he's innocent, as it stands, he is.Dazzler21 said:You have no reason to say he was innocent.
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And Harriott wasn't it?Covered End said:
It's come to this because he's picked up too many long term injuries. He can't seem to string a run of more than 10 games together & because of this he's not the player he was.Rob62 said:How has it come to this with Wiggins? Is it known that he is out of the door now?
The club have said Bikey, Wiggins, Pigott are looking to be moved on. (Plus one other who I can't remember).0 -
Peter Shirtliff was also accused of domestic abuse, but he still became, (and remains) a Charlton Legend. Personally after hearing that I could never think the same of him.
We dont know the circumstance behind this, and we can only give Bergdich the benefit of the doubt and trust this doesnt re-occur. The key thing is what he does on the pitch but I do feel uncomfortable that we have signed him.1 -
I think I'm with @ValleyGary on this because Katrien in her interview with @WeegieAddick last year specifically mentioned the importance of character. And Katrien strikes me as someone who is ready to take a stand when necessary.iainment said:
Not necessarily.ValleyGary said:Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???
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do you feel uncomfortable that we have signed Makionok, Bauer, Kashi or Ba?Halix said:but I do feel uncomfortable that we have signed him.
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Thank you.Dazzler21 said:
Great input.iainment said:
Not necessarily.ValleyGary said:Considering the person that currently runs our football club is a woman, do people not think something like a domestic abuse rumour would have been thoroughly investigated before offering a long term contract???
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