Jamaica’s prowess in broader athletic terms is quite astonishing. As far as football is concerned it’s probably a bit of an undiscovered goldmine in terms of Jamaican football league talent. Great forward thinking by the club for exploring the potential.
Interesting we've picked Jamaica as our feeder nation, very few top-end footballing athletes have emerged from there.
Possibly being whooshed but my god Jamaica have churned out some athletic talent over the decades. Less of footballers than other codes but Jesus i’d not be writing Jamaica off as a target talent market. Jamaica has the population of say Manchester. How many gold medals has Manchester won at the Olympics ?
google says 6 athletes have won gold medals from that area.
The majority of the teenagers in the Uk now with Jamaican roots are 3rd generation lads from the Caribbean from the days of the 'windrush generation' that came to Tilbury originally from '48' when the NHS, Royal mail and London transport advertised.
Interesting that Kaheim Dixon who's a Kingston, Jamaican lad, has had coaching until 19 in his country of birth. Cafc don't have category 1 status so I don't believe we can get any 16 to 18 year olds that are academy age? McNamee-Burke being coached in the Netherlands after leaving Jamaica and only 17 so perhaps there are loop holes after seeing he has signed for CAFC ?
Many Jamaican youngsters chose Athletics, baseball or basketball but certainly a market and opportunities to recruit if Charlton can increase their profile amongst the nearly 3 million population.
Jamaica’s prowess in broader athletic terms is quite astonishing. As far as football is concerned it’s probably a bit of an undiscovered goldmine in terms of Jamaican football league talent. Great forward thinking by the club for exploring the potential.
I had a chat with Charlie about this last season. Just before we signed up with Mount Pleasant.
It’s fascinating really. When the slave trade all started apparently Jamaica got first refusal on the African slaves so they obviously chose the fittest and strongest. Since then they have just maintained a gene pool of excellent physical specimens and this leads to the thought process they Jamaica is a potential goldmine. he had some statics but I can’t recall them. But it was quite an enlightening and interesting chat really and hopefully explains our current tie-in with all things Jamaican
Jamaica’s prowess in broader athletic terms is quite astonishing. As far as football is concerned it’s probably a bit of an undiscovered goldmine in terms of Jamaican football league talent. Great forward thinking by the club for exploring the potential.
I had a chat with Charlie about this last season. Just before we signed up with Mount Pleasant.
It’s fascinating really. When the slave trade all started apparently Jamaica got first refusal on the African slaves so they obviously chose the fittest and strongest. Since then they have just maintained a gene pool of excellent physical specimens and this leads to the thought process they Jamaica is a potential goldmine. he had some statics but I can’t recall them. But it was quite an enlightening and interesting chat really and hopefully explains our current tie-in with all things Jamaican
Looks like we’ve signed Nehmani McNamee-Burke, a 17 year old Jamaican winger who was with Dutch club FC Volendam last season.
Think he may have been on trial over the summer.
Good to see us sign a Jamaican, we're underrepresented on that side.
You’re right, I thought I recognised the name but couldn’t think where - he was on the team sheet below, taken from the u21 thread. I commented on most of them but missed him for some reason.
It’ll be interesting to see if he’s mainly with the u18s or u21s, the u21s need more players so wouldn’t surprise me if he’s with them, despite trialling with the u18s.
Interesting we've picked Jamaica as our feeder nation, very few top-end footballing athletes have emerged from there.
Possibly being whooshed but my god Jamaica have churned out some athletic talent over the decades. Less of footballers than other codes but Jesus i’d not be writing Jamaica off as a target talent market. Jamaica has the population of say Manchester. How many gold medals has Manchester won at the Olympics ?
No idea what whooshed means, but I specifically referred to footballing athletes, I know how well they perform at general athletics.
Interesting we've picked Jamaica as our feeder nation, very few top-end footballing athletes have emerged from there.
Possibly being whooshed but my god Jamaica have churned out some athletic talent over the decades. Less of footballers than other codes but Jesus i’d not be writing Jamaica off as a target talent market. Jamaica has the population of say Manchester. How many gold medals has Manchester won at the Olympics ?
No idea what whooshed means, but I specifically referred to footballing athletes, I know how well they perform at general athletics.
"Whoosh" on here is often used here on CharltonLife as a follow up comment (short form "I'm joking")... When someone makes a less than serious post, and it gets a reply thinking that it was serious.
e.g.
"I think Charlton are going to do the double over Millwall this season"
"Seriously mate... we've never even beaten them in my existence"
Interesting we've picked Jamaica as our feeder nation, very few top-end footballing athletes have emerged from there.
There are a lot of players of Jamaican descent who have been part of the England team for a long while now. Some of them like Raheem Sterling or John Barnes were born in Jamaica and some have Jamaican parents, like Morgan Gibbs-White, Kyle Walker and Sol Campbell. Typically those players have been the beneficiaries of a higher standard of training in England from a young age. Sterling almost certainly wouldn't have developed anywhere near as much as he did if he hadn't been in an English academy from the age of 10. I imagine part of our strategy with this is identifying potential that we can get for cheap on the basis that with a higher standard of coaching these players can be developed into better players and then utilised in the first team and sold on for a substantial profit. We're already competing with so many other clubs on our own patch and getting players poached by Category 1 teams out of our academy before they even reach the age to make any first team squad appearances, picking up these players for a small investment on proper contracts is a fairly low-risk strategy. You only need one of these players to develop into a Football League level player to benefit.
Fair retort and I don't care enough to carry out the due diligence on all of their backgrounds but I would like to know how many of them have come through the Jamaican footballing system and not benefitted from the English setup from an early age. Sterling for example grew up as a child in England. Also I'm not saying all Jamaican footballers aren't good or worth looking at, if there's individuals with talent then absolutely but it's the only pond we seem to be fishing in overseas and en masse, they hardly produce the same level of talent as South America for example. If we were looking for an overseas link I'd assume that would be a more regular stream of talent.
Looks like we’ve signed Nehmani McNamee-Burke, a 17 year old Jamaican winger who was with Dutch club FC Volendam last season.
Think he may have been on trial over the summer.
Good to see us sign a Jamaican, we're underrepresented on that side.
You’re right, I thought I recognised the name but couldn’t think where - he was on the team sheet below, taken from the u21 thread. I commented on most of them but missed him for some reason.
It’ll be interesting to see if he’s mainly with the u18s or u21s, the u21s need more players so wouldn’t surprise me if he’s with them, despite trialling with the u18s.
Another Nathan Jones masterclass, 45 min cameo at Southend looks the best player on the pitch and suddenly a move away is back on. Even if Bolton would offer us half his wages on a loan we would still probably be saving about 200-250k this season for what Jones considers our 8th choice striker
Looks like we’ve signed Nehmani McNamee-Burke, a 17 year old Jamaican winger who was with Dutch club FC Volendam last season.
Think he may have been on trial over the summer.
Good to see us sign a Jamaican, we're underrepresented on that side.
You’re right, I thought I recognised the name but couldn’t think where - he was on the team sheet below, taken from the u21 thread. I commented on most of them but missed him for some reason.
It’ll be interesting to see if he’s mainly with the u18s or u21s, the u21s need more players so wouldn’t surprise me if he’s with them, despite trialling with the u18s.
Some cracking names there and despite the Pub Landlord preferring Edward Thomas ! My 3 favourite names in no particular order:
Jamaica’s prowess in broader athletic terms is quite astonishing. As far as football is concerned it’s probably a bit of an undiscovered goldmine in terms of Jamaican football league talent. Great forward thinking by the club for exploring the potential.
I had a chat with Charlie about this last season. Just before we signed up with Mount Pleasant.
It’s fascinating really. When the slave trade all started apparently Jamaica got first refusal on the African slaves so they obviously chose the fittest and strongest. Since then they have just maintained a gene pool of excellent physical specimens and this leads to the thought process they Jamaica is a potential goldmine. he had some statics but I can’t recall them. But it was quite an enlightening and interesting chat really and hopefully explains our current tie-in with all things Jamaican
Who needs schools and education when Charlie can provide bite-sized history, culture and strategy lessons?!
P.S. Might be worth checking the post for an invoice over the upcoming 28 days.
Jamaica’s prowess in broader athletic terms is quite astonishing. As far as football is concerned it’s probably a bit of an undiscovered goldmine in terms of Jamaican football league talent. Great forward thinking by the club for exploring the potential.
I had a chat with Charlie about this last season. Just before we signed up with Mount Pleasant.
It’s fascinating really. When the slave trade all started apparently Jamaica got first refusal on the African slaves so they obviously chose the fittest and strongest. Since then they have just maintained a gene pool of excellent physical specimens and this leads to the thought process they Jamaica is a potential goldmine. he had some statics but I can’t recall them. But it was quite an enlightening and interesting chat really and hopefully explains our current tie-in with all things Jamaican
Who needs schools and education when Charlie can provide bite-sized history, culture and strategy lessons?!
P.S. Might be worth checking the post for an invoice over the upcoming 28 days.
The only lesson here is that you can't take the Eton out of the boy
Jamaica’s prowess in broader athletic terms is quite astonishing. As far as football is concerned it’s probably a bit of an undiscovered goldmine in terms of Jamaican football league talent. Great forward thinking by the club for exploring the potential.
I had a chat with Charlie about this last season. Just before we signed up with Mount Pleasant.
It’s fascinating really. When the slave trade all started apparently Jamaica got first refusal on the African slaves so they obviously chose the fittest and strongest. Since then they have just maintained a gene pool of excellent physical specimens and this leads to the thought process they Jamaica is a potential goldmine. he had some statics but I can’t recall them. But it was quite an enlightening and interesting chat really and hopefully explains our current tie-in with all things Jamaican
Thought there might be some reasoning, and it does indeed seem like the club/Charlie are banking on general athleticism and hoping to have better footballing structure rather than just because they like trips to the Caribbean!
Interesting we've picked Jamaica as our feeder nation, very few top-end footballing athletes have emerged from there.
There are a lot of players of Jamaican descent who have been part of the England team for a long while now. Some of them like Raheem Sterling or John Barnes were born in Jamaica and some have Jamaican parents, like Morgan Gibbs-White, Kyle Walker and Sol Campbell. Typically those players have been the beneficiaries of a higher standard of training in England from a young age. Sterling almost certainly wouldn't have developed anywhere near as much as he did if he hadn't been in an English academy from the age of 10. I imagine part of our strategy with this is identifying potential that we can get for cheap on the basis that with a higher standard of coaching these players can be developed into better players and then utilised in the first team and sold on for a substantial profit. We're already competing with so many other clubs on our own patch and getting players poached by Category 1 teams out of our academy before they even reach the age to make any first team squad appearances, picking up these players for a small investment on proper contracts is a fairly low-risk strategy. You only need one of these players to develop into a Football League level player to benefit.
Fair retort and I don't care enough to carry out the due diligence on all of their backgrounds but I would like to know how many of them have come through the Jamaican footballing system and not benefitted from the English setup from an early age. Sterling for example grew up as a child in England. Also I'm not saying all Jamaican footballers aren't good or worth looking at, if there's individuals with talent then absolutely but it's the only pond we seem to be fishing in overseas and en masse, they hardly produce the same level of talent as South America for example. If we were looking for an overseas link I'd assume that would be a more regular stream of talent.
I think the difference there would be cost. South America is a well known hotbed of talent and they generally get hoovered up by big clubs there who then are able to hold out for bigger fees. Chelsea paid £15.6m for a teenager from Boca, £13m and £13.7m for two from Santos, and this season £17.2m for one from Independiente del Valle in Ecuador and £29m for one from Palmeiras. All in the past three seasons. Granted these aren't Championship level players but we aren't at a level where we can easily prise South American talent away from clubs. There's also cultural considerations; Jamaican players speak English, there's a large integration of Jamaican culture into the UK and London and the footballing infrastructure over there is sufficiently small that a Championship team is a very appealing option. Football in South America is huge and players aren't going to leave aged 16/17 from Argentina or Brazil to sit in a second division English team's academy. We have to target nations that are still developing their football culture if we're going to be able to get them at all, let alone for cheap enough to make it not heavily affect our finances.
You can never be quite sure until the season unfolds of course, but my sense is that NJ, Chapple and Dr Will (there's more in the team doing this recruiting but those are the main names I know....) can pick 'em and can pick 'em very well indeed...... and maybe they're not quite done yet as well.....? I think we're going to see some very exciting football this season and I can't wait!!
Somehow cant see much exciting football coming from us myself. Can see a lot of hustle and bustle, and grinding out enough results for survival/lower midtable.
Our midfield will not be controlling many games.
I’m not expecting much free flowing exciting football whatsoever, we are not ready for that, what I am hoping for is gutsy, relentless, determined performances game in game out to grind enough points to assure our safety and to give us something to build on.
Our possession %age I am expecting to drop considerably and the bits of excitement we do get I think will come from Apter, TC, Tanto + on target long shots + goals (obviously).
We remain early days of a rebuilding process. The foundations are now good!
Interesting we've picked Jamaica as our feeder nation, very few top-end footballing athletes have emerged from there.
There are a lot of players of Jamaican descent who have been part of the England team for a long while now. Some of them like Raheem Sterling or John Barnes were born in Jamaica and some have Jamaican parents, like Morgan Gibbs-White, Kyle Walker and Sol Campbell. Typically those players have been the beneficiaries of a higher standard of training in England from a young age. Sterling almost certainly wouldn't have developed anywhere near as much as he did if he hadn't been in an English academy from the age of 10. I imagine part of our strategy with this is identifying potential that we can get for cheap on the basis that with a higher standard of coaching these players can be developed into better players and then utilised in the first team and sold on for a substantial profit. We're already competing with so many other clubs on our own patch and getting players poached by Category 1 teams out of our academy before they even reach the age to make any first team squad appearances, picking up these players for a small investment on proper contracts is a fairly low-risk strategy. You only need one of these players to develop into a Football League level player to benefit.
Fair retort and I don't care enough to carry out the due diligence on all of their backgrounds but I would like to know how many of them have come through the Jamaican footballing system and not benefitted from the English setup from an early age. Sterling for example grew up as a child in England. Also I'm not saying all Jamaican footballers aren't good or worth looking at, if there's individuals with talent then absolutely but it's the only pond we seem to be fishing in overseas and en masse, they hardly produce the same level of talent as South America for example. If we were looking for an overseas link I'd assume that would be a more regular stream of talent.
I think the difference there would be cost. South America is a well known hotbed of talent and they generally get hoovered up by big clubs there who then are able to hold out for bigger fees. Chelsea paid £15.6m for a teenager from Boca, £13m and £13.7m for two from Santos, and this season £17.2m for one from Independiente del Valle in Ecuador and £29m for one from Palmeiras. All in the past three seasons. Granted these aren't Championship level players but we aren't at a level where we can easily prise South American talent away from clubs. There's also cultural considerations; Jamaican players speak English, there's a large integration of Jamaican culture into the UK and London and the footballing infrastructure over there is sufficiently small that a Championship team is a very appealing option. Football in South America is huge and players aren't going to leave aged 16/17 from Argentina or Brazil to sit in a second division English team's academy. We have to target nations that are still developing their football culture if we're going to be able to get them at all, let alone for cheap enough to make it not heavily affect our finances.
I think it also depends on the ambitions of the club and whether we can get a stable Championship footing. When you become established top-end second tier, getting the talent required to push on through your academy requires fees - granted not Chelsea level but they're clearly outliers. Brighton have probably the best track record in that market with the likes of MacAllister, Caicedo etc all under £6-7m a piece. Before someone jumps on this point, I'm not suggesting we spend that much, but I'm also not suggesting we go for the best there is in those markets. The general standard however will be higher as football is the national sport of most of South America and I'm sure plenty of untapped networks across Uruguay, Argentina, Peru, Mexico. For now it seems like a reasonable investment to look at athletically gifted places with a view of cherry picking the best talent with little opposition, but I stand by my point that I don't believe we'll be picking up players any time soon from those networks of top-level Championship ability or higher - where you may do in other existing, albeit more expensive markets.
Jamaica’s prowess in broader athletic terms is quite astonishing. As far as football is concerned it’s probably a bit of an undiscovered goldmine in terms of Jamaican football league talent. Great forward thinking by the club for exploring the potential.
I had a chat with Charlie about this last season. Just before we signed up with Mount Pleasant.
It’s fascinating really. When the slave trade all started apparently Jamaica got first refusal on the African slaves so they obviously chose the fittest and strongest. Since then they have just maintained a gene pool of excellent physical specimens and this leads to the thought process they Jamaica is a potential goldmine. he had some statics but I can’t recall them. But it was quite an enlightening and interesting chat really and hopefully explains our current tie-in with all things Jamaican
Is the deal with Mount Pleasant still there? Methven posted the other day that he and the owner, Peter Gould, had bought a controlling stake in Belgian club - RAEC Mons. Sounds very much like we’ve been “dumped”!
He stated that “With an academy at Mount Pleasant stacked with youth and senior internationals aged 15 to 17, the time had come for us to find a permanent European home for the top Caribbean talent to fulfil their potential. I wouldn’t have come to Jamaica unless I truly believed that the Caribbean region is the next frontier for elite talent - but that talent needed a proper platform crafted for player development and sympathetic cultural adaptation. Together with our local Belgian partners, Hubert Ewbank, Bernard Courcelles and Simon van Kerckhoven, that is the work we now embark on.”
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Must say, he looks older than 17, be good to see how this one progresses...
Good to see us sign a Jamaican, we're underrepresented on that side.
Interesting that Kaheim Dixon who's a Kingston, Jamaican lad, has had coaching until 19 in his country of birth. Cafc don't have category 1 status so I don't believe we can get any 16 to 18 year olds that are academy age?
McNamee-Burke being coached in the Netherlands after leaving Jamaica and only 17 so perhaps there are loop holes after seeing he has signed for CAFC ?
Many Jamaican youngsters chose Athletics, baseball or basketball but certainly a market and opportunities to recruit if Charlton can increase their profile amongst the nearly 3 million population.
Other Caribbean islands are available !
he had some statics but I can’t recall them. But it was quite an enlightening and interesting chat really and hopefully explains our current tie-in with all things Jamaican
It’ll be interesting to see if he’s mainly with the u18s or u21s, the u21s need more players so wouldn’t surprise me if he’s with them, despite trialling with the u18s.
e.g.
"I think Charlton are going to do the double over Millwall this season"
"Seriously mate... we've never even beaten them in my existence"
"Whoosh"
Also I'm not saying all Jamaican footballers aren't good or worth looking at, if there's individuals with talent then absolutely but it's the only pond we seem to be fishing in overseas and en masse, they hardly produce the same level of talent as South America for example. If we were looking for an overseas link I'd assume that would be a more regular stream of talent.
Some cracking names there and despite the Pub Landlord preferring Edward Thomas !
My 3 favourite names in no particular order:
Ayden Minto St-Aimie
Phoenix Valentine
Kayode Peterkin
For now it seems like a reasonable investment to look at athletically gifted places with a view of cherry picking the best talent with little opposition, but I stand by my point that I don't believe we'll be picking up players any time soon from those networks of top-level Championship ability or higher - where you may do in other existing, albeit more expensive markets.