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East Stand Linesman/Assistant Referee

edited February 12 in General Charlton
As far as I am aware, it is still an offence for the goalkeeper to handle the ball outside the penalty area?
Second half last night, there must have been a dozen occasions when the Posh keeper's standing foot was a yard/metre outside his 18-yard line for clearance kicks, and each time the lino stood level with the line as the keeper prepared, then as the latter went to make the kick, the lino was sprinting toward half-way, never looking at the actual kick.  That, plus some absurd offside flags from the West Stand lino and 'several' inconsistent decisions by the ref - such a poor set of officials!
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  • I noticed that too and he was fairly blatant.  Most keepers seem to push the boundary of the box but he was the worst for a while - one day a lino will pick up on it.  Also whenever they had a free kick they always tried to gain 2-3 yards - but the ref picked up on it and kept sending them back.
  • Think the East Stand Lino did play a part in the red card though
  • Taxi_Lad said:
    Think the East Stand Lino did play a part in the red card though
    Did he? Don't think he spoke to the ref, he didn't even flag for the foul.
  • I thought that the ref was a prima donna, it was an eternity to show the red. 
    I think the Lino’s are told leave everything to the ref apart from offside. 
    We need professional referees , not people who are part timers doing it for a bit of pin money. 

    We should also have a clear path way for players to get their ref qualifications, once they have retired.
  • I read the title and thought there was a problem with the flooring in the East Stand.
    Exactly what i thought he meant
  • I thought that the ref was a prima donna, it was an eternity to show the red. 
    I think the Lino’s are told leave everything to the ref apart from offside. 
    We need professional referees , not people who are part timers doing it for a bit of pin money. 

    We should also have a clear path way for players to get their ref qualifications, once they have retired.
    Not sure there’s the money in the lower leagues to realistically fund professional referees. 
  • The west stand lino gave a few dubious offsides against us.
    We also thought their forward was offside for the penalty.
  • I read the title and thought there was a problem with the flooring in the East Stand.
    Exactly what i thought he meant

    Although there probably is :)
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  • I thought that the ref was a prima donna, it was an eternity to show the red. 
    I think the Lino’s are told leave everything to the ref apart from offside. 
    We need professional referees , not people who are part timers doing it for a bit of pin money. 

    We should also have a clear path way for players to get their ref qualifications, once they have retired.

    There already is a clear pathway - not sure ex-players should be able to fast track. 

    It's pretty basic really and I'm not convinced that ex-players would make better referees than those who have never played the professional game.

    - know the laws
    - apply the laws consistently
    - strength of character to deal with difficult conflict situations with assertiveness and not be intimidated
    - be an effective communicator
    - only intervene when it is necessary - the game is about the players, not the referee
    - maintain the required fitness levels
  • bobmunro said:
    chilham said:
    As far as I am aware, it is still an offence for the goalkeeper to handle the ball outside the penalty area?
    Second half last night, there must have been a dozen occasions when the Posh keeper's standing foot was a yard/metre outside his 18-yard line for clearance kicks, and each time the lino stood level with the line as the keeper prepared, then as the latter went to make the kick, the lino was sprinting toward half-way, never looking at the actual kick.  That, plus some absurd offside flags from the West Stand lino and 'several' inconsistent decisions by the ref - such a poor set of officials!

    Where his foot is is irrelevant (or any other part of his body) -it's where the ball is, and was ever thus. As long as the ball ceases to be in contact with his hands whilst the ball is still in the box then no offence of handball occurs.
    Watching closely on the last few occasions, the ball was still in the keeper's hand with his foot planted outside the 'area'. I doubt there is any video 'footage' as nothing of consequence came from his clearance kicks.
  • I read the title and thought there was a problem with the flooring in the East Stand.
    Amended!
  • luckily most linos are incompetent as every throw in by Josh Edwards would be flagged as a foul as he never keeps his foot behind the line
  • This reminds me of something that used to annoy me. My son is a keeper and in his youth team he worked on this technique. It looked like he might be handling outside the area but he always let go of the ball before it was out of the area. Opponents regularly moaned about this but he never had trouble with any refs. And rightly so.
  • Lino was awful and had no influence on the sending off. That was the ref who spotted it. Re the keeper, he carried the ball out of the area multiple times, it was bleedin obvious! But it didn't aid his kicking as he hammered it out of play most of the time ha!
  • Taxi_Lad said:
    Think the East Stand Lino did play a part in the red card though
    Did he? Don't think he spoke to the ref, he didn't even flag for the foul.
     The lino had nothing to do with that decision, this was done using Poundland VAR: 4th official watches the replay on his monitor, then has a word with the ref on his CIA headset.
  • The 3 officials for the Posh game were week below standard - even for this league. 
  • 801912601 said:
    luckily most linos are incompetent as every throw in by Josh Edwards would be flagged as a foul as he never keeps his foot behind the line

    And one foot is off the ground at the point he releases the ball.

    @sam3110, any thoughts on this?
  • edited February 12
    YTS1978 said:
    Lino was awful and had no influence on the sending off. That was the ref who spotted it. Re the keeper, he carried the ball out of the area multiple times, it was bleedin obvious! But it didn't aid his kicking as he hammered it out of play most of the time ha!
    A good ref would allow one infringement to go whilst making the keeper aware that any subsequent infringement would be penalised.

    Interpretation of the laws are being stretched (and have been for the last few years).

    Throw-ins where the foot is over (but still touching) the line are let go. Anyone that has ever played football knows this was (and should be) a foul throw, but the law is now interpreted differently, in the same way that at a corner the ball had to be inside the quadrant, but is now effectively outside.

    Then there is the fake injury to allow for coaching. The ref knows its a con, but lets them get away with it. AMB should be booked for feigning injury, and the linesman should ensure that their is no coaching going on by keeping Jones in his technical area and the players on the pitch. I know we have used this to our advantage, but its bollocks. 
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  • LeeValley said:
    The west stand lino gave a few dubious offsides against us.
    We also thought their forward was offside for the penalty.
    You mean for the foul outside the box I take it, and yes he looked off...
  • Lets face it Lino's are a total waste of time full stop...
  • edited February 12
    Lets face it Lino's are a total waste of time full stop...

    Be interesting to see a ref making a tight offside call whilst standing in the centre circle!
  • chilham said:
    bobmunro said:
    chilham said:
    As far as I am aware, it is still an offence for the goalkeeper to handle the ball outside the penalty area?
    Second half last night, there must have been a dozen occasions when the Posh keeper's standing foot was a yard/metre outside his 18-yard line for clearance kicks, and each time the lino stood level with the line as the keeper prepared, then as the latter went to make the kick, the lino was sprinting toward half-way, never looking at the actual kick.  That, plus some absurd offside flags from the West Stand lino and 'several' inconsistent decisions by the ref - such a poor set of officials!

    Where his foot is is irrelevant (or any other part of his body) -it's where the ball is, and was ever thus. As long as the ball ceases to be in contact with his hands whilst the ball is still in the box then no offence of handball occurs.
    Watching closely on the last few occasions, the ball was still in the keeper's hand with his foot planted outside the 'area'. I doubt there is any video 'footage' as nothing of consequence came from his clearance kicks.

    Was the ball in his hand outside the penalty area?
  • bobmunro said:
    Lets face it Lino's are a total waste of time full stop...

    Be interesting to see a ref making a tight offside call whilst standing in the centre circle!
    Yes it would...but I meant in general regarding making on field decisions, I thought they were there to assist the ref, not just wave for the odd offside...🤷‍♂️
  • bobmunro said:
    Lets face it Lino's are a total waste of time full stop...

    Be interesting to see a ref making a tight offside call whilst standing in the centre circle!
    Yes it would...but I meant in general regarding making on field decisions, I thought they were there to assist the ref, not just wave for the odd offside...🤷‍♂️

    Line calls and offsides is their bag - although you notice it in the Prem and Champ that ARs do give fouls (whether or not the ref agrees is another matter).
  • bobmunro said:
    bobmunro said:
    Lets face it Lino's are a total waste of time full stop...

    Be interesting to see a ref making a tight offside call whilst standing in the centre circle!
    Yes it would...but I meant in general regarding making on field decisions, I thought they were there to assist the ref, not just wave for the odd offside...🤷‍♂️

    Line calls and offsides is their bag - although you notice it in the Prem and Champ that ARs do give fouls (whether or not the ref agrees is another matter).
    Ok...🙄
  • Assistants do speak to the ref on their head pieces.

    Pretty sure the ref consulted the Curbs stand lino before giving the red as I could see them both talking without any players nearby.
  • The AC stand Lino made sure at corners the ball was in the D, but never spotted the defender standing within 10 yards of the corner flag.
  • The ball has to be fully out of the area when the keeper lets go of it.  Its the fully bit that seems to throw most people.

    I think with the first penalty, it isn't in the laws but from what I have seen in games, if a shot is goalbound and hits an arm, refs give pens. I assume they think a player could do more to avoid contact like put his arms behind his back. I hate what the hand ball law has become but I think the decision was consistent with how it is currently being interpreted.

    The sending off was typical of what you see where a player loses control and lunges stupidly almost instinctively. It is a sending off when a player goes stud first into the shin. And I doubt Small was playing up. This hurts even through a shin pad but the pad ensures the player isn't injured. I had this when I was playing when I was genuinely writhing in agony for a minute but was able to continue after that.

    The second penalty was outside the area. But I don't think it was a sending off wherever it was. I think it was a tangle with no real intent, but there doesn't need to be for it to be a foul. So the correct decision should have been a free kick on the edge of the box and the ref has to decide the intent and make a decision from there.
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