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Gavin Carter - Aug 2025 Talksport interview p8

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  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,042
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    I'd like to think this appointment could prove to be profitable in the next twelve months.
    Interested to know your thoughts as to why? I'm hoping the same to be fair.

    Purely on the basis that, as I understand it, he's the contact for the Americans, and he's a 'middle man'.
    Possibly that they are fidgety with Charlie and mates, and Carter may get on with the owners.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,890
    Hopefully he has had a direct chat with NJ without CM and co in attendance to get his take on what’s wrong. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,275
    Covered End said:
    fenaddick said:
    Covered End said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    Genuine question but did anyone within the supporter base know Gavin Carter or seen him at a game before he appeared on Twitter defending Sandgaard junior?

    Just curious to know how someone who the club puts out as 'lifelong supporter' and yet I have not come across anyone who remembers seeing or going to games with him from years gone by.

    Varney, Simmons, Bobe and White were very known/seen as supporters before they officially got involved with the club.
    I’ve thought the same since he was first announced.
    I expect he was more likely a West Stand home fan, that rarely went away (pure speculation based on the fact not one person have said they recognize him).
    I suspect there are lots of people on here who wouldn't be recognised either. If I suddenly became wealthy and bought a stake in the club I think there's a handful of people who would be able to vouch for me. We have a big stadium and take a decent amount away usually, it's easy to stay anonymous 
    Exactly.
    If you go to lots of away games you’ll be known and if you sit in The Covered End every game as well.

    If you rarely go away and sit in the wastelands of The West, you could quite easily not be recognised.

    You could sit in the north upper for just about every home game and not being recognised frankly.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    Covered End said:
    fenaddick said:
    Covered End said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    Genuine question but did anyone within the supporter base know Gavin Carter or seen him at a game before he appeared on Twitter defending Sandgaard junior?

    Just curious to know how someone who the club puts out as 'lifelong supporter' and yet I have not come across anyone who remembers seeing or going to games with him from years gone by.

    Varney, Simmons, Bobe and White were very known/seen as supporters before they officially got involved with the club.
    I’ve thought the same since he was first announced.
    I expect he was more likely a West Stand home fan, that rarely went away (pure speculation based on the fact not one person have said they recognize him).
    I suspect there are lots of people on here who wouldn't be recognised either. If I suddenly became wealthy and bought a stake in the club I think there's a handful of people who would be able to vouch for me. We have a big stadium and take a decent amount away usually, it's easy to stay anonymous 
    Exactly.
    If you go to lots of away games you’ll be known and if you sit in The Covered End every game as well.

    If you rarely go away and sit in the wastelands of The West, you could quite easily not be recognised.
    That's my strategy!

  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    I'd like to think this appointment could prove to be profitable in the next twelve months.
    Interested to know your thoughts as to why? I'm hoping the same to be fair.

    Purely on the basis that, as I understand it, he's the contact for the Americans, and he's a 'middle man'.
    Possibly that they are fidgety with Charlie and mates, and Carter may get on with the owners.
    In his interview with CAST earlier in the year it’s confirmed he’s friends with Spencer Friedman, Joshua’s son, and that’s how he got involved.

    https://www.castrust.org/2024/02/gavin-carter-its-a-long-term-project/
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,521
    I was just going to dig that back out, @Scoham, so thanks for posting it.

    I’ve had a reasonable amount of interaction with Gavin Carter via CAST in terms of setting up the fan engagement plan and advisory board. He is genuinely a fan while always being conscious of his role now within the ownership group. We’ll have to see how it all works out. He’s a realist and has a track record in business success. Certainly plenty of challenges.  
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    @Weegie Addick could cast seek a meeting with Gavin to discuss fans concerns about the style of play and poor decisions made by the SMT?
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    bolloxbolder said:
    @Weegie Addick could cast seek a meeting with Gavin to discuss fans concerns about the style of play and poor decisions made by the SMT?
    It was GC who was gushing positive energy all over the 8+8+8 power point presentation that looked like it had been created by an 11 year old 


  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    eaststandmike said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    @Weegie Addick could cast seek a meeting with Gavin to discuss fans concerns about the style of play and poor decisions made by the SMT?
    It was GC who was gushing positive energy all over the 8+8+8 power point presentation that looked like it had been created by an 11 year old 


    The 888 plan gets mentioned a lot but isn’t it mainly a plan around how the budget is spent. I can’t imagine well run clubs don’t have something in place. We’ve spent our budget badly, but if our signings were doing well the academy players would be less of an issue, they wouldn’t be getting as much game time and would be playing in a stronger team.

    You could spread the money equally around 20-25 players (that doesn’t feel right to me), or have bigger earners which then have to be balanced out by cheaper players (academy graduates in our case, and 8 is probably too ambitious).
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,048
    The big mistake with the 888 thing was releasing it to the fans. As @scoham says, having a plan is sensible and I would imagine that in reality it's much more flexible than we've been told. It's just turned into another stick to hit the SMT with because it seems ridiculous and it's very easy to see that we don't have 8 elite players
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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    Even if it wasn't made public, it was still a complete waste of time. 

    It's not exactly a 'plan' to decide we need at least 8 very good players at the club. Makes you question everything if that's ever been a talking point among management. 

    It's just not something you discuss or have to explain at a professional level. It's like planning to go on a road trip and explaining to your passengers that you are gonna need a car and petrol to make it happen.

    I'd be willing to wager there's a lot of that behind closed doors. The act of appearing busy. 

    I genuinely find it funny that anyone who was part of that discussion, and made that powerpoint may have been paid to do so. Proper amateur stuff. The type of shenanigans that have been going on for years of the Valley. 

    A little less conversation a little more action.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,048
    edited December 2024
    Braziliance said:
    Even if it wasn't made public, it was still a complete waste of time. 

    It's not exactly a 'plan' to decide we need at least 8 very good players at the club. Makes you question everything if that's ever been a talking point among management. 

    It's just not something you discuss or have to explain at a professional level. It's like planning to go on a road trip and explaining to your passengers that you are gonna need a car and petrol to make it happen.

    I'd be willing to wager there's a lot of that behind closed doors. The act of appearing busy. 

    I genuinely find it funny that anyone who was part of that discussion, and made that powerpoint may have been paid to do so. Proper amateur stuff. The type of shenanigans that have been going on for years of the Valley. 

    A little less conversation a little more action.
    It's a budgeting tool and they're important in running any business. It's not to tell you to sign 8 players, it's to say we have X amount of budget and if we spend X amount on 8 elite players, Y amount on 8 L1 players and Z amount on 8 academy/academy graduates we won't go over budget and it should be a strong enough squad.

    It obviously relies on good recruitment, where we have been poor, and good coaching, which hasn't been good enough
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,571
    Covered End said:
    fenaddick said:
    Covered End said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    Genuine question but did anyone within the supporter base know Gavin Carter or seen him at a game before he appeared on Twitter defending Sandgaard junior?

    Just curious to know how someone who the club puts out as 'lifelong supporter' and yet I have not come across anyone who remembers seeing or going to games with him from years gone by.

    Varney, Simmons, Bobe and White were very known/seen as supporters before they officially got involved with the club.
    I’ve thought the same since he was first announced.
    I expect he was more likely a West Stand home fan, that rarely went away (pure speculation based on the fact not one person have said they recognize him).
    I suspect there are lots of people on here who wouldn't be recognised either. If I suddenly became wealthy and bought a stake in the club I think there's a handful of people who would be able to vouch for me. We have a big stadium and take a decent amount away usually, it's easy to stay anonymous 
    Exactly.
    If you go to lots of away games you’ll be known and if you sit in The Covered End every game as well.

    If you rarely go away and sit in the wastelands of The West, you could quite easily not be recognised.
    Oi! Is that a Frank Skinner based dig?  :D
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    I recently shared a cab with GC and can honestly say he is feeling the pain in how we are performing.

  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,480
    edited December 2024
    DOH!
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,048
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Quite by chance I found myself sitting next to him at Lincoln, not having a clue who he was.
    Strangely enough he has close ties with Lincoln and spent sometime living there where his father is (or was) a major high ranking clergyman attached in some way to the cathedral.
    We were too intent on watching the game of course but I can only say he came across as a thoroughly decent fella in the short time I spoke to him.
    In fact, I didn’t know he was our new chairman until a few days later I saw some pictures of him on here, he simply introduced himself as Ed. 😂😂😂
    Are you sure you weren't sat with finance director Ed Wawrick? He has links to the area as he grew up a Peterborough fan and I'm sure his dad was something to do with the clergy
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
    fenaddick said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Quite by chance I found myself sitting next to him at Lincoln, not having a clue who he was.
    Strangely enough he has close ties with Lincoln and spent sometime living there where his father is (or was) a major high ranking clergyman attached in some way to the cathedral.
    We were too intent on watching the game of course but I can only say he came across as a thoroughly decent fella in the short time I spoke to him.
    In fact, I didn’t know he was our new chairman until a few days later I saw some pictures of him on here, he simply introduced himself as Ed. 😂😂😂
    Are you sure you weren't sat with finance director Ed Wawrick? He has links to the area as he grew up a Peterborough fan and I'm sure his dad was something to do with the clergy
    He was last weeks chairman. 

    Ed last week, Gav this week, Charlie Red Trousers gets the Xmas week to go full red outfit, Headphones Norm gets the first week in Jan. 
  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    Let's give Gavin a chance, he's been in the new role a couple of weeks, yet some are not giving him an opportunity to show what he might be able to do. Let's not shoot him before he gets going! Please! 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    I know nothing about Gavin but although I share the hope his "promotion" means the Powers That Be are taking a more direct handle I think it's important to be realistic about the time and extent we'll see any big impact.

    The SMT have their snouts firmly in the trough and won't give that up easily, it doesn't sound like GC has the (direct) power to just get rid of them on a whim either.

    Hopefully it is still a good sign but even if so we won't know for sure straight away.
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  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,480
    edited December 2024
    fenaddick said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Quite by chance I found myself sitting next to him at Lincoln, not having a clue who he was.
    Strangely enough he has close ties with Lincoln and spent sometime living there where his father is (or was) a major high ranking clergyman attached in some way to the cathedral.
    We were too intent on watching the game of course but I can only say he came across as a thoroughly decent fella in the short time I spoke to him.
    In fact, I didn’t know he was our new chairman until a few days later I saw some pictures of him on here, he simply introduced himself as Ed. 😂😂😂
    Are you sure you weren't sat with finance director Ed Wawrick? He has links to the area as he grew up a Peterborough fan and I'm sure his dad was something to do with the clergy
    Ha ha ha…….yes of course…..doh.
    You know I am getting very worried about some of the  mistakes I am making lately.
    I’ll be 77 in a few weeks time and without question I am fast becoming “not’ the sharpest knife in the draw.😒
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    Even if it wasn't made public, it was still a complete waste of time. 

    It's not exactly a 'plan' to decide we need at least 8 very good players at the club. Makes you question everything if that's ever been a talking point among management. 

    It's just not something you discuss or have to explain at a professional level. It's like planning to go on a road trip and explaining to your passengers that you are gonna need a car and petrol to make it happen.

    I'd be willing to wager there's a lot of that behind closed doors. The act of appearing busy. 

    I genuinely find it funny that anyone who was part of that discussion, and made that powerpoint may have been paid to do so. Proper amateur stuff. The type of shenanigans that have been going on for years of the Valley. 

    A little less conversation a little more action.
    It's a budgeting tool and they're important in running any business. It's not to tell you to sign 8 players, it's to say we have X amount of budget and if we spend X amount on 8 elite players, Y amount on 8 L1 players and Z amount on 8 academy/academy graduates we won't go over budget and it should be a strong enough squad.

    It obviously relies on good recruitment, where we have been poor, and good coaching, which hasn't been good enough
    I can't believe you've given your log in details to Charlie Methven mate 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I think Ed Warrick is a Peterborough United fan, and is something or other to do with finances at Charlton. 
    I read somewhere that he is a church warden for what I presume is his local village CofE church, so that might tie in with him having ecclesiastical connections. Lincoln is not far from Peterborough and both have impressive cathedrals so there is likely to be a world out there where churches, parishes, Bishops, Vicars, collections, finances, Church commissioners, accountants and sundry other people have connections and know each other.
    Ed’s beloved Peterborough United beat Crawley at home on Saturday, something of course our beloved Charlton Athletic failed to do.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,048
    SoundAsa£ said:
    fenaddick said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Quite by chance I found myself sitting next to him at Lincoln, not having a clue who he was.
    Strangely enough he has close ties with Lincoln and spent sometime living there where his father is (or was) a major high ranking clergyman attached in some way to the cathedral.
    We were too intent on watching the game of course but I can only say he came across as a thoroughly decent fella in the short time I spoke to him.
    In fact, I didn’t know he was our new chairman until a few days later I saw some pictures of him on here, he simply introduced himself as Ed. 😂😂😂
    Are you sure you weren't sat with finance director Ed Wawrick? He has links to the area as he grew up a Peterborough fan and I'm sure his dad was something to do with the clergy
    Ha ha ha…….yes of course…..doh.
    You know I am getting very worried about some of the  mistakes I am making lately.
    I’ll be 77 in a few weeks time and without question I am fast becoming “not’ the sharpest knife in the draw.😒
    An easy mistake to make, only rang a bell for me as I live near Peterborough. Not sure I would remember much of a conversation that happened during a rubbish football match a few weeks ago!
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    edited December 2024
    The problem us fans have is that we play poorly so often, many of us no longer go into games expecting anything else. That has to change as it is the perfect recipe to lose fans. If you know with some certainty that it is going to be frustrating and shit, why go?
  • Grapevine49
    Grapevine49 Posts: 997
    I do not know Mr Carter. I am not sure of his specific duties in his new role of Non Executive Chairman. Few such roles are ever the same. In all honestly a Non Executive Chairman, A Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director sounds like a lot of oversight and voices. This is not the Post Office.

    It doesn’t mean it won’t work - doesn’t mean it will.

    It does however speak to instability of thought, action & deed. In the 19 of the 24 months this investor group, board and SMT have been in the building  (the Dec 2022 / January 2023 dalliance was bizarre) it is the 5th key appointment change.

    The 8+8+8 declaration was foolish. I hate labels. Fiscal theory is just about where it should end ….but it hasn’t has it? As an operational discipline it is borderline destructive yet the bodies of the 3rd “eight” are in the building and proudly declared on the OS. Even the EFL doesn’t require players born post 01/01/2003 to be included in squad restrictions.

    We even have the occasional executive aside of  “footballing decisions”, “ too many players” and “exposure to senior football” just to flavour the debate.

    If Sandgaard deconstructed the business, after no external investment under the 9 months of ESI permutations and years of Staprix “skeletal funding” I don’t doubt this, after escaping the clutches of the judiciary, is a business resurrection of biblical proportions. I respect anyone’s attempt to contribute to the club.

    Can such circumstances demand a greater clarity of alignment, expectation and communication of purpose to investors, the executive, management, staff and supporters? They can. If Mr Carter can meet such demand it will be a service to us all.


  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    edited December 2024
    I suppose the question is, do the current ownership have the ambition to restore the infrastructure of the club ? They say they’re in it for the long haul so perhaps given exactly what they’ve inherited we should cut them a bit of slack and give them time. The sharp end of the business is disappointing though and although there’s lots to do back of house there’s at least as much to do front.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    Covered End said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    Genuine question but did anyone within the supporter base know Gavin Carter or seen him at a game before he appeared on Twitter defending Sandgaard junior?

    Just curious to know how someone who the club puts out as 'lifelong supporter' and yet I have not come across anyone who remembers seeing or going to games with him from years gone by.

    Varney, Simmons, Bobe and White were very known/seen as supporters before they officially got involved with the club.
    I’ve thought the same since he was first announced.
    I expect he was more likely a West Stand home fan, that rarely went away (pure speculation based on the fact not one person have said they recognize him).
    I was right then. :)
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,225
    Airman Brown said:
    I would suggest it was the Spivs who smashed the club infrastructure up, if you look at the long list of long-serving employees who left during and as a result of their tenure. No doubt Katrien and Ssndgaard contributed further damage and failed to put it right, but it’s been a basket case of an organisation for over a decade.
    Wouldn't disagree at all

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