And one of those supposedly riding that train is a minority owner in himself. (Whether that's token shares or actual money is another matter)
The point is there's not much gravy to be had out of being part of the SMT at Charlton, it's a different world from when Southall was milking us dry for Range Rovers and apartments, but I think the recent history of that has clouded the judgement of many on here
We finally have good owners and a structure at the club for the first time in 10/12 years … it’s time to back them and get the club back on stable ground before we can seriously move forward … 12/15 years of poor management and assist stripping is not going to be solved in 12 months … stability is the key both in ownership and manager there a project in place lets give it the time it needs to get this club back in the championship and more important stay there ..
So a dog's breakfast of private equity and hedge fund owners will provide stable management? Well I suppose there is a first time for everything.
We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.
“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
Still think kayne ramsay is one of the best player in the squad... as good as small has been at rwb I thought ramsay was one of a few players who looked a class above
We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.
“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replaced
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.
The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
And the bulk of that £1.2M (though hopefully not quite all of it) went on signing and paying Ahadme.
It was clearly stated at start of season that the minimum aim was play offs so I don’t think “top ten” is much of an improvement.
Fans showed a lot of commitment in buying STs this season. Going to be a lot needed to convince most to renew. A good window and positive second half of season will be vital to that - especially if we’re facing yet another (sixth in a row?) season in L1.
We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.
“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replaced
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.
The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Add to that the fact that Coventry was also brought in with the knowledge Dobson was going. They are not the same player but it was a move to change the style of 6 we use
And the bulk of that £1.2M (though hopefully not quite all of it) went on signing and paying Ahadme.
It was clearly stated at start of season that the minimum aim was play offs so I don’t think “top ten” is much of an improvement.
Fans showed a lot of commitment in buying STs this season. Going to be a lot needed to convince most to renew. A good window and positive second half of season will be vital to that - especially if we’re facing yet another (sixth in a row?) season in L1.
Pretty sure it's been put on a thread recently that we didn't pay the bulk of the Ahadme fee up front it was around £325k or so with the rest in add-ons and a promotion bonus? though stand to be corrected.
We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.
“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replaced
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.
The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
They shouldn't You shouldn't Nobody at the club should accept top 10 in Division 3.
We are only "improving" because of the terrible job they did for 2/3rds of last season!
Not making a decent run at promotion and securing a play off spot whilst losing £8m+ on day to day trading activities, leading to us having to sell our best and most promising players at the end of the season will be a failure.
We've been in this shit division for too long. Way too many fans have become accepting of that.
I live in hope but I still don't think we ever get promoted whilst CM, AS and JR are in charge.
And the bulk of that £1.2M (though hopefully not quite all of it) went on signing and paying Ahadme.
It was clearly stated at start of season that the minimum aim was play offs so I don’t think “top ten” is much of an improvement.
Fans showed a lot of commitment in buying STs this season. Going to be a lot needed to convince most to renew. A good window and positive second half of season will be vital to that - especially if we’re facing yet another (sixth in a row?) season in L1.
Pretty sure it's been put on a thread recently that we didn't pay the bulk of the Ahadme fee up front it was around £325k or so with the rest in add-ons and a promotion bonus? though stand to be corrected.
Yeah it was but not sure the maths adds up there. Otherwise there should be a lot of the May money still sat in the bank.
And the bulk of that £1.2M (though hopefully not quite all of it) went on signing and paying Ahadme.
It was clearly stated at start of season that the minimum aim was play offs so I don’t think “top ten” is much of an improvement.
Fans showed a lot of commitment in buying STs this season. Going to be a lot needed to convince most to renew. A good window and positive second half of season will be vital to that - especially if we’re facing yet another (sixth in a row?) season in L1.
Pretty sure it's been put on a thread recently that we didn't pay the bulk of the Ahadme fee up front it was around £325k or so with the rest in add-ons and a promotion bonus? though stand to be corrected.
Yeah it was but not sure the maths adds up there. Otherwise there should be a lot of the May money still sat in the bank.
To sign a couple of players this window perhaps? Or pay the wages…
And the bulk of that £1.2M (though hopefully not quite all of it) went on signing and paying Ahadme.
It was clearly stated at start of season that the minimum aim was play offs so I don’t think “top ten” is much of an improvement.
Fans showed a lot of commitment in buying STs this season. Going to be a lot needed to convince most to renew. A good window and positive second half of season will be vital to that - especially if we’re facing yet another (sixth in a row?) season in L1.
Pretty sure it's been put on a thread recently that we didn't pay the bulk of the Ahadme fee up front it was around £325k or so with the rest in add-ons and a promotion bonus? though stand to be corrected.
Yeah it was but not sure the maths adds up there. Otherwise there should be a lot of the May money still sat in the bank.
I'd like to know what happened to the money we supposedly offered for Collins and Clarke-Harris?
And one of those supposedly riding that train is a minority owner in himself. (Whether that's token shares or actual money is another matter)
The point is there's not much gravy to be had out of being part of the SMT at Charlton, it's a different world from when Southall was milking us dry for Range Rovers and apartments, but I think the recent history of that has clouded the judgement of many on here
We finally have good owners and a structure at the club for the first time in 10/12 years … it’s time to back them and get the club back on stable ground before we can seriously move forward … 12/15 years of poor management and assist stripping is not going to be solved in 12 months … stability is the key both in ownership and manager there a project in place lets give it the time it needs to get this club back in the championship and more important stay there ..
So a dog's breakfast of private equity and hedge fund owners will provide stable management? Well I suppose there is a first time for everything.
So you don't think Liverpool under John W Henry at Liverpool for over a decade has given the Scousers stable management ? The Hedge fund made his fortune of $6 billion according to Forbes estimate of Oct 24 and an equity firm have also made an investment with Fenway the sporting portfolio of John W Henry.
With the wages that Salah, TAA, and Van Dijk would require to stay then either Fenway or middle East takeover will be needed to pump in the cash.
And the bulk of that £1.2M (though hopefully not quite all of it) went on signing and paying Ahadme.
It was clearly stated at start of season that the minimum aim was play offs so I don’t think “top ten” is much of an improvement.
Fans showed a lot of commitment in buying STs this season. Going to be a lot needed to convince most to renew. A good window and positive second half of season will be vital to that - especially if we’re facing yet another (sixth in a row?) season in L1.
Pretty sure it's been put on a thread recently that we didn't pay the bulk of the Ahadme fee up front it was around £325k or so with the rest in add-ons and a promotion bonus? though stand to be corrected.
Yeah it was but not sure the maths adds up there. Otherwise there should be a lot of the May money still sat in the bank.
To sign a couple of players this window perhaps? Or pay the wages…
Possibly, but NJ wanted rid of May so he could use the money to rebuild. I think he'd have got the bulk of that done in the summer rather than leave most of the cash in the bank.
IMO, all evidence points to us spending a very decent amount on Ahadme.
We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.
“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replaced
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.
The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
For anyone who was thinking we were going to compete for Joe Taylor... Huddersfield are paying over £3m (obviously includes add ons etc).
Allegedly, our owners have more money than Huddersfields owners as far as Google shows, unless I'm missing something.
Do parachute payments count in league1? I.e., can you drastically outspend other league1 sides because you have a bit of a safety net from relegation?
Cause if that isnt the case, there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to spend that kind of fee on a player, if our owners have the money alleged. A couple of million for people who 'love a club' and want to see success is chump change when you have that kind of wealth.
Surely Coventry was the Dobson replacement? That's why Andy Scott was happy for Dobbo to not sign a new contract, because he'd already brought in his own player in the same position
We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.
“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replaced
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.
The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? Definitely
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
Expect this to be a mega unpopular opinion but I don’t want to be spending £3m on one player in L1 and especially not in January. It isn’t sustainable and what happens if they only make playoffs and then don’t go up? Do they spend another £3m in the next window? It just makes me think of Will Grigg
We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.
“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replaced
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.
The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
They shouldn't You shouldn't Nobody at the club should accept top 10 in Division 3.
We are only "improving" because of the terrible job they did for 2/3rds of last season!
Not making a decent run at promotion and securing a play off spot whilst losing £8m+ on day to day trading activities, leading to us having to sell our best and most promising players at the end of the season will be a failure.
We've been in this shit division for too long. Way too many fans have become accepting of that.
I live in hope but I still don't think we ever get promoted whilst CM, AS and JR are in charge.
I agree with everything except selling youngsters as a failure. We at a L1 club with a very good academy. If we keep producing premiership players and England internationals (3 current or very recent from our academy) we will be a selling club. Thats fact rather than failure unfortunately
For anyone who was thinking we were going to compete for Joe Taylor... Huddersfield are paying over £3m (obviously includes add ons etc).
Allegedly, our owners have more money than Huddersfields owners as far as Google shows, unless I'm missing something.
Do parachute payments count in league1? I.e., can you drastically outspend other league1 sides because you have a bit of a safety net from relegation?
Cause if that isnt the case, there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to spend that kind of fee on a player, if our owners have the money alleged. A couple of million for people who 'love a club' and want to see success is chump change when you have that kind of wealth.
Wealth isn’t the only factor though. How about debt, we are losing £8m a year, are Huddersfield? I have no clue what Huddersfield’s financial situation is but if they are losing £2m a year compared to our £8m, of course they have a bit more flexibility on the transfer market, regardless of owner wealth
Expect this to be a mega unpopular opinion but I don’t want to be spending £3m on one player in L1 and especially not in January. It isn’t sustainable and what happens if they only make playoffs and then don’t go up? Do they spend another £3m in the next window? It just makes me think of Will Grigg
They received a big fee for Rudoni in the summer so it’s actually not that bad. On net transfer spend they are probably not making much a loss
For anyone who was thinking we were going to compete for Joe Taylor... Huddersfield are paying over £3m (obviously includes add ons etc).
Allegedly, our owners have more money than Huddersfields owners as far as Google shows, unless I'm missing something.
Do parachute payments count in league1? I.e., can you drastically outspend other league1 sides because you have a bit of a safety net from relegation?
Cause if that isnt the case, there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to spend that kind of fee on a player, if our owners have the money alleged. A couple of million for people who 'love a club' and want to see success is chump change when you have that kind of wealth.
Wealth isn’t the only factor though. How about debt, we are losing £8m a year, are Huddersfield? I have no clue what Huddersfield’s financial situation is but if they are losing £2m a year compared to our £8m, of course they have a bit more flexibility on the transfer market, regardless of owner wealth
Googled it, and I can't imagine it being any better than it seemed to be in 2022/23.
Tbf they did receive £5m for Rudoni in Summer and used it to get Ladapo on a free so can hardly blame them spending that sort of money on a replacement
We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.
“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replaced
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.
The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? Definitely
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
Expect this to be a mega unpopular opinion but I don’t want to be spending £3m on one player in L1 and especially not in January. It isn’t sustainable and what happens if they only make playoffs and then don’t go up? Do they spend another £3m in the next window? It just makes me think of Will Grigg
They received a big fee for Rudoni in the summer so it’s actually not that bad. On net transfer spend they are probably not making much a loss
But after a couple of years in the PL and then 5 years in the Championship they will surely now have a significant reduction in revenue at this level.
Expect this to be a mega unpopular opinion but I don’t want to be spending £3m on one player in L1 and especially not in January. It isn’t sustainable and what happens if they only make playoffs and then don’t go up? Do they spend another £3m in the next window? It just makes me think of Will Grigg
I used to agree with this. But we lose £9.5M+ each year (source CM), so we are not sustainable anyway.
We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.
“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replaced
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.
The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? Definitely
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
I wonder if it's not necessarily that the owners don't have the ability or resources to spend if they really wanted to as much as they have been mislead as to the necessity.
Charlie had a lot to say about cutting costs and losses etc when he first came in, for him to then go cap in hand asking for more money to be spent might give him some awkward questions to answer.
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“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
You shouldn't
Nobody at the club should accept top 10 in Division 3.
We are only "improving" because of the terrible job they did for 2/3rds of last season!
Not making a decent run at promotion and securing a play off spot whilst losing £8m+ on day to day trading activities, leading to us having to sell our best and most promising players at the end of the season will be a failure.
We've been in this shit division for too long. Way too many fans have become accepting of that.
I live in hope but I still don't think we ever get promoted whilst CM, AS and JR are in charge.
So you don't think Liverpool under John W Henry at Liverpool for over a decade has given the Scousers stable management ?
The Hedge fund made his fortune of $6 billion according to Forbes estimate of Oct 24 and an equity firm have also made an investment with Fenway the sporting portfolio of John W Henry.
With the wages that Salah, TAA, and Van Dijk would require to stay then either Fenway or middle East takeover will be needed to pump in the cash.
IMO, all evidence points to us spending a very decent amount on Ahadme.
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
Do parachute payments count in league1? I.e., can you drastically outspend other league1 sides because you have a bit of a safety net from relegation?
Cause if that isnt the case, there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to spend that kind of fee on a player, if our owners have the money alleged. A couple of million for people who 'love a club' and want to see success is chump change when you have that kind of wealth.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
I used to agree with this. But we lose £9.5M+ each year (source CM), so we are not sustainable anyway.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
Charlie had a lot to say about cutting costs and losses etc when he first came in, for him to then go cap in hand asking for more money to be spent might give him some awkward questions to answer.