If we go up it’ll be because we have a decent number of players who can play at Championship level. Players like Coventry, Edwards, Leaburn and TC also have the potential to get there, alongside the more obvious players in Jones, Ramsay and Small.
Grapevine mentioned the fee for REG - I’ve heard from an Orient fan £15k is the only up front fee they’ve paid recently, so I doubt we got enough to pay for Gilbert’s loan. I was also told they only signed him due to Beckles being injured very recently and them having no more loan slots to use.
Given it’s clear Jones didn’t rate him and Orient need cover, I don’t think this points toward us getting a decent fee, more that we had an opportunity to move on a player Jones doesn’t rate.
At least part of the issue if indeed it is an issue with this window was that Jones wasn’t pressing the owners for reinforcements. He wanted the squad reduced in size and got rid of players he knew he wasn’t going to use but on the whole was content with what he had left. I think Gilbert being the exception, in a role that even the doziest of fans could see we’re were in need of. I’m sadly confident that we’ll lose Small in the summer and he’ll definitely be hard to replace. Just like every summer we’ll need to rebuild in order to go for it next season but how many times have we all said that.
I agree with your post but I'm not sure I'd call the summer another 'rebuild'. The only players out of contract in the summer are:
Tennai Watson Chuks Aneke Thierry Small Aaron Henry
It would be nice to be more like a normal club and not need 10+ signings every summer.
Summer will imho still require a fairly significant recruitment. I’d suggest a replacement for Small if he goes which I expect. Competition for Gilesphey, replace Aneke, replace Watson and get in a GK. That’s without anyone being sold. I’d like to think a striker would come in. I’d say that quite a rebuild.
Well ideally McIntyre does well enough to convert into a permanent so you're only talking 3 (I think 4 as Leaburn could go) signings, that's pretty quiet for most L1 clubs. If we go up I wouldn't be surprised to see Leaburn and Small stay so then that would be 2 plus a couple of places where we might need an upgrade
If we go up we will need to upgrade a lot more than just a couple. 5 or 6 minimum.
Possibly but those upgrades are upgrades we need anyway, LCB, GK and ST. I think Doc and Coventry are solid enough as a midfield base to build on, Small, Edwards & Ramsay are probably good enough to play in the Championship and Jones definitely is. I think we'd actually be replacing the same players regardless of what league we're in, we'd just have different targets
Ramsay and Small are championship level footballers . Jury out on the rest .
Lloyd Jones? Conor Coventry? Josh Edwards? Wasn't Doc already playing regularly at that level? TC has interest from the level we want to get to and I'm pretty confident Miles can step up. We'd certainly need a number of incomings should we go up but id like to think we're starting a better position than 2 players who can step up. We had Bradley Pritchard tearing it up in the champ when we went up under Powell
I’d be alright with this team starting in the Championship:
NEW
Ramsay - Jones - NEW - Edwards
Coventry - Docherty
Small - NEW - TC
Leaburn
Ideally we add quality to it so we have more options but as a starting XI I think that gives us a decent chance of not being a bottom three side.
I think you are being slightly generous there. If 8 of our current players were championship material we would be a lot closer to Birmingham, Wrexham and Wycombe than we currently are.
I’d be alright with this team starting in the Championship:
NEW
Ramsay - Jones - NEW - Edwards
Coventry - Docherty
Small - NEW - TC
Leaburn
Ideally we add quality to it so we have more options but as a starting XI I think that gives us a decent chance of not being a bottom three side.
I think you are being slightly generous there. If 8 of our current players were championship material we would be a lot closer to Birmingham, Wrexham and Wycombe than we currently are.
We also wasted a few months playing route one and hadn’t found our strongest side, which includes Small on the right.
We’d have said the same about Bowyer’s side. Players like Bielik, Aribo, Phillips and Dijksteel were rated much higher by the time we won at Wembley compared to earlier in the season. TC and Small are heading in that direction, and Leaburn has the ability to get there.
Not saying the same will happen, but we’ve built a decent core of player. Just a shame we didn’t add to it as much as we hoped. The ownership and perhaps Jones are putting a lot of faith in players staying fit and academy players stepping up.
I’d remind people about Portsmouth last season. They didn’t exactly tear up the division but they were consistently the best team in the league over the season. Back in The Championship they look like relegation candidates although one place above the drop zone at present. Just my opinion but I think the step up from league one to Championship is greater now than it was perhaps just five seasons ago. Id like to think that Charltons current squad with a few additions might make the step up but I just don’t. Wasn’t it just a short time ago that we were truly awful and although that’s seemed to have been addressed we’re not even a side that you’d bank on getting top six. To think we’re nearly a Championship squad with a couple of players coming in is to me cloud cuckoo land.
I’d be alright with this team starting in the Championship:
NEW
Ramsay - Jones - NEW - Edwards
Coventry - Docherty
Small - NEW - TC
Leaburn
Ideally we add quality to it so we have more options but as a starting XI I think that gives us a decent chance of not being a bottom three side.
I think you are being slightly generous there. If 8 of our current players were championship material we would be a lot closer to Birmingham, Wrexham and Wycombe than we currently are.
We also wasted a few months playing route one and hadn’t found our strongest side, which includes Small on the right.
We’d have said the same about Bowyer’s side. Players like Bielik, Aribo, Phillips and Dijksteel were rated much higher by the time we won at Wembley compared to earlier in the season. TC and Small are heading in that direction, and Leaburn has the ability to get there.
Not saying the same will happen, but we’ve built a decent core of player. Just a shame we didn’t add to it as much as we hoped. The ownership and perhaps Jones are putting a lot of faith in players staying fit and academy players stepping up.
Agreed and it wasn't until Williams came back from injury i think that things started to really click so maybe Gilbert can be a similar catalyst. Having said that, i can't see docherty (yes, i know he played for Hull etc but i can only go by what i see) and Ahadme cutting it in the championship and being our main signings - captain and star striker - from the summer, will be on reasonable contracts so will take some shifting.
I’d love to know what winger we really missed out on, as the lad from Sunderland seemed a 3rd or 4th choice, after our top picks didn’t happen, probably the reason we couldn’t get it done in time. Can any of the ITKs shed any light? Were we punching too high again and those players got snapped up by Championship clubs?
I’d remind people about Portsmouth last season. They didn’t exactly tear up the division but they were consistently the best team in the league over the season. Back in The Championship they look like relegation candidates although one place above the drop zone at present. Just my opinion but I think the step up from league one to Championship is greater now than it was perhaps just five seasons ago. Id like to think that Charltons current squad with a few additions might make the step up but I just don’t. Wasn’t it just a short time ago that we were truly awful and although that’s seemed to have been addressed we’re not even a side that you’d bank on getting top six. To think we’re nearly a Championship squad with a couple of players coming in is to me cloud cuckoo land.
That’s one example.
Meanwhile, playoff winners Oxford were the weakest on paper and everyone’s favourites to go down. Most of their players there now were also there last season and they look the most likely to stay up.
Think the gap is widening every year between Championship and League 1. You'd probably need to be spending millions on promotion to remain competitive. I think Ramsay,Jones,Edwards,Coventry, Small and Leaburn would make the jump quite comfortably and the likes of Godden, Docherty and TC would be good squad players still at that level but you'd need major surgery on the rest of the squad to get it competitive.
I’d be alright with this team starting in the Championship:
NEW
Ramsay - Jones - NEW - Edwards
Coventry - Docherty
Small - NEW - TC
Leaburn
Ideally we add quality to it so we have more options but as a starting XI I think that gives us a decent chance of not being a bottom three side.
I think you are being slightly generous there. If 8 of our current players were championship material we would be a lot closer to Birmingham, Wrexham and Wycombe than we currently are.
I think these kinds of assessments are fun to do on here but in the end it's a bit Football Manager. Momentum, togetherness, familiarity and just a weird amount of lightning in a bottle can define promotions way more than just a list of players. Birmingham have put together a team to compete in the Championship next season a year early so they don't fall foul of financial regulations. They have internationals, a £20m player and wages to match it all so they aren't really a good example of anything this season. Wrexham throw their money around as well, but their momentum is also a huge factor. If you look at their top 11 appearance-makers I think only two of them were signed in the summer and one of those was our George. O'Connell and Lee are two others on the appearance list and they weren't on-paper promotion players for us by this stage in their respective seasons. Wycombe are similar, definitely before their January injection of signings. Kone was signed from a park team and Bakinson has played 26 times for them this season. Their keeper couldn't get a game at MK Dons and most predictions had them mid-table at best. There's hardly anyone in that team fans on here would have wanted off them before a ball was kicked. A bit of togetherness and momentum off a good start though and here they are. Players can surprise if the environment is right, whoever would have thought that Bradley Pritchard could be the top assist-maker in the Championship when he struggled to get into our L1 team? Consistency in the squad, the manager and time to settle though and he had a great season. Football is weird, there's no telling what could happen if we keep our momentum up.
A few players away from a championship squad? Do me a favour.
Plymouth are rock bottom and a player they wanted to shift starts for us every game. Hull are 2 points away from the relegation zone and let Docherty go to us.
We are miles away from being cable to compete in that league, we would need a load of new signings.
We have a few players who you could say might be able to play at the level above, not definitely.
I think Lloydy, Ramsay, Small & Edwards** have a decent chance of playing at the level above.
I wouldn't be too surprised to see Leaburn, TC and Coventry to hack it. Maybe Docherty and Mitchell.
As for the rest, no way. I think only the 4 I mentioned in the first category I'd be comfortable seeing start at the level above. The rest need to show more.
A few players away from a championship squad? Do me a favour.
Plymouth are rock bottom and a player they wanted to shift starts for us every game. Hull are 2 points away from the relegation zone and let Docherty go to us.
We are miles away from being cable to compete in that league, we would need a load of new signings.
We have a few players who you could say might be able to play at the level above, not definitely.
I think Lloydy, Ramsay and Small have a decent chance of playing at the level above.
I wouldn't be too surprised to see Leaburn, TC and Coventry to hack it. Maybe Docherty and Mitchell.
As for the rest, no way. I think only the 3 I mentioned in the first category I'd be comfortable seeing start at the level above. The rest need to show more.
A few players away from a championship squad? Do me a favour.
Plymouth are rock bottom and a player they wanted to shift starts for us every game. Hull are 2 points away from the relegation zone and let Docherty go to us.
We are miles away from being cable to compete in that league, we would need a load of new signings.
We have a few players who you could say might be able to play at the level above, not definitely.
I think Lloydy, Ramsay and Small have a decent chance of playing at the level above.
I wouldn't be too surprised to see Leaburn, TC and Coventry to hack it. Maybe Docherty and Mitchell.
As for the rest, no way. I think only the 3 I mentioned in the first category I'd be comfortable seeing start at the level above. The rest need to show more.
Anyway, not worth something worrying about yet.
So basically everyone I said apart from Edwards?
hahaha I suspect he may have missed Edwards !! well I hope so anyway lol
Why are we talking about our starting 11 in the championship? : )
Because we are all mad
Spot on. Our fans are either mad, delusional, have manic swings from one game to the next or Masochistic. Many are all 4 but personally I have only 3 of the above traits as I don't have manic swings about football since seeking treatment when we lost at Millwall 2-1 after being 1-0 up in the Solly red card match. That match on 'Bad Friday' made me feel lower than a Dachshund's testicles.
Co-codamol and Citalopram help as well as joining Oohaah's positive life coaching course.
A few players away from a championship squad? Do me a favour.
Plymouth are rock bottom and a player they wanted to shift starts for us every game. Hull are 2 points away from the relegation zone and let Docherty go to us.
We are miles away from being cable to compete in that league, we would need a load of new signings.
We have a few players who you could say might be able to play at the level above, not definitely.
I think Lloydy, Ramsay and Small have a decent chance of playing at the level above.
I wouldn't be too surprised to see Leaburn, TC and Coventry to hack it. Maybe Docherty and Mitchell.
As for the rest, no way. I think only the 3 I mentioned in the first category I'd be comfortable seeing start at the level above. The rest need to show more.
Anyway, not worth something worrying about yet.
So basically everyone I said apart from Edwards?
No. I think those players have the potential to do it, and only 4* I think might* cope currently.
It's a bit different to what you and someone else said or at least implied.
If we go up it’ll be because we have a decent number of players who can play at Championship level. Players like Coventry, Edwards, Leaburn and TC also have the potential to get there, alongside the more obvious players in Jones, Ramsay and Small.
Grapevine mentioned the fee for REG - I’ve heard from an Orient fan £15k is the only up front fee they’ve paid recently, so I doubt we got enough to pay for Gilbert’s loan. I was also told they only signed him due to Beckles being injured very recently and them having no more loan slots to use.
Given it’s clear Jones didn’t rate him and Orient need cover, I don’t think this points toward us getting a decent fee, more that we had an opportunity to move on a player Jones doesn’t rate.
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Given it’s clear Jones didn’t rate him and Orient need cover, I don’t think this points toward us getting a decent fee, more that we had an opportunity to move on a player Jones doesn’t rate.
If we did go up I’d say 5-6 (a goalkeeper, a centre back, two midfielders, two forwards).
Anything above and beyond that is likely for squad depth.
NEW
Ramsay - Jones - NEW - Edwards
Coventry - Docherty
Small - NEW - TC
Leaburn
Ideally we add quality to it so we have more options but as a starting XI I think that gives us a decent chance of not being a bottom three side.
If 8 of our current players were championship material we would be a lot closer to Birmingham, Wrexham and Wycombe than we currently are.
We’d have said the same about Bowyer’s side. Players like Bielik, Aribo, Phillips and Dijksteel were rated much higher by the time we won at Wembley compared to earlier in the season. TC and Small are heading in that direction, and Leaburn has the ability to get there.
Not saying the same will happen, but we’ve built a decent core of player. Just a shame we didn’t add to it as much as we hoped. The ownership and perhaps Jones are putting a lot of faith in players staying fit and academy players stepping up.
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Maybe one day a loaded female player will take me under her wing, be nice not to work ever again.
Plymouth are rock bottom and a player they wanted to shift starts for us every game. Hull are 2 points away from the relegation zone and let Docherty go to us.
We are miles away from being cable to compete in that league, we would need a load of new signings.
We have a few players who you could say might be able to play at the level above, not definitely.
I think Lloydy, Ramsay, Small & Edwards** have a decent chance of playing at the level above.
I wouldn't be too surprised to see Leaburn, TC and Coventry to hack it. Maybe Docherty and Mitchell.
As for the rest, no way. I think only the 4 I mentioned in the first category I'd be comfortable seeing start at the level above. The rest need to show more.
Anyway, not worth something worrying about yet.
Spot on.
Our fans are either mad, delusional, have manic swings from one game to the next or Masochistic.
Many are all 4 but personally I have only 3 of the above traits as I don't have manic swings about football since seeking treatment when we lost at Millwall 2-1 after being 1-0 up in the Solly red card match.
That match on 'Bad Friday' made me feel lower than a Dachshund's testicles.
Co-codamol and Citalopram help as well as joining Oohaah's positive life coaching course.
It's a bit different to what you and someone else said or at least implied.
That was very sweet of you
…what was in the text from Ron Noades son?