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POST-MATCH THREAD: Huddersfield Town v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 23rd November 2024: KO 15:00

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  • Jones said after:

    We lost the game due to certain deficiencies that were at the football club last season….and are still here now”.

    If we go back 12 months to the 25th of November, our squad of 18 contained just 3 players that were in our squad today: AMB, Leaburn and TC (a sub both times).

    So what does he mean by that? It clearly isn’t player specific if 83% of the squad is different and we now lay a completely different tactical style of football? 
    If that's the case, how come we were performing well at the start of the season then? In the first six matches we won 67% of our games. We might not have been free scoring, but we were highly energetic and very difficult to score against. Then all of a sudden it fell apart. We've conceded eight in our last six matches and the win percentage is down to just 17%. That doesn't look like the same deficiencies to me, that looks like something's happened.



  • I dont want to see another manager sacked, but if we keep losing and get dragged into a relegation fight I can't see him lasting another couple of months of poor form. 
  • msomerton said:
    JaShea99 said:
    If you asked me before the season started if we would even get a point away to Huddersfield i'd have said maybe but probably not. Even if we were in the top 2.
    Exactly. I never understand the meltdowns after results against teams you’d never expect us to beat or even take a point off anyway.
    It might be the fact we have only had two wins from the last 12 league games.
    Right. But this was only one game. So that means we’d had two wins in 11 games prior to this one. And people expected us to have three in 12 after Huddersfield away?
  • First half was really poor today, second half much better effort levels. But lack of quality throughout, Huddersfield played all the best passing, we just played long ball, it is turgid to watch. Jones talked about playing physically with leaders all over the pitch at the start of the season. We are light weight, constantly change line up and formation, 5 in defence today and did not pick up their defender twice and leaders? Doc? When Godden went off, he wasn’t sure who to pass the arm band too. I hope it gets better but struggling to see how that will happen. I wouldn’t sack him but Jones bought most of these players, so he his very culpable for the poor performances being served out each week. This is not about owners, it’s the manager, coaching and players 
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  • edited November 2024
    Lets just put it  into perspective Man City lost 5 in a row and there putting that down to missing one player..... I think with our injury crisis and the fact in this league you can easily put 3/4 wins together think we have to stay calm... There no one better then Jones at present and he only had one window to balance this squad.. Think he needs another two... stability is the key can't keep changing.…..the board backed Jones with all the players he wanted and will do again to much investment been made to throw it out the window so early in the season...


    I think it's what he's balanced it with so far that's the worry Ronnie. Signing players who did well for you in the past at a different club is always a risk, not saying it can't work but there is almost more pressure for them to succeed than an unknown. If you consider that two of those players is a 35 year old who played thirty times for Northampton last year and scored a big fat nothing and a player who came here after being out for almost a season with injury then the pressure grows ever stronger. A lot of people are thinking that with the loss of Lloyd Jones, then Dan Potts was a risk too far when we could have signed a left sided centre back who was fit when he entered the building, at least fit enough to dominate our box, which Mitchell and Gillesphrey clearly don't. Add Hylton and the failure of Allan Campbell plus the in and out form of Luke Berry then people are entitled to question Nathan Jones decisions. 
  • Think Pep would struggle to get a tune out of this lot.
  • th0rryy said:
    Once again, not much to be happy about from that performance and more of what we have seen so far - albeit with the added bonus of our captain-but-only-in-name getting stupidly sent off in the first half. It was a silly, silly tackle that was overly aggressive, but I honestly feel that this is just the style of player our manager wants and is a risk we'll run against some L1 referees. When you set up for anti-football 1-0 wins, you can't give teams advantages like this when your wins come through such fine margins. Docherty is not the player we thought he would be, but we've now ended up with a multitude of midfielders who's skillset is almost entirely based around being solely good off the ball and not on it. Any kind of scouting should have seen this was the case, but here we are.

    Sacking NJ creates more problems than it solves - however, I already feel he is hiding behind the injuries and trying to use excuses in press conferences that are starting to not wash with me. Even with those players back, I still think we are so far off it. Internally, I think NJ knows we aren't going to compete for playoffs and he's purely going for self-preservation. I don't think this current crop of players will get us close, nor even in distance of taking the gamble on more players in January. We still remain a team with a spine that is not good enough to push on, and I think they know it.

    This team is unlikely to go on any kind of run and are making the requirements of any run harder every week. I try to stay positive, but this season already feels close to a write-off, even if it isn't mathematically so. I'd happily eat my words if they do, but I don't see the fundamentals of how we play changing and several of players we put big wages behind in the summer are just not the answer.
    We are not good enough. 
  • agim said:
    Anything but a win on Tuesday now and it could be curtains for the season. 
    Haha you think it isn't already ?
    7 points off playoffs with a game in hand isn't unachievable but I don't think it will happen 
  • edited November 2024
    Jones said after:

    ”We lost the game due to certain deficiencies that were at the football club last season….and are still here now”.

    If we go back 12 months to the 25th of November, our squad of 18 contained just 3 players that were in our squad today: AMB, Leaburn and TC (a sub both times).

    So what does he mean by that? It clearly isn’t player specific if 83% of the squad is different and we now lay a completely different tactical style of football? 

    Well he wasn't here 12 months ago himself.

    He talks a load of old waffle so assume he means last season from when he joined and it's:

    AMB
    REG
    Gillesphey 
    Small
    TC
    Leaburn 

    But again, it's Jones, he's probably talking about our inability to defend over a period of time greater than 20 minutes. That dates back to, oh, I dunno, since dropping back into this dog turd league.
  • Was there today - putting it basically, we were crap - yet again - this is getting boring - my mates and I spend a lot of money travelling around the country watching Charlton - I don’t mind seeing us lose, as long as there is effort, application and desire, none of which was on show today by this shower of shit - even worse is the skill levels on show, simply shit - how many times do I have to watch a corner or free kick which either fails to go over the first defender, or sails over the entire defence and attack - appalling 

    I said to my mate after half time ‘if they go 2-1 up, we are leaving’ - and we did 

    Got to station, as per usual trains in the north utter dog dirt - quickly realised that getting a train from Huddersfield to York had zero chance - cab to York - got home 9.30

    Not sure I can do many more aways - quite simply not good enough at the moment  
    Cab to York a sensible approach. It was a farce back at Huddersfield station after the game. I was booked to go back via Manchester and ended up having to go via York. I'm awaiting my train at London Bridge now so home for 23:00. A long old day. 

    I would say I did see effort, application and desire, the second half especially. We just ain't cohesive. 

    Anyway, onto Burton. See the other 250 of you there.

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  • LouisMend said:
    So he thinks we were okay first half. Most on here thought we were awful. I don’t know who to believe as I wasn’t there and didn’t watch. And did the sending off change the game? If so it was only for the better according to practically everyone on here. Think he’s deluding himself.
  • KettsJohn said:
    Predictable but actually not as bad as I thought it would be. Have I missed some communication regarding Terry Taylor. If he is simply dropped then I am more concerned about Jones intentions than I already was.
    Taylor not Jones’s player, he only got picked recently due to injuries / internationals. Was always going to be dropped when other players returned.
    And that's what winds me up. Drop him not because he has been rubbish - far from it, in fact - but because Jones doesn't fancy him.

    Jones also didn't fancy May.

    I'm not sure he is a great judge of players.
    You only have to look at when Alfie was on a hat trick & Jones dragged him off, WTF was that all about ?
  • If it had been a simple - no trains for several hours - message at Huddersfield I would have got in a taxi to Leeds, got my bag from the hotel and caught my train.

    Instead by waiting for mythical trains, which then were cancelled, despite the taxi I just missed my train . A load of waiting and being passed around, so no chance of any indirect trains home. Instead I'm on a train to Derby, where a taxi will be laid on hopefully...
  • RoanRedNY said:
    JaShea99 said:
    If you asked me before the season started if we would even get a point away to Huddersfield i'd have said maybe but probably not. Even if we were in the top 2.
    Exactly. I never understand the meltdowns after results against teams you’d never expect us to beat or even take a point off anyway.
    My view is that fans should expect a Charlton athletic team to beat Div 3 teams and challenge for promotion. That’s the point. The fact that we don’t beat them or don’t expect to beat them is not the fans’ fault, it’s a barometer of how far we have fallen and a sign we are accepting that as a norm. We should expect and certainly deserve better than the shit served up over the last 4 years.  I’m good with people being disappointed/cheesed off, it means they care and want better, and it’s not just Huddersfield, is it? Last 10 games we are equal 2nd bottom of the form guide, that’s relegation form.
    Many people don't think we'll win next Saturday against a League 2 either.
  • If it had been a simple - no trains for several hours - message at Huddersfield I would have got in a taxi to Leeds, got my bag from the hotel and caught my train.

    Instead by waiting for mythical trains, which then were cancelled, despite the taxi I just missed my train . A load of waiting and being passed around, so no chance of any indirect trains home. Instead I'm on a train to Derby, where a taxi will be laid on hopefully...
    Bloody Hell that's shite mate. A train appeared going to Leeds and York after the first wave of Charlton fans had left the station to get taxis. I think a fair few made their train at Leeds too. 

    I feel I've dodged a bullet getting home only an hour later than scheduled. Safe travels.
  • Stig said:
    Jones said after:

    We lost the game due to certain deficiencies that were at the football club last season….and are still here now”.

    If we go back 12 months to the 25th of November, our squad of 18 contained just 3 players that were in our squad today: AMB, Leaburn and TC (a sub both times).

    So what does he mean by that? It clearly isn’t player specific if 83% of the squad is different and we now lay a completely different tactical style of football? 
    If that's the case, how come we were performing well at the start of the season then? In the first six matches we won 67% of our games. We might not have been free scoring, but we were highly energetic and very difficult to score against. Then all of a sudden it fell apart. We've conceded eight in our last six matches and the win percentage is down to just 17%. That doesn't look like the same deficiencies to me, that looks like something's happened.



    There is one very startling statistic staring you in the face. 
  • Croydon said:
    Any talk of sacking/removing Jones is premature until we are genuinely panicking about going down. 

    Give him the season, if we finish bottom half then say goodbye in the summer. 
    Has to be given another year at least for me, with a view to sacking him in November 2025 if there genuinely is no progression... Naturally agree with you that it would be ridiculous not to act if we get to March and we're genuinely panicking about going down.

    January Transfer Window 2025: Is a chance to plug leaks in squads

    Summer Transfer Window 2025: A proper chance to build on what we need, as better players should be available around then; January I always see as a time where teams get rid of players they truly dont want because they're shit, and signed by teams that are panicking.

    If we dont get rid of Jones until the end of this season, then its too late... we'll already be behind everyone else, as we'll be going into a Transfer Window not just looking for new players but a new manager too. We'll be back to where we were with Garner, no one wanting to join as they wont want to commit without knowing that their own future is secure.
    Definitely need to change our transfer strategy, as based on his signings so far we can't give him full control of the next two windows. 
    Problem is our technical director is about as useful as a chocolate fire guard, where do we turn next ? I know a bloke down my local who's a fan, his sight is failing but he described most of our players as shit so he's probably got more idea than scott & jones, is it worth him applying for a job ?
  • Can’t believe it has come to this, we are a mid- table Div 1 at best, wake up and smell the coffee 😡.
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