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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Wrexham: Saturday 26th October 2024: KO 15:00

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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Mannion is soooo ordinary we need a better keeper  to get promoted 
    Going under the radar a bit, but we missed a trick not signing a top keeper. He's ok, but he's not much better than AMB, Isted etc. Protected by a better defense (especially when Jones was playing)
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,169
    Braziliance said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Mannion is soooo ordinary we need a better keeper  to get promoted 
    Going under the radar a bit, but we missed a trick not signing a top keeper. He's ok, but he's not much better than AMB, Isted etc. Protected by a better defense (especially when Jones was playing)
    Think he’s a lot better than AMB, more commanding at crosses on the whole(although not at Barnsley) but we could still do with an upgrade in January. Maybe a loanee from the PL?
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,051
    I think the only way you get a PL loan keeper in Jan is someone that's looking outstanding in League 2 and the parent club wants to challenge them more. 

    Would be sending Allan Campbell back to Luton anyway to free up a loan slot to do something with.
  • Oh Eddie Youds...
    Oh Eddie Youds... Posts: 1,320
    edited October 2024
    charltonbob said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Blockhead said:
    Time for Nathan Jones to abandon his worn-out Luton Top Trumps deck and build a team of younger and hungrier players. How is Danny Hylton getting onto the pitch ahead of Thierry Small? Embarassing business.
    You want Thierry Small up front?
    Well he could hardly do worse !!!
    Small has played up front before in his career & Id like to see him given a chance on the left hand side of a front three (basically left wing).

    We need more players on the pitch that can actually beat a player & create something (than just TC)
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,330
    Nadou said:
    Dobson or Coventry? No contest. Does Coventry ever do anything except pass side or back? Dobson's sublime pass led to their goal.
    Coventry's pass put Leaburn away, and they fouled him. Was a borderline red card, and definitely a very good chance 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,735
    Braziliance said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Mannion is soooo ordinary we need a better keeper  to get promoted 
    Going under the radar a bit, but we missed a trick not signing a top keeper. He's ok, but he's not much better than AMB, Isted etc. Protected by a better defense (especially when Jones was playing)
    He started the season commanding his box well, but today his comms the CBs was non existent. Also been directly at fault for goals in our last two games 
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,549
    Personally thought TC was our best player. Final ball wasn’t that great but also put in some good crosses, one with his weaker foot that somehow Leaburn didn’t get to. One of (possibly only) our players who can create something out of nothing. Not the finished article at all, but if he was he wouldn’t be playing in league 1
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  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,811
    PWR. 

    Another very, very mediocre performance, little to no attacking intent or strategy, we have no quality going forward and Jones has no plan for trying to score goals which is extremely concerning especially this far into the season when it’s been painfully obvious we have zero threat. He changed it half time and made it worse, and when they went 2-1 up we did not lay a glove on them for the final 20 minutes or make any real threat until fortunately getting the pen. 

    3 draws in a row, not good enough unless you think a solid mid table finish is an achievement. I will never accept that for us in this tier, and quite honestly was embarrassed to be celebrating nicking a fortuitous last minute draw at home to Wrexham. 

    Also thought the atmosphere was flat for the turnout and a lot of annoying tourist fans, but was lovely to see the ground full in fairness. 

    Less than 1.5 points per game, I’m afraid Jones has to do better, and I very much hope he does.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,330
    The question is not 'Dobson or Coventry'. The question is 'why were we denied Dobson and Coventry'. Together they'd be fantastic with the right players around them. Sadly, Coventry, who's a really good midfielder at this level, has a bunch of absolute nonsense alongside him. We've made some genuinely terrible signings in the position over the summer and made one of them captain. We should never ever sign these older, washed plodders, they always let us down 
  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 991
    TC end product would be better if we had more than one or two players in the box. Berry supposedly our attacking midfielder but all his goals have been from 20+ yards.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,350
    Leuth said:
    Nadou said:
    Dobson or Coventry? No contest. Does Coventry ever do anything except pass side or back? Dobson's sublime pass led to their goal.
    Coventry's pass put Leaburn away, and they fouled him. Was a borderline red card, and definitely a very good chance 
    I'm pretty sure Leaburn rolled their defender and that's why he was away. 
  • red10
    red10 Posts: 835
    Clem_Snide said:
    Anyone else watching on the stream see Jones and Docherty at the end. Walking across the pitch together and Jones was going absolutely nuts, Docherty looked completely bemused and was totally ignoring him. 

    Said it a few times now, I would like to know what the players really think of him.
    NJ (Nut job) seems to be like a wild animal chained to the touchline. If an employer got in my face like that with that amount of anger HR would be arranging an interview pdq.

  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,907
    edited October 2024
    Braziliance said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    ValleyGary said:
    Thought Dobson looked good second half, picked up every second ball and turned them into attack multiple times. Mad what options in front of you can do to a midfielder.
    Felt his passing range was always underrated on here, his vision sometimes is sublime, he was the catalyst for their second goal. 
    Not by Curbs, though, he'd say it every 3-4 weeks, interspersed (this time last year) with a remark about a new contract. But what's he ever achieved in the game, compared with Andy Scott?
    Yeah it's such a blunder. I rate Coventry, and he had a decent game today, but Dobbo is just more all action and offers a bit more. Disaster we lost him. 

    Find it quite funny as well that people were saying about CBT, May and Dobson being part of our poor league finishes, and in turn them being part of the problem. Well, May is top of the league, Dobson sits third, and CBT is getting game time in the league above. 

    It's delusional to think we have upgraded on any of them imo, a really poor transfer window.
    Agreed. If we had kept them 3 and just added Ramsey and Mitchell, i think we'd be comfortably in the top 6 now, if not the top 2. Unless we sign a creative midfielder or 2 and another winger in the window, we are going absolutely nowhere this season. TC was our only attacking threat today and he struggled to get a game last year - show's how far our attacking options have regressed. I think its generally accepted in football that you get better by keeping hold of your best players and adding to them. 
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,268
    DaisyEdwards said:
    This team is a total embarrassment. 
    It is undoubtedly heading for relegation. You are either blind or deluded if you believe otherwise.
    The manager don't know shite about shite and  the downward spiral continues. 
    Let this be a lesson to anyone who thinks drinking is the answer !
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,307
    edited October 2024
    Same old problem seems to exist. We don’t have enough quality in defence or midfield to pass the ball forward to our attacking players. When we do get into the final 3rd are passing is usually very poor.

    Have we really improved in the prior 12 months? For me the answer is no.  Too many poor signings this summer again. Alan Campbell is starting to look a very bad signing IMO

    Thought Dobson was the best player on the pitch. 


  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,640
    edited October 2024
    Sage said:
    Only player today that looked like they could do anything was TC. We constantly looked for him and they surrounded him most of the game. The challenge at the end was as Jones said, a disgrace and there needs to be a law change that those ones are a red card.

    We didn’t deserve to lose but didn’t deserve to win. Overall, there is a lot in this team that is missing and today, leadership, movement, inventiveness, and quality are some of those missing parts.

    We really need the injured players to come back soon because we miss them. Ramsay is a long term one but the rest, we really need otherwise these results and performances will keep happening and we will lose the touching distance we currently have.

    My concern now is though, we keep conceding the first goal. 8 in our last 10 games we have conceded first, picking up just 4 points when we do concede first. Shows how important that goal is but also how we don’t have the quality to be scoring many against any opposition. We’ve scored more than 1 goal in a game just 4 times this season, picking up 5 points from them. 3 of those 4 games we have scored in the 94th, 93rd and 96th minute, so really the only one we have scored more than once in a game before 90 minutes is Bolton.

    This is League One, let’s not get this twisted, it’s poor and it really has to improve now if we are going to push for the top 6. 
    Sage by name; Sage by nature.

    Just read those stats again........

    8 out of our last 10 games we have conceded first.  8 out of 10. And we all know what happens when we concede first. 

    How on earth do we expect to win if we keep conceding first. My mind boggles that this has not been addressed. Game after game, week after week. In fact, the last 3 games we've conceded first. The only surprising thing has been that we've managed to scrape a draw each time. 

    And the most annoying thing is that when we do score first we usually go on to win. A reverse Golfie is practically unheard of.

    I hear all this crap about 352, a box midfield, XG and false no 10's.......but the sure fire way for us to win more games IS TO SCORE FIRST.


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  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    Croydon said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Croydon said:
    I don't know how anyone watched that and thought we were good for a point. That was a truly dreadful performance completely devoid of ideas summed up by bringing on an out of shape Danny Hylton. 

    A penalty at the death glossing over another sub par effort. 1 win in 7, 11th in the league, and the pack is starting to pull away from us. 
    Were Wrexham much better? Pretty stuff at times but palmer and Mullin looked poor footballers. Good at shithousery but dog shit footballers.

    a point was a fair in my view
    Interesting to see that view, as everyone round me thought Palmer completely bossed our defence all game. Played rhe target man role brilliantly 
    I think bossed our defence is a bit of an overstatement. However it was a a very interesting battle. They were constantly backing into our defenders in very old old fashioned way. Leaburn and Aneke could learn a lot by watching them (generally have free kicks against them). Did cause us problems and different from anything else we've seen this season. 
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    edited October 2024
    PWR.

    My first live match this season.

    Charlton tried hard and showed character but made more mistakes than Wrexham and got punished eventually. However Charlton didn't lay down and twice fought their way back to level terms.

    In terms of statistics I only concern myself with goals Charlton score versus those they concede usually. I know little of XG and other statistics sometimes referred to on here. However, from my vantage point in Covered End Upper, today I observed 5 pigeons for most of the second half either in the 18 yard box or level with it just outside it on the wings (no pun intended). That demonstrated to me a distinct lack of meaningful attacking from Charlton during that half. If that is reflective of the rest of the season to date then no wonder we are only 11th.

    COYR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,640
    Gisappointed said:
    TC end product would be better if we had more than one or two players in the box. Berry supposedly our attacking midfielder but all his goals have been from 20+ yards.
    It was very noticeable today how many Wrexham players were in the box when a cross came in compared to how many we had. 

    The effort they had that hit the bar (from Lee ?) went past 2 of their players before he latched onto it. We are lucky if we have 2 in the box at any one time. Sometimes today it was just Godden as it was TC supplying the cross !!
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,137
    PragueAddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    ValleyGary said:
    Thought Dobson looked good second half, picked up every second ball and turned them into attack multiple times. Mad what options in front of you can do to a midfielder.
    Felt his passing range was always underrated on here, his vision sometimes is sublime, he was the catalyst for their second goal. 
    Not by Curbs, though, he'd say it every 3-4 weeks, interspersed (this time last year) with a remark about a new contract. But what's he ever achieved in the game, compared with Andy Scott?
    Curbs also remarked on Charlton TV that Dobson was one player he'd have liked in his squad. 
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,137
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Glad to get a point.  Wrexham are not a great L1 team but have enough about them to be there or thereabouts at the end of the season.  I thought they were the better team but didn't ultimately create a lot.

    A draw v them and Barnsley and a win v Birmingham are ok results.  Should have beat Stockport and the run before was diabolical (Stevenage and Rovers). 

    I thought the change at half time affected us poorly. I think our team is too workmanlike and mainly big athletes.  That was blindingly obvious in the summer though.

    This season seems likely to be one of failure and tedious football, it's not a great combo.  Hopefully we find a way to improve. 

    We need to bin Hylton, Potts and the dreadful A Campbell in January though, utter waste of wages the lot of them.
      
    The Luton Old Boys Club most certainly needs to be disbanded.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    edited October 2024
    supaclive said:
    We worked very hard but the same old issues arise.

    A midfield that wasn't equal to the opposition.  Leaburn is very rusty.  Hylton is old, slow, dirty and painful to watch.

    Tyreece Campbell IS A WIDE PLAYER AND NOT A CENTRE FORWARD!

    14 games, 9 starts, 0 goals, 0 assists.

    I'll keep repeating his stats until either I'm right or Nathan Jones is right.

    Leaburn nodded down a cross just outside the six yard box that Hylton should have slammed into the net but he just stood and watched it.

    Shame a more deserving player isn't our 1000th.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,796
    king addick said:
    Draw very much a fair result. 

    Hate Wrexham and the way they play. Mullin and Palmer are shithouses of the highest order.

    6 points out of 12 against teams in the top half isn't a bad thing. I know holes will be picked but I'll admit we need a win soon.

    Still, we kept on and got a point. Last season we would have crumbled.

    Also, fuck James McClean....massive prick.
    I didn’t know why he was getting booed but it was explained to me it was because he won’t wear a poppy. I’m now annoyed I didn’t give him a round of applause. 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,265

    DOUCHER said:
    Braziliance said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    ValleyGary said:
    Thought Dobson looked good second half, picked up every second ball and turned them into attack multiple times. Mad what options in front of you can do to a midfielder.
    Felt his passing range was always underrated on here, his vision sometimes is sublime, he was the catalyst for their second goal. 
    Not by Curbs, though, he'd say it every 3-4 weeks, interspersed (this time last year) with a remark about a new contract. But what's he ever achieved in the game, compared with Andy Scott?
    Yeah it's such a blunder. I rate Coventry, and he had a decent game today, but Dobbo is just more all action and offers a bit more. Disaster we lost him. 

    Find it quite funny as well that people were saying about CBT, May and Dobson being part of our poor league finishes, and in turn them being part of the problem. Well, May is top of the league, Dobson sits third, and CBT is getting game time in the league above. 

    It's delusional to think we have upgraded on any of them imo, a really poor transfer window.
    Agreed. If we had kept them 3 and just added Ramsey and Mitchell, i think we'd be comfortably in the top 6 now, if not the top 2. Unless we sign a creative midfielder or 2 and another winger in the window, we are going absolutely nowhere this season. TC was our only attacking threat today and he struggled to get a game last year - show's how far our attacking options have regressed. I think its generally accepted in football that you get better by keeping hold of your best players and adding to them. 
    No chance, another season down the drain
  • InspectorSands
    InspectorSands Posts: 5,188
    Kevin Nolan's take is up a little earlier than normal: https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/10/26/charlton-athletic-wrexham-match-report-october-2024/

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