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  • edited October 27
    I honestly feel that I have become totally out of touch.
    I am completely bemused by the size of the attendance today.
    I am aware that Wrexham were taken over by rich Americans and now I understand that they are young (ish?) film stars. Is that right?
    What a bizarre choice of football club. I remember when their home crowds were barely scraping 5k.
    It all felt a bit surreal to me, or even unreal.
    It's not like they were all Wrexham fans, who the fcuk else was drawn into this fake mystique?
    A weird anomaly, and now the circus has left town and we can go back to our fake 13k, real <10k attendances
    Watch the documentary.  It gets right into the core of why football matters - to individuals and communities.  Much of it is as much about Charlton/other clubs as it is Wrexham.  I'd be surprised if anybody who has watched the whole thing were cynical about the Wrexham owners.

    Were they there yesterday,  btw?

    Were our owners?
  • msomerton said:
    Hand held ticket readers work at testmatches.
    We had our tickets scanned by a steward with a hand held scanner. No problems
  • edited October 27
    yup Typical negative response from
    you AB
    Idiot.
    AB
    When it comes to Legendary Charlton fans you are right up there with the Best of them and for all your work in getting back to the Valley i and many others will Always remember you for that

    But I’m sorry but IMO since your fall out with Richard Murray… You have always had an axe to grind with the vast majority of your comments always against the club  - some of which are absolutely right
    However I struggle to find anything positive you can say about the club in recent times and you are better than that 

    Fall out with Richard Murray? News to me and probably RM too. Last time I saw him we had a good chat.

    I have struggled to see anything good in any recent set-up at The Valley because it has largely been a pile of shit. 

    What I see is people who care about the club being mugged off - by Jimenez, Duchatelet, Southall, Sandgaard and now Methven - and I’m angry about that because the club matters to me. 

    i understand the temptation to focus on chinks of light and see them as evidence of progress and renewal. For me there have been good moments on the pitch but that is all.  

    It’s a basic safety requirement to have working turnstiles and the number is specified within the regulations. If the club can’t be bothered with it I’d say that supports my view of who is running it, but my only point was that it is unsafe and should be fixed.

    On the other hand, I would question why it is necessary to call out a proper use of the word windfall and an observation about the turnstiles as an attack on the club.
    Apologies. I mistakenly believed a windfall to be a sum of money received unexpectedly, and as the Club planned to take full advantage of this L1 fixture financially, making money was expected. 
  • I do think fans have changed since the Premiership years. 

    20 years ago we'd get 25k most weeks but I certainly dont remember so many people leaving their seats 10 mins before half time & not returning until the 55th minute (as happened A LOT today in the AC stand). Yes people left at HT to get a drink or go to the loo but I still had streams of people up & down the stairs with chips & bottles of coke 10 mins into the 2nd half. 
    If the people working in the food/drink outlets weren’t so useless, you wouldn’t have to leave 10 mins before half time to get a beer ! There were still queues for food/drink 15 mins into second half. The demand is there (like it or not), they just need to organise themselves and make more money AND mean people can get what they want within the half time period. 
  • I honestly feel that I have become totally out of touch.
    I am completely bemused by the size of the attendance today.
    I am aware that Wrexham were taken over by rich Americans and now I understand that they are young (ish?) film stars. Is that right?
    What a bizarre choice of football club. I remember when their home crowds were barely scraping 5k.
    It all felt a bit surreal to me, or even unreal.
    It's not like they were all Wrexham fans, who the fcuk else was drawn into this fake mystique?
    A weird anomaly, and now the circus has left town and we can go back to our fake 13k, real <10k attendances
    Watch the documentary.  It gets right into the core of why football matters - to individuals and communities.  Much of it is as much about Charlton/other clubs as it is Wrexham.  I'd be surprised if anybody who has watched the whole thing were cynical about the Wrexham owners.

    Were they there yesterday,  btw?

    Were our owners?
    Don’t believe Hollywood stars were there but Friedman and Brener were due to be - perhaps someone nearer directors’ box could confirm? Be great if they saw The Valley so full. 
  • Joshua Friedman was certainly there, saw him being greeted by Rodwell before the match at the West Stand entrance.
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  • edited October 27
    I wasn’t at the game but I’m looking forward to seeing all of the action on the next series of Welcome to Wrexham. Thanks to Wrexham for giving us one of the biggest and best days in our club’s history ❤️
  • Friedman was there, loved the crowds, atmosphere etc and had the biggest smile on his face when that penalty went in.
    Thanking his lucky stars no doubt.
  • I loved having a packed Valley, it was a blast from the past of how things used to be, man do I long for those days to come back, when opposing teams hated coming to the valley, and the north stand really were the 12th man.
    Was it the 12th man yesterday? That didnt come across on the stream, whereas second half against Brum was suitably hostile. 
  • I loved having a packed Valley, it was a blast from the past of how things used to be, man do I long for those days to come back, when opposing teams hated coming to the valley, and the north stand really were the 12th man.
    Was it the 12th man yesterday? That didnt come across on the stream, whereas second half against Brum was suitably hostile. 
    I was in the safe standing bit of N block and you can't hear what's going on up the other end so there was often two songs being sung at the same time. The atmosphere was very muted at times.
  • I loved having a packed Valley, it was a blast from the past of how things used to be, man do I long for those days to come back, when opposing teams hated coming to the valley, and the north stand really were the 12th man.
    Was it the 12th man yesterday? That didnt come across on the stream, whereas second half against Brum was suitably hostile. 
    No, the doubling of the attendance didn’t result in a commensurate increase in the atmosphere. I wouldn’t actually say it was much better than a regular Saturday home match. 
  • I loved having a packed Valley, it was a blast from the past of how things used to be, man do I long for those days to come back, when opposing teams hated coming to the valley, and the north stand really were the 12th man.
    Was it the 12th man yesterday? That didnt come across on the stream, whereas second half against Brum was suitably hostile. 
    No not yesterday, but in days past.
  • shirty5 said:
    fenaddick said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Some of you just can’t wait to criticise the club
    FFS this is the 3rd tier of English footi and a crowd of over 22k Charlton fans
    Why not celebrate that fact and the commercial success it was for the club
    Oh no - let’s have another pop

    Well done to all involved this afternoon Ray. 

    Now let’s look forward to the same marketing campaign which got the crowds in today for the rest of the season

    Should be onto a winner even fits a small gain in the average attendance after and including today 
    Realistically we will only see similar if we draw a Prem team in the cup. 

    But of course that means winning a couple of games first…🙁
    Why Nick? What worked today should get more people into the Valley if those marketing techniques are used again. Otherwise those individuals need to explain why
    What worked today was capitalising on the Wrexham factor which they did well. You want those people coming back but the fans will never know if it worked or not 
    I enjoyed this afternoon with seeing a packed Valley , did you Fen from your seat?

    I don’t expect a similar gate for the next 5 home games between now and the end of the year, but Methven and his employees can’t let this opportunity this afternoon go to waste and need to get hold of those first timers this afternoon from Monday morning to get them back once again
    I have little faith the club have correctly identified the claimed (4000?) first timers.
    My other half got our tickets and she received an email welcoming her as a first time visitor to the valley with advice on transport links etc despite living 2-3 miles away, using her con number she’s had for over 20 years to book, being a lapsed season ticket holder and been going since the Selhurst days.
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  • I loved having a packed Valley, it was a blast from the past of how things used to be, man do I long for those days to come back, when opposing teams hated coming to the valley, and the north stand really were the 12th man.
    Was it the 12th man yesterday? That didnt come across on the stream, whereas second half against Brum was suitably hostile. 
    The Covered End was noticeably louder even at 2.45 when I came through the turnstiles (Sam Bartram entrance). Not much singing anywhere else though.  
  • edited October 27
    CAFCTrev said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Some of you just can’t wait to criticise the club
    FFS this is the 3rd tier of English footi and a crowd of over 22k Charlton fans
    Why not celebrate that fact and the commercial success it was for the club
    Oh no - let’s have another pop

    Well done to all involved this afternoon Ray. 

    Now let’s look forward to the same marketing campaign which got the crowds in today for the rest of the season

    Should be onto a winner even fits a small gain in the average attendance after and including today 
    Realistically we will only see similar if we draw a Prem team in the cup. 

    But of course that means winning a couple of games first…🙁
    Why Nick? What worked today should get more people into the Valley if those marketing techniques are used again. Otherwise those individuals need to explain why
    I meant realistically the next opportunity to market in this way will be a cup game. 

    No other fixtures in L1 give us that same opportunity. 
    With all due respect Nick, if the club think the way you are saying then that is rather disappointing and will show today was a short term solution to gaining some extra revenue in
    Unfortunately there's a ceiling to the level of attendance we can attract in league one. The wrexham game is an anomaly, much like the cup games where we happened to draw a big club and therefore can attract a big crowd in isolation as others have alluded to. 

    I used this example before, but just look at our 2018/19 season. We won our last 6 home games in a row on the way to promotion and were playing some great stuff, yet we could not get more than 13k in the ground. Playing great football and consistently winning games is pretty much the ideal scenario for us to get more people to attend, but it didn't.

    You can come up with pie in the sky promotions that would boost the crowd for one off occasions like football for a fiver, but those extra 'fans' never come back in large enough numbers for it to be impactful across the entire season. We are hamstrung by the league we are playing in, its like starting from square minus 1. 

    The reality is the people who could potentially attend a game at the Valley simply aren't interested in third tier football.
    As someone who spent three years working on bringing in fans to Charlton in L1 I’d generally agree with that, but with two caveats.

    Firstly, retention matters as much as recruitment - that was particularly true 2009-12 coming down from a higher level but it is still true facing a sixth consecutive season in L1. Our crowds are historically decent for Charlton in L1 (although times change so like for like isn’t necessarily revealing). Valley Express, for example, is very much about that in L1, which is why the club has been unable to scrap it. It was sold out yesterday but I’m not aware the club added any coaches, which would certainly have been justified.

    Secondly, although you won’t make significant gains you can still make some and lay the groundwork for people to come back at the higher level in the future. 
    Getting people over the threshold once, even if they spend nothing, is an investment with very low cost.

    I’m not sure the matchday performance matters much; it’s more about giving people - especially children - the experience of live football. We were never expecting Football for a Fiver to be “impactful across an entire season”, we were looking to make incremental gains in different ways over time.

    I largely agree, but regarding the quality of the football, I do think it has an impact to a significant degree. It's anecdotal but you see posts on here with fans who have to make more of an effort to get to the Valley due to distance, but arent interested in coming to Cheltenham at home on a winter Tuesday night. Would that be different if it was Norwich or West Brom on the same Tuesday but in the league above? 

    It also reflects in the local area, it's why I see a ton of Arsenal/Man U/Chelsea shirts around Woolwich. Im sure these people are aware that there is a football team on their doorstep, but L1 doesn't really register with them.
  • shirty5 said:
    fenaddick said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Some of you just can’t wait to criticise the club
    FFS this is the 3rd tier of English footi and a crowd of over 22k Charlton fans
    Why not celebrate that fact and the commercial success it was for the club
    Oh no - let’s have another pop

    Well done to all involved this afternoon Ray. 

    Now let’s look forward to the same marketing campaign which got the crowds in today for the rest of the season

    Should be onto a winner even fits a small gain in the average attendance after and including today 
    Realistically we will only see similar if we draw a Prem team in the cup. 

    But of course that means winning a couple of games first…🙁
    Why Nick? What worked today should get more people into the Valley if those marketing techniques are used again. Otherwise those individuals need to explain why
    What worked today was capitalising on the Wrexham factor which they did well. You want those people coming back but the fans will never know if it worked or not 
    I enjoyed this afternoon with seeing a packed Valley , did you Fen from your seat?

    I don’t expect a similar gate for the next 5 home games between now and the end of the year, but Methven and his employees can’t let this opportunity this afternoon go to waste and need to get hold of those first timers this afternoon from Monday morning to get them back once again
    I have little faith the club have correctly identified the claimed (4000?) first timers.
    My other half got our tickets and she received an email welcoming her as a first time visitor to the valley with advice on transport links etc despite living 2-3 miles away, using her con number she’s had for over 20 years to book, being a lapsed season ticket holder and been going since the Selhurst days.

    4000 first timers and 1000 from abroad was out an out bull****.
    Prolly including the 2.5k Wrexham fans in those numbers 
  • edited October 27
    shirty5 said:
    fenaddick said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Some of you just can’t wait to criticise the club
    FFS this is the 3rd tier of English footi and a crowd of over 22k Charlton fans
    Why not celebrate that fact and the commercial success it was for the club
    Oh no - let’s have another pop

    Well done to all involved this afternoon Ray. 

    Now let’s look forward to the same marketing campaign which got the crowds in today for the rest of the season

    Should be onto a winner even fits a small gain in the average attendance after and including today 
    Realistically we will only see similar if we draw a Prem team in the cup. 

    But of course that means winning a couple of games first…🙁
    Why Nick? What worked today should get more people into the Valley if those marketing techniques are used again. Otherwise those individuals need to explain why
    What worked today was capitalising on the Wrexham factor which they did well. You want those people coming back but the fans will never know if it worked or not 
    I enjoyed this afternoon with seeing a packed Valley , did you Fen from your seat?

    I don’t expect a similar gate for the next 5 home games between now and the end of the year, but Methven and his employees can’t let this opportunity this afternoon go to waste and need to get hold of those first timers this afternoon from Monday morning to get them back once again
    I have little faith the club have correctly identified the claimed (4000?) first timers.
    My other half got our tickets and she received an email welcoming her as a first time visitor to the valley with advice on transport links etc despite living 2-3 miles away, using her con number she’s had for over 20 years to book, being a lapsed season ticket holder and been going since the Selhurst days.

    4000 first timers and 1000 from abroad was out an out bull****.
    Having been there yesterday and every home game this season I wouldn’t dispute that figure of 4k making their first trip to the ground.

    i definitely wouldn’t dispute the 1k international figure. It’s very big business these days and with Charlton v Disney’s Wrexham the only game in town they could go to, and town as in LONDON being the operative location, then if anything it wouldn’t have surprised me if the number had been bigger than that.
  • shirty5 said:
    fenaddick said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Some of you just can’t wait to criticise the club
    FFS this is the 3rd tier of English footi and a crowd of over 22k Charlton fans
    Why not celebrate that fact and the commercial success it was for the club
    Oh no - let’s have another pop

    Well done to all involved this afternoon Ray. 

    Now let’s look forward to the same marketing campaign which got the crowds in today for the rest of the season

    Should be onto a winner even fits a small gain in the average attendance after and including today 
    Realistically we will only see similar if we draw a Prem team in the cup. 

    But of course that means winning a couple of games first…🙁
    Why Nick? What worked today should get more people into the Valley if those marketing techniques are used again. Otherwise those individuals need to explain why
    What worked today was capitalising on the Wrexham factor which they did well. You want those people coming back but the fans will never know if it worked or not 
    I enjoyed this afternoon with seeing a packed Valley , did you Fen from your seat?

    I don’t expect a similar gate for the next 5 home games between now and the end of the year, but Methven and his employees can’t let this opportunity this afternoon go to waste and need to get hold of those first timers this afternoon from Monday morning to get them back once again
    I have little faith the club have correctly identified the claimed (4000?) first timers.
    My other half got our tickets and she received an email welcoming her as a first time visitor to the valley with advice on transport links etc despite living 2-3 miles away, using her con number she’s had for over 20 years to book, being a lapsed season ticket holder and been going since the Selhurst days.

    4000 first timers and 1000 from abroad was out an out bull****.
    Why is it bull?  Millwall get around 3-4,000 overseas visitors every game. We also get a lot (nowhere near their levels). Football weekend trips to London taking in two games are pretty huge these days. 
    3-4000? That’s probably 1/4 of the gates they’re getting.
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