This started with the unnecessary changes against Blackpool, we went into that game, third in the league, on the back of an away win at Shrewsbury. The changes Jones made that day was to drop Mitchell for REG and Berry for Campbell, neither player has made the pitch since. The captain, Docherty has not started since Blackpool, the wing/full backs have been different in each game and the forwards have not been the same two or three, with the experiment of Campbell as a front player reappearing in desperation. The only players who have been constant is the goal keeper, Lloyd Jones and Coventry, everything else is decided on which side of the bed Nathan Jones gets out of in the morning. We all know that up to the Blackpool game it wasn't pretty but we were bloody hard to beat, every side that Jones has put out since Shrewsbury has been different in formation and personal, which now leaves Jones in the position of not knowing his best side and the players in the position of not knowing who their teammates are in front or behind, from one game to the next, no wonder we are shit.
Couldn't agree more. The toothless issue was evident before Blackpool but messing with the defence was criminal.
Taylor and zach should st least be on the bench Saturday. Can’t be worse than tonight. Coventry doesn’t pass forward because he can see no-one is available but he is our best midfielder.
Is Zach still injured? If not I'd just start him.
Definitely something to consider as part of trying to play more football. Maybe not for the Birmingham game though.
Absolutely appalling today. Only positive performance this season was against Bolton. What on earth does NJ see in Anderson ? Mind you, alternatives aren't very good but they should be. Transfer window looked pretty good until I saw them play and now it looks shit. Here we go again.
Wonder what fun they are having on the way home. I wonder if anyone has the bottle to start "Ten men went to mow!" without fear of being thrown in front of the bus before Jones jumps in the driver's seat and floors it!!
May would improve this team, but he isn't a miracle worker. With the lack of creativity in midfield, poor crossing and set pieces, he'd be struggling to score in this team as much as Godden did on Saturday or Ahadme and TC did today, until Chuks and/or Miles come on.
This started with the unnecessary changes against Blackpool, we went into that game, third in the league, on the back of an away win at Shrewsbury. The changes Jones made that day was to drop Mitchell for REG and Berry for Campbell, neither player has made the pitch since. The captain, Docherty has not started since Blackpool, the wing/full backs have been different in each game and the forwards have not been the same two or three, with the experiment of Campbell as a front player reappearing in desperation. The only players who have been constant is the goal keeper, Lloyd Jones and Coventry, everything else is decided on which side of the bed Nathan Jones gets out of in the morning. We all know that up to the Blackpool game it wasn't pretty but we were bloody hard to beat, every side that Jones has put out since Shrewsbury has been different in formation and personal, which now leaves Jones in the position of not knowing his best side and the players in the position of not knowing who their teammates are in front or behind, from one game to the next, no wonder we are shit.
I think Berry will work with two work horses next to him in Doc and Coventry and with an intelligent footballer like Godden in front of him. Ahadme isnt that player. Start Aneke with Godden. No more Anderson.
Awful, disgraceful even, that's the worst performance we've put in for some time, certainly under Jones.
Well, another game another round of player rotation, the strike force that started the season so well returned with Campbell the winger chasing long balls over the top and no strength Ahadme being asked to hold it up, harsh criticism of the two possibly, both are being forced to move away from their natural game so what do you expect I guess?
Another changed midfield but with a positive in Luke Berry our only creative(?) outlet starting, the one or two times we found him in the first half he tried to make something happen up the pitch. Anderson continues to rush about achieving very little, Coventry still can't take a decent set piece although his overall game was fine.
But for all the changes in attack and Berry in midfield we abandon the 20 minute attacking game we tried against Blackpool and Stevenage and instead reverted to peak Jones ball (yes I'm doing it) of smash it up to the ineffective front two. Poor defending sees us go 3 down. We were completely out the game by the time we got two back. The worst thing, this was supposed to be a "back to basics" game and we couldn't even get that right.
Special mention to Godden - simply, has to start.
Need to find the right balance in midfield or rather, play through them at least. Anderson, Docherty and A Campbell 3 similar players currently offering nothing more than chasing the ball about.
Some serious question marks over Jones right now, its all gone to pot since the Reading loss but even before that there were doubts. Said this after Saturday's game and it still stands, doesn't know who to play or how to play them, we have 2/3 players all trying to learn a new way of playing with Docherty the ball winning battling midfielder trying to become Charltons no 10. he's the third with TC the winger turn striker and Gas being asked to become Danny Hylton the younger. Completely wasted preseason and it shows, glaringly right now.
Need to find a creative midfielder, forget hoofball & play the ball to feet.
Get rid of wingbacks & play 442. Need at least one decent winger.
For me, if we are going to continue with a 3-5-2, it’s not about a ‘creative midfielder’ it’s about the whole team being more dynamic and quicker when in possession of the ball.
Its why I’d like to see Zach Mitchell in the team when fit, because like the teams we have seen play 3-5-2 well against us in the past we need a CB to be able to step into the midfield position to help cause overloads and open up passing options further up the pitch.
At the moment teams know how to press us, and because our formation is so rigid the pattern of play is always the same.
Whats concerning from that Bolton game, is our entire press as a team has just disappeared
Our goals that day, didnt just come from the fact that we defended well as a team, but because we constantly forced Bolton into mistakes
Same thing against Birmingham in the Cup, we lost because of a worldie, but for large periods they couldn't handle it when we pressed as a team.
Where has that gone?
You had faith based on the early results that we could win games because we'd be fitter than the opposition. But the players out there need to give a shit before that happens, given how we've played of late - Maybe they've got beef with Jones for whatever reasons, but for god sake they're still professionals and the moment they step out on to the pitch... they're not acting it.
Whats just as bad, is they're hiding behind the Manager with the: "Well its his decision... He picks the team etc.", rather than taking responsibility - As I've said and believed for a long time... Yes the Manager picks the team, sets out the tactics... But the moment the game starts, there is only so much input the Manager can have, and at the moment those stepping on to the pitch need to show they can bloody well think for themselves.
To think that majority of us have to go and put in a shift at work tomorrow to earn a few quid while these slags at best get to have a day off or at worst get to kick a ball around a field for a few hours. Ahhh you beauty.
Don’t understand why Anderson plays so much, wouldn’t look out of place in non league. Ahadme shocking, Ipswich have had our pants pulled down. Depressing
It doesn't make any difference who manages us or who owns the club. You don't have a blip for 10 years. This is who we are now.
I agree and have said similar for a long time. Good to see other fans finally realising that there is something seriously wrong at the club. The manager and squad are well below par, however until either the owners make a real investment in the team and the smt are kicked out to be replaced by professional people nothing will ever change. The only other way to go is new rich owners who are willing to spend. Hope you have all noticed that the players are not trying, just going through the motions.
Coming over performatively tapping his chest saying "my fault my fault". Yes we fucking know it's your fault you little div. Can tell half the players want fuck all to do with him the way they waited til he'd gone til they came over. Main character syndrome personified.
Found it disrespectful the way he spoke about the Cardiff job and now it just looks plain insulting.
Two late goals don't cover up the fact that we were 3'0 down at the most out-of gormbteamnin league 1. Not by luvk or poor refereeing but Rovers were much better. God awful squad of journeymen and ex Luton mates. Absolute shambles of a summer rebuild.
I’m not in favour of sacking Jones, but I recall that when Bowyer was offered a five-contract by Southall he wasn’t interested and the reason was that managers don’t usually get their full contract paid up when they are sacked. So I think the length of Jones’s is probably a red herring and in any event we don’t know what if any break clauses it contains.
Ahadme is not good enough Campbell is not a striker. He’s a very decent winger at this level.
Godden should be starting. Our wingbacks do not provide the necessary attacking threat that justifies playing this formation. Im not saying that he will make wholesale changes but something like this?
Mannion Ramsay Mitchell Jones Edwards
Coventry Docherty
Godden Berry Campbell
Leaburn
Not sure if it’s a decent idea or not but feeling pretty numb after that showing.
I don't know how Berry gets in the squad let alone starts after that today
Just because he has a goal in him and does find some decent positions. Agree though he has been poor recently.
Berry couldn't be fucking arsed today. It was like Gilbey on Valium
I wouldn't be arsed either if I were an attacking/ skillful 10 and the balls getting pumped over my head all game.
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Need to find a creative midfielder, forget hoofball & play the ball to feet.
Get rid of wingbacks & play 442. Need at least one decent winger.
Ahadme isnt that player. Start Aneke with Godden. No more Anderson.
Well, another game another round of player rotation, the strike force that started the season so well returned with Campbell the winger chasing long balls over the top and no strength Ahadme being asked to hold it up, harsh criticism of the two possibly, both are being forced to move away from their natural game so what do you expect I guess?
Another changed midfield but with a positive in Luke Berry our only creative(?) outlet starting, the one or two times we found him in the first half he tried to make something happen up the pitch. Anderson continues to rush about achieving very little, Coventry still can't take a decent set piece although his overall game was fine.
But for all the changes in attack and Berry in midfield we abandon the 20 minute attacking game we tried against Blackpool and Stevenage and instead reverted to peak Jones ball (yes I'm doing it) of smash it up to the ineffective front two.
Poor defending sees us go 3 down. We were completely out the game by the time we got two back. The worst thing, this was supposed to be a "back to basics" game and we couldn't even get that right.
Special mention to Godden - simply, has to start.
Need to find the right balance in midfield or rather, play through them at least. Anderson, Docherty and A Campbell 3 similar players currently offering nothing more than chasing the ball about.
Some serious question marks over Jones right now, its all gone to pot since the Reading loss but even before that there were doubts. Said this after Saturday's game and it still stands, doesn't know who to play or how to play them, we have 2/3 players all trying to learn a new way of playing with Docherty the ball winning battling midfielder trying to become Charltons no 10. he's the third with TC the winger turn striker and Gas being asked to become Danny Hylton the younger. Completely wasted preseason and it shows, glaringly right now.
Don't see how he turns any of this around tbh.
Atrocious.
Its why I’d like to see Zach Mitchell in the team when fit, because like the teams we have seen play 3-5-2 well against us in the past we need a CB to be able to step into the midfield position to help cause overloads and open up passing options further up the pitch.
He is a good coach not a good manger
Our goals that day, didnt just come from the fact that we defended well as a team, but because we constantly forced Bolton into mistakes
Same thing against Birmingham in the Cup, we lost because of a worldie, but for large periods they couldn't handle it when we pressed as a team.
Where has that gone?
You had faith based on the early results that we could win games because we'd be fitter than the opposition. But the players out there need to give a shit before that happens, given how we've played of late - Maybe they've got beef with Jones for whatever reasons, but for god sake they're still professionals and the moment they step out on to the pitch... they're not acting it.
Whats just as bad, is they're hiding behind the Manager with the: "Well its his decision... He picks the team etc.", rather than taking responsibility - As I've said and believed for a long time... Yes the Manager picks the team, sets out the tactics... But the moment the game starts, there is only so much input the Manager can have, and at the moment those stepping on to the pitch need to show they can bloody well think for themselves.
Good to see other fans finally realising that there is something seriously wrong at the club. The manager and squad are well below par, however until either the owners make a real investment in the team and the smt are kicked out to be replaced by professional people nothing will ever change. The only other way to go is new rich owners who are willing to spend. Hope you have all noticed that the players are not trying, just going through the motions.
Found it disrespectful the way he spoke about the Cardiff job and now it just looks plain insulting.
God awful squad of journeymen and ex Luton mates. Absolute shambles of a summer rebuild.
I wouldn't be arsed either if I were an attacking/ skillful 10 and the balls getting pumped over my head all game.
How utterly fucking pointless.
Charlton win tonight’s game ~60 out of 100 times and Bristol Rovers win ~15 out of 100 times.
:-)