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POST-MATCH THREAD: Reading vs Charlton Athletic: Saturday 31st August 2024 | KO 15:00

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  • I think we were alright, not good but not terrible. We made a few errors before the first goal then didn't react well to it. Mannion had his wobble (well mopped up by Ramsay) and that unsettled the players for a bit. After the second we didn't know how to play. Once Kanu was on I couldn't really work out our formation. It's a wake up call but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Our next match will be interesting though, see how we react.
  • Was at the game - what is this supposed penalty? Dont recall one at all 
  • First defeat so no point being overly critical but the Ahadme and Campbell combo hasn't resulted in a goal in 4 games 
    And most are not surprised.
    Even before we actually signed him I said I hoped we wouldn't sign Gas as I didn't think he was good enough. I was also critical of playing TC as a striker when he had hardly shone as a winger & some idiot made the bizarre comment that perhaps Ronaldo & Thierry Henry should have remained wingers rather than switching to play as strikers ( even tho Henry still tended to hug the touchline a lot of the time). Hopefully Jones has seen something that a lot of us haven't from both players but I feel we're playing with one arm (leg?) tied behind our backs with those two as our strike force.
  • Awful performance.
    This squad at a push could possibly make the play offs. Not the top 2. 
    We need a proper experienced keeper. That is essential. 
    A really decent commanding c/b.
    Most of all 2 players to replace our current strikers.
    There is not a chance that the current 2 up top will be there much longer. They are a dreadful combination.  
    Jones needs to make changes swiftly or this willl soon go the way of all our recent seasons. 
    We need help. 
  • Each side’s three best players according to FotMob ratings.

    Reading: Savage, Pereira, Wing

    Charlton: Coventry, Ramsay, Gillesphey
  • Strange game. Felt we really struggled in a lot of the first half but then had best chance to take the lead just before half time. Berry looked out of sorts and he rightly got subbed. 

    We started the second half well and should have scored and definitely should have had a penalty. They scored a cracker of a goal and I thought we were pretty cooked after that. Disappointed we didn’t give Charlie Savage a tougher time today. Looks a v good player and I hoped we’d clump him a bit to quieten him down. 

    The ref was bloody awful. Like dog poop awful. 

    I’m trying to stick by Gassan but genuinely think that if he’s trying to do what NJ is asking him then Hylton could do a better job of putting himself about the oppo defence. Potts needs to sign soon too as I think Gillesphey had a tough day, although I don’t think Small helped with his display today. We all need to pray that Leaburn is fully recovered from his op as a lot will rely on him, as to whether we’re in the race or also rans. 

    Very important we bounce back from this as I think it’ll set the tone that we’re not just going to fold after a setback. I think NJ won’t go mad but if the Rotherham game goes ahead I think we’ll see a couple of changes. 

    Its disappointing to lose but fans like the team need to not overreact and trust that we’ll bounce back and win a lot more than we’ll lose. 
  • Rather lose 4-2 than 2-0. How many times do promotion winning teams give up 4 goals in a game?
    I don't know & dont care

    I really must stop doing this week & after week......but until someone can show me a league table that is based on clean sheets rather than scoring goals I'll keep banging on about it. 

    As I said......league tables go in this order.

    Points
    Goal difference
    Goals scored.

    If they went

    Points
    Goal difference
    Clean sheets.

    Then I'd agree with everyone & shut up. But they don't.

    I promise this will be my last word. Just does my head in that people cant comprehend this. 

    How often is a league table, especially a promotion place, decided on goals scored?

    If that’s all you’ve got to cling to, I know you’re talking nonsense.


    By the way, I looked it up for you: it’s happened six times in 276 games over the last two seasons.

    Teams leaking goals don’t get promoted.
    Thats 6 times more than a team being ranked higher than a team on clean sheets. 

    And I didnt need to look it up because......its not measured. Yep, that's right. The powers that run football believe scoring goals is more important than keeping a clean sheet. If not, then if 2 teams were level on GD they would be ranked on the number of clean sheets that have been kept. But they're are not. Never have been. In fact, back on the 80's when they wanted football to be "more exciting" they even thought about giving extra points if a team scored 4 or more goals in a match. But after debate they settled on 3 points for a win instead. Because winning games (ie, HAVING TO SCORE GOALS) was felt would be better. I suppose they could have gone the other way & given extra points if you kept a clean sheet. But they didnt.

    So, for the last fecking time, scoring goals is felt more important than keeping a clean sheet.

    Its not me saying it......its the ENTIRE FOOTBALL WORLD.
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  • for Gods sake we sold Alfie and replaced him with this.
  • edited September 1
    Rather lose 4-2 than 2-0. How many times do promotion winning teams give up 4 goals in a game?
    I don't know & dont care

    I really must stop doing this week & after week......but until someone can show me a league table that is based on clean sheets rather than scoring goals I'll keep banging on about it. 

    As I said......league tables go in this order.

    Points
    Goal difference
    Goals scored.

    If they went

    Points
    Goal difference
    Clean sheets.

    Then I'd agree with everyone & shut up. But they don't.

    I promise this will be my last word. Just does my head in that people cant comprehend this. 

    How often is a league table, especially a promotion place, decided on goals scored?

    If that’s all you’ve got to cling to, I know you’re talking nonsense.


    By the way, I looked it up for you: it’s happened six times in 276 games over the last two seasons.

    Teams leaking goals don’t get promoted.
    Thats 6 times more than a team being ranked higher than a team on clean sheets. 

    And I didnt need to look it up because......its not measured. Yep, that's right. The powers that run football believe scoring goals is more important than keeping a clean sheet. If not, then if 2 teams were level on GD they would be ranked on the number of clean sheets that have been kept. But they're are not. Never have been. In fact, back on the 80's when they wanted football to be "more exciting" they even thought about giving extra points if a team scored 4 or more goals in a match. But after debate they settled on 3 points for a win instead. Because winning games (ie, HAVING TO SCORE GOALS) was felt would be better. I suppose they could have gone the other way & given extra points if you kept a clean sheet. But they didnt.

    So, for the last fecking time, scoring goals is felt more important than keeping a clean sheet.

    Its not me saying it......its the ENTIRE FOOTBALL WORLD.
    Keep hammering away at it - eventually someone might agree with you who isn’t from the 1950s school of football management!
  • edited September 1
    We’ve  lost one game and won three of our first four, the sort of start many would have never expected, maybe accept we got it wrong yesterday and move on, these things happen, and will happen again this season, we're currently top six, and expect Nathan to get it right for the weekend…hopefully👍

  • Anybody know what the "stonewall penalty" Jones is referring to was all about? 

    I was in the Reading end near the other goal, and i can tell you that Reading should have had one after the Mannion cock-up.
    Clean tackle from Ramsay, not a penalty.

    https://x.com/tomlunn/status/1829905439758434327?s=46&t=ynww82GMl7VKBjthBflU0g
    Thanks for the video Callum.

    Totally agree (and thought at the time) that Ramsay got the ball cleanly. Penalty would have been for him lifting his legs and bringing the striker down after the tackle.

    Doesn't look quite as stonewall in the video as it did live, but i still think he was lucky to get away with it.
  • Interesting that Jones admitted Berry was ill and that's why he came off at half time. Maybe in hindsight he should have started Anderson. 

    I think it's time Godden starts a game, the front 2 aren't contributing enough attacking wise and we need fresh impetus. 

    The midfield yesterday couldn't hold on to the ball properly in the first half, but Coventry and Docherty in this current team are almost un-droppable given their roles. Interesting to see when/if A. Campbell gets a go
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  • Disappointing result but to be fair it did make me giggle when Jones said  “I am raging off my nut” unscripted genius. 
    I love his passion ... just a little concerned it doesn't turn him into a stress head. Passion yes, but stress is not good for him or his team.  A fine line indeed.   
  • In the strikers warm up Berry was the only one who knew how to hit the back of the net. Campbell’s chance went the same way as half of his practice shots and Gas’s practice shots were mostly powder puffs. Worrying.
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    You can't beat the opposition by keeping chean sheets, only guarantee that you don't lose. To win promotion, you must win matches, and to do that you must score a minimum of one goal more than the opposition does. Surely everyone agrees? I can't see the controversy myself.
  • Reading now second only to Blackpool on away days never to repeat. A very poor fan experience getting to / from a ground in the middle of nowhere with no segregation outside the stadium. Post match we ended up on the edge of some silly skirmishes- I dread to think what could have happened if it had been a close / tense / controversial finish with heightened emotions.

    Agree with all the concerns re creativity and lack of firepower. On a more positive note we did battle and compete well - even when under the cosh in first half - until the goal took the stuffing out of us. After that we lost composure all round. Plenty said about Ahadme already. I’m a bit worried about Chuks - he seems to have lost his mojo. I do worry we haven’t got the squad depth. Maybe we pinned our hopes on a Joe Gomez sale boosting the transfer coffers? Could also be a missed opportunity not to take a couple of loans. 

    Jones certainly doesn’t go along with the Curbs’ mantra re highs and lows does he? I’m trying to, and will give it to November before deciding whether we’ll be up there or not as that’s when the season is well and truly set. 

    COYA.





  • edited September 1
    Watching the highlights back, we did have chances, just couldn’t finish them.

    Alfies gone, and there’s no point banging on about it, but whether it’s time to play Kanu up front, he might give us a bit more of a goal threat, if Gas is goal shy?

    First time so far this season, that I’ve thought maybe Mannion isn’t up to it, and wish we’d brought a quality keeper in.

    I know you’re going to get off days, but what a contrast to the Bolton performance.

    Before the season started, I thought there were about 10 teams, that could make the top 6, you can probably guess most of them, and there’s always a surprise team that makes it, that you wouldn’t have thought would make it, in there.

    So with Bolton beaten last weekend, that was one of the 10 ticked off.

    I didn’t, and don’t expect Reading to be in that top 10.

    Nathan said this was a gauge to see how far we’ve come since the last time we played Reading, well we still got the same result!

    No wonder he was fuming in that interview, the goals conceded was basic stuff, running through the midfield, and also playing a questionable pass that wasn’t read properly, a lot more work to do on the training pitch, as I said, to go from 16th last season, to top 6 this season is a huge ask (not impossible, but huge).

    Also gutted for the nearly 3000 fans, that bothered to travel, as it felt like a wasted opportunity to get a few of them to come more often, after watching that guff, I’m sure it will put a few people off coming, football is not a cheap pastime to have any more, and no one wants to see their side getting beaten every week, and pay a fortune for doing so.


  • edited September 1
    swordfish said:
    You can't beat the opposition by keeping chean sheets, only guarantee that you don't lose. To win promotion, you must win matches, and to do that you must score a minimum of one goal more than the opposition does. Surely everyone agrees? I can't see the controversy myself.
    Of course no one will disagree with that... However I've not come across a side that has won promotion winning every game? - And teams usually get promoted by losing the least amount of games, with draws the second most common result - Achieving that is done by a combination of scoring goals, and keeping clean sheets.

    However if you keep clean sheets, you're putting more and more pressure on the Strikers... Its why it hasn't mattered if we've only scored one goal in recent games - Same works in reverse, if you don't convert chances, you're going to put more pressure on the defence to keep the ball out.

    Its why its a team game, and is why drawing 2-2 every week got us no where.

    However, keeping a clean sheet would have got us a point yesterday, we ended up with nothing... Sometimes you cant beat the opposition because they're just too good on the day, so if you cant win, you just try not to lose!!
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