I dont see what the difference is, and why CharltonTV had to end to be honest.
The Saturday 3pm coverage was only ever supposed to be for home supporters (Pre-3pm), and then International Supporter (3pm-Onwards) regardless - The way the coverage continues now, its no different with CharltonTV still doing pre-match interviews, a bit of chat between the commentators, and then the game... Its just the studio coverage thats now missing.
Of course the biggest difference is there might be a few less 3pm KO's, but then for those... Just do without the studio to keep Sky happy no?
It is really disappointing, especially when you see clubs like Orient have continued to offer a pre match, in studio show before their games, regardless of the changes to the EFL deal.
Yes they don’t have Minto, or Curbs or Steve Brown but it still feels a hell of a lot more professional than what we’re offering which is barely better than what some clubs were doing five years ago.
It makes Charlton TV look like a poor product and that’s a shame.
The cost to hire Curbs, Brownie, Minto & Charlotte to host two games a week is probably the equivalent of Kaheim Dixon’s weekly wage.
What would you rather the club spent money on? (the priority has to be to get out of this pub league asap).
Well you could use that line of argument about the women's team.
Except there’s a chance that within 5/10 years the women’s team might make a profit. Plus we wouldn’t have our state of the art new pitch without the women’s team, I suspect we wouldn’t have the UoG sponsorship without the women’s team and the fact that if we get it right it could be nationally great PR. That’s before you get into the fact it would be morally bankrupt to not have a women’s team in 2024.
The way it was explained why the studio sections were being dropped, you'd have thought we would be on Sky every week, when we now won't be on Sky for 3 months!
The cost of the studio section was minimal in the bigger picture, a strange decision to drop it, and one which I wonder if they will reverse, seeing that other clubs are still continuing with fuller coverage.
The cost to hire Curbs, Brownie, Minto & Charlotte to host two games a week is probably the equivalent of Kaheim Dixon’s weekly wage.
What would you rather the club spent money on? (the priority has to be to get out of this pub league asap).
It is a bit murky. As far as I can tell the match commentators Terry Smith and Greg Stubley do it for nothing except necessary expenses, but Curbishley, Brown and Minto get or got paid? How much? Charlotte Richardson is an actual journalist who does it for a living (I have heard her on Times Radio amongst other things). God knows how Richard Cawley or Louis Mendez earn a living talking about Charlton and anyway Charlton Live is free online, but Charlton TV requires us to pay a subscription. Sweet guys though they are, the Minto/Brown/Curbishley gets a bit the same after a while, and sometimes rather self indulgent. Couldn’t they at least switch seats from time to time? Or whilst talking play a live game of Jenga, or each read us a poem, or something to make the ‘punditry’ a little bit different. I think Terry Smith and Greg Stubley should each be paid £250 on top of expenses for each game they cover, and the technology should be checked well in time not at the last minute. They could use the subscriptions paid in by fans to do so.
The cost to hire Curbs, Brownie, Minto & Charlotte to host two games a week is probably the equivalent of Kaheim Dixon’s weekly wage.
What would you rather the club spent money on? (the priority has to be to get out of this pub league asap).
Well you could use that line of argument about the women's team.
Except there’s a chance that within 5/10 years the women’s team might make a profit. Plus we wouldn’t have our state of the art new pitch without the women’s team, I suspect we wouldn’t have the UoG sponsorship without the women’s team and the fact that if we get it right it could be nationally great PR. That’s before you get into the fact it would be morally bankrupt to not have a women’s team in 2024.
I agree with this especially as we only just missed out on going to the women’s prem.
that said, isn’t there a chance the studio stuff _might_ make profit? If we have a good season, and here’s hoping, somehow manage to get up, I imagine the demand for the studio coverage could increase quite a lot. In addition, I feel like the product brought quite a lot of intangible benefits in terms of quasi advertising, sense of club affiliation, increased interest and enthusiasm from certain parties so it’s far from as simple as a costs (salaries/ coverage delivery) Vs direct income (cafc tv sales). I think the infectious personalities and chemistry of brownie, curbs, Minto and others definitely made me feel a bit more enthusiastic / less depressed, particularly when those of relative status / height in the game / media are talking about, showing interest and passion in, and thinking about the future of, Charlton.
UK based supporters are not going to pay £10 for the ‘chat’ in addition to any fees to Sky when we are broadcast. That’s the issue as i see it.
Overseas supporters are insufficient in number for their fees to offset the costs I assume.
But that was no different to the situation before this season... No?
Hell they even put the Studio chat pre-game on YouTube, so you didnt even need to pay for that.
By right the only fees they were only ever making were from Overseas fans.
No. It is different. Before I could pay £10 for a non 3pm game and also get the ‘chat’ before during and after.
Yes free before the game but not half time or after as I recall.
People won’t now pay Sky and Charlton for the game surely.
I was more focusing on just the 3pm games with my reply.
Either way though I mean there have only really been a handful of non-3pm games across the season in comparison, about ten at most, 15-games at the extreme which has never made CharltonTV truly beneficial for UK supporters.
I was speaking to Paul Elliott on the way back from Wigan. The money that Sky were offering was too good to turn down especially considering so many fans were streaming the game illegally (my comment on the streams). So the club were obviously losing money each game they paid for the 3 presenters. Now the club profits no matter someone streams it on their stick or paying for Sky Sports.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
I was speaking to Paul Elliott on the way back from Wigan. The money that Sky were offering was too good to turn down especially considering so many fans were streaming the game illegally (my comment on the streams). So the club were obviously losing money each game they paid for the 3 presenters. Now the club profits no matter someone streams it on their stick or paying for Sky Sports.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
Don’t take that experience for granted. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to be able to have it.
In fact, closing off the pre match shows for us international fans is like they’ve closed down the boozer with no alternatives offered.
I was speaking to Paul Elliott on the way back from Wigan. The money that Sky were offering was too good to turn down especially considering so many fans were streaming the game illegally (my comment on the streams). So the club were obviously losing money each game they paid for the 3 presenters. Now the club profits no matter someone streams it on their stick or paying for Sky Sports.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
Don’t take that experience for granted. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to be able to have it.
In fact, closing off the pre match shows for us international fans is like they’ve closed down the boozer with no alternatives offered.
It's nothing to do with luck, if people choose to move abroad & desert the club, hard luck.
I was speaking to Paul Elliott on the way back from Wigan. The money that Sky were offering was too good to turn down especially considering so many fans were streaming the game illegally (my comment on the streams). So the club were obviously losing money each game they paid for the 3 presenters. Now the club profits no matter someone streams it on their stick or paying for Sky Sports.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
Don’t take that experience for granted. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to be able to have it.
In fact, closing off the pre match shows for us international fans is like they’ve closed down the boozer with no alternatives offered.
It's nothing to do with luck, if people choose to move abroad & desert the club, hard luck.
I was speaking to Paul Elliott on the way back from Wigan. The money that Sky were offering was too good to turn down especially considering so many fans were streaming the game illegally (my comment on the streams). So the club were obviously losing money each game they paid for the 3 presenters. Now the club profits no matter someone streams it on their stick or paying for Sky Sports.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
Don’t take that experience for granted. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to be able to have it.
In fact, closing off the pre match shows for us international fans is like they’ve closed down the boozer with no alternatives offered.
It's nothing to do with luck, if people choose to move abroad & desert the club, hard luck.
Desert the club??? LOL
Why always taking such a weird angle on this? I’ve spent hundreds of dollars per year ever since I had to move so I can continue following and supporting the club. It’s one of the most important things in my life and I miss being able to be there A LOT.
Comes across like you’re being a knob to people who don’t have something you do just because you can.
I was speaking to Paul Elliott on the way back from Wigan. The money that Sky were offering was too good to turn down especially considering so many fans were streaming the game illegally (my comment on the streams). So the club were obviously losing money each game they paid for the 3 presenters. Now the club profits no matter someone streams it on their stick or paying for Sky Sports.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
Don’t take that experience for granted. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to be able to have it.
In fact, closing off the pre match shows for us international fans is like they’ve closed down the boozer with no alternatives offered.
It's nothing to do with luck, if people choose to move abroad & desert the club, hard luck.
I spend more now supporting Charlton than when I had a season ticket you eejit!
I was speaking to Paul Elliott on the way back from Wigan. The money that Sky were offering was too good to turn down especially considering so many fans were streaming the game illegally (my comment on the streams). So the club were obviously losing money each game they paid for the 3 presenters. Now the club profits no matter someone streams it on their stick or paying for Sky Sports.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
Don’t take that experience for granted. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to be able to have it.
In fact, closing off the pre match shows for us international fans is like they’ve closed down the boozer with no alternatives offered.
It's nothing to do with luck, if people choose to move abroad & desert the club, hard luck.
Nice comment !!
So people that get up in the middle of the night to watch games on Charlton TV, or those (like me) that drive 6 hours each way so 12 hours in total (if Im lucky with the traffic) to get to the Valley are not proper supporters ?
I was speaking to Paul Elliott on the way back from Wigan. The money that Sky were offering was too good to turn down especially considering so many fans were streaming the game illegally (my comment on the streams). So the club were obviously losing money each game they paid for the 3 presenters. Now the club profits no matter someone streams it on their stick or paying for Sky Sports.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
Don’t take that experience for granted. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to be able to have it.
In fact, closing off the pre match shows for us international fans is like they’ve closed down the boozer with no alternatives offered.
It's nothing to do with luck, if people choose to move abroad & desert the club, hard luck.
Nice comment !!
So people that get up in the middle of the night to watch games on Charlton TV, or those (like me) that drive 6 hours each way so 12 hours in total (if Im lucky with the traffic) to get to the Valley are not proper supporters ?
Have you always lived 6 hours away from 'The Valley' or did you decide to locate there? As i've stated before on a previous Charlton TV related thread, i attend every 1st team game home & away & have not missed a home game for 49 years [excluding lockdown]. As a matter of interest were you at the Wigan game as i believe you are located in the North West.
My comment was not aimed at all viewers of Charlton TV, but i think people forget that Charlton TV is a relatively new concept & was upgraded due to Covid & as far as i'm concerned it is a shame that people now prefer watching it rather than from attending matches. As far as being a proper fan, my opinion is that people who regularly attend matches to support their team are different to people who watch their team on TV, for example i've only attended one England international match at Wembley & never attended a match abroad, so i would never class myself as the same as people who follow them all over the world.
To me there is a pecking order for fans and Clive and his ilk are the crème de la crème those who go everywhere , the Headphone Norms and Sebs are way way above me in the loyalty stakes many moons ago I was a part of that hierarchy but some of us move on family , career moves , life choices etc i doff my cap to all and sundry , we all make different sacrifices to watch The Addicks from wherever we may be but the Charlton gods are that loyal band who make the treks everywhere to cheer on our team live . respect to all but mostly to the travelling legends
Kin hell there is some proper wanking going on here tonight isn't there with people's opinions about being bigger supporters of something than someone else.
I thought someone of you would have left the School Playground a long time ago - Seems not to be the case
I was speaking to Paul Elliott on the way back from Wigan. The money that Sky were offering was too good to turn down especially considering so many fans were streaming the game illegally (my comment on the streams). So the club were obviously losing money each game they paid for the 3 presenters. Now the club profits no matter someone streams it on their stick or paying for Sky Sports.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
Don’t take that experience for granted. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to be able to have it.
In fact, closing off the pre match shows for us international fans is like they’ve closed down the boozer with no alternatives offered.
It's nothing to do with luck, if people choose to move abroad & desert the club, hard luck.
Nice comment !!
So people that get up in the middle of the night to watch games on Charlton TV, or those (like me) that drive 6 hours each way so 12 hours in total (if Im lucky with the traffic) to get to the Valley are not proper supporters ?
Have you always lived 6 hours away from 'The Valley' or did you decide to locate there? As i've stated before on a previous Charlton TV related thread, i attend every 1st team game home & away & have not missed a home game for 49 years [excluding lockdown]. As a matter of interest were you at the Wigan game as i believe you are located in the North West.
My comment was not aimed at all viewers of Charlton TV, but i think people forget that Charlton TV is a relatively new concept & was upgraded due to Covid & as far as i'm concerned it is a shame that people now prefer watching it rather than from attending matches. As far as being a proper fan, my opinion is that people who regularly attend matches to support their team are different to people who watch their team on TV, for example i've only attended one England international match at Wembley & never attended a match abroad, so i would never class myself as the same as people who follow them all over the world.
Hi Clive
no I haven’t always lived away. I was born and brought up in South London, went to school in Charlton and spent my formative years there. However life happens and I moved away for work reasons when I was 19. I’m 62 now so I have lived away from Charlton for far longer than I lived there. However ( And I don’t understand why trust me I have questioned it many times 😂)Charlton will always be my team. You are correct I live in the NW now but wherever I have lived in the world previously I have followed Charlton. My point was Charlton TV is a godsend for a lot of people and its demise has been difficult. I wasn’t questioning anyone’s level of support I was just making a point against your statement “fuck them” which I think is derogatory towards a lot of fellow fans that’s all. Not that it should matter but yes I went to Wigan as I do every away game up north as they are obviously nearer for me. Please don’t think this is a dig mate because it isn’t
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The Saturday 3pm coverage was only ever supposed to be for home supporters (Pre-3pm), and then International Supporter (3pm-Onwards) regardless - The way the coverage continues now, its no different with CharltonTV still doing pre-match interviews, a bit of chat between the commentators, and then the game... Its just the studio coverage thats now missing.
Of course the biggest difference is there might be a few less 3pm KO's, but then for those... Just do without the studio to keep Sky happy no?
It makes Charlton TV look like a poor product and that’s a shame.
It seems Charlton TV showed other clubs how to step up their offering.... but has now been cut while others offer the great product/service
Is a bit sad
I'm looking forward to seeing what can be done with the monthly review show with Minto/Brown/Curbs
The cost to hire Curbs, Brownie, Minto & Charlotte to host two games a week is probably the equivalent of Kaheim Dixon’s weekly wage.
What would you rather the club spent money on? (the priority has to be to get out of this pub league asap).
The cost of the studio section was minimal in the bigger picture, a strange decision to drop it, and one which I wonder if they will reverse, seeing that other clubs are still continuing with fuller coverage.
As far as I can tell the match commentators Terry Smith and Greg Stubley do it for nothing except necessary expenses, but Curbishley, Brown and Minto get or got paid? How much?
Charlotte Richardson is an actual journalist who does it for a living (I have heard her on Times Radio amongst other things).
God knows how Richard Cawley or Louis Mendez earn a living talking about Charlton and anyway Charlton Live is free online, but Charlton TV requires us to pay a subscription.
Sweet guys though they are, the Minto/Brown/Curbishley gets a bit the same after a while, and sometimes rather self indulgent. Couldn’t they at least switch seats from time to time? Or whilst talking play a live game of Jenga, or each read us a poem, or something to make the ‘punditry’ a little bit different.
I think Terry Smith and Greg Stubley should each be paid £250 on top of expenses for each game they cover, and the technology should be checked well in time not at the last minute. They could use the subscriptions paid in by fans to do so.
that said, isn’t there a chance the studio stuff _might_ make profit? If we have a good season, and here’s hoping, somehow manage to get up, I imagine the demand for the studio coverage could increase quite a lot. In addition, I feel like the product brought quite a lot of intangible benefits in terms of quasi advertising, sense of club affiliation, increased interest and enthusiasm from certain parties so it’s far from as simple as a costs (salaries/ coverage delivery) Vs direct income (cafc tv sales). I think the infectious personalities and chemistry of brownie, curbs, Minto and others definitely made me feel a bit more enthusiastic / less depressed, particularly when those of relative status / height in the game / media are talking about, showing interest and passion in, and thinking about the future of, Charlton.
Hell they even put the Studio chat pre-game on YouTube, so you didnt even need to pay for that.
By right the only fees they were only ever making were from Overseas fans.
Same with the EFL Trophy games, but they're all the exception as they're evening matches.
Plus the additional money coming from the Women's Professional Leagues Limited (WPLL).
I imagine there would be costs of using Sky coverage in the preview in addition to the studio people.
Either way though I mean there have only really been a handful of non-3pm games across the season in comparison, about ten at most, 15-games at the extreme which has never made CharltonTV truly beneficial for UK supporters.
As much as I enjoyed the prematch chats. I'd rather have them with other Charlton fans down the boozer.
In fact, closing off the pre match shows for us international fans is like they’ve closed down the boozer with no alternatives offered.
Why always taking such a weird angle on this? I’ve spent hundreds of dollars per year ever since I had to move so I can continue following and supporting the club. It’s one of the most important things in my life and I miss being able to be there A LOT.
Comes across like you’re being a knob to people who don’t have something you do just because you can.
So people that get up in the middle of the night to watch games on Charlton TV, or those (like me) that drive 6 hours each way so 12 hours in total (if Im lucky with the traffic) to get to the Valley are not proper supporters ?
As i've stated before on a previous Charlton TV related thread, i attend every 1st team game home & away & have not missed a home game for 49 years [excluding lockdown].
As a matter of interest were you at the Wigan game as i believe you are located in the North West.
My comment was not aimed at all viewers of Charlton TV, but i think people forget that Charlton TV is a relatively new concept & was upgraded due to Covid & as far as i'm concerned it is a shame that people now prefer watching it rather than from attending matches.
As far as being a proper fan, my opinion is that people who regularly attend matches to support their team are different to people who watch their team on TV, for example i've only attended one England international match at Wembley & never attended a match abroad, so i would never class myself as the same as people who follow them all over the world.
those who go everywhere , the Headphone Norms and Sebs are way way above me in the loyalty stakes
many moons ago I was a part of that hierarchy but some of us move on family , career moves , life choices etc
i doff my cap to all and sundry , we all make different sacrifices to watch The Addicks from wherever we may be but the Charlton gods are that loyal band who make the treks everywhere to cheer on our team live .
respect to all but mostly to the travelling legends
I thought someone of you would have left the School Playground a long time ago - Seems not to be the case
no I haven’t always lived away. I was born and brought up in South London, went to school in Charlton and spent my formative years there. However life happens and I moved away for work reasons when I was 19. I’m 62 now so I have lived away from Charlton for far longer than I lived there. However ( And I don’t understand why trust me I have questioned it many times 😂)Charlton will always be my team. You are correct I live in the NW now but wherever I have lived in the world previously I have followed Charlton. My point was Charlton TV is a godsend for a lot of people and its demise has been difficult. I wasn’t questioning anyone’s level of support I was just making a point against your statement “fuck them” which I think is derogatory towards a lot of fellow fans that’s all. Not that it should matter but yes I went to Wigan as I do every away game up north as they are obviously nearer for me. Please don’t think this is a dig mate because it isn’t
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/update-charltontv#:~:text=The%20club%20can%20now%20confirm,cup%20fixtures%20in%20the%20UK.