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Gassan Ahadme - Aug 2025 gone on a season long loan to Stevenage

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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,219
    msomerton said:
    The big thing about brining Ahadme in, is the length of contract. Why was it not 9ne year for options on both sides to extend if applicable, for the club fitness and number of games available would have been one measure.
    I think 9 years would have been a tad excessive
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,271
    From what we've seen of him 9 weeks may have been excessive.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,993
    Garrymanilow said:
    msomerton said:
    The big thing about brining Ahadme in, is the length of contract. Why was it not 9ne year for options on both sides to extend if applicable, for the club fitness and number of games available would have been one measure.
    I think 9 years would have been a tad excessive
    4 years correct
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,281
    You would have thought a lesson would have been learned with the Chuk's deal. Everybody be it a footballer or us ordinary joe's are looking for long term security and a four year deal is as long term as you can get in the pro football world. Where I think it creates an issue is what does this length of deal do to the players mentality, 'I'm secure for four years even if I get injured or play like a dog' . I might be wrong but have we seen Chuk's make more appearances this season even though it has been from the bench ?  
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,960
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Hopefully someone on here can knock up a YouTube compilation of all his best bits for us and you never know a championship or league one team will come in and take him off our hands.
    Just need a little bit of AI to make Roots Hall look like Anfield.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,370
    Bailey said:
    You would have thought a lesson would have been learned with the Chuk's deal. Everybody be it a footballer or us ordinary joe's are looking for long term security and a four year deal is as long term as you can get in the pro football world. Where I think it creates an issue is what does this length of deal do to the players mentality, 'I'm secure for four years even if I get injured or play like a dog' . I might be wrong but have we seen Chuk's make more appearances this season even though it has been from the bench ?  
    Works both ways though, there’s plenty we’ve signed on shorter deals and then in hindsight been annoyed we didn’t give them a longer deal 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,219
    Bailey said:
    You would have thought a lesson would have been learned with the Chuk's deal. Everybody be it a footballer or us ordinary joe's are looking for long term security and a four year deal is as long term as you can get in the pro football world. Where I think it creates an issue is what does this length of deal do to the players mentality, 'I'm secure for four years even if I get injured or play like a dog' . I might be wrong but have we seen Chuk's make more appearances this season even though it has been from the bench ?  
    The thing is any contract is always a gamble whether it's short or long. You know what would have been really great? Giving Lyle Taylor 4 years, or at least 3. We would have stayed in the Championship if we'd given him 3, but instead Roland didn't like to take the risk in case the signing failed and one good season from a player puts them in the shop window. Imagine if instead of signing Thierry Small on a short term deal we'd offered him 2.5 years. Josh Edwards also signed on a 4 year deal this year, from a Scottish Championship side; we're pretty chuffed about that though aren't we? We signed Coventry on a 3.5 year deal. Thank god for that. I don't think anyone would fault them for effort on the pitch either. The reality is that Ahadme was signed with the hope and the expectation that he would be good; if you pay a decent fee for a player then you are an idiot if you don't make the contract length long enough to protect your investment. If Ahadme had done what we'd hoped, been a good target man and been part of our push for promotion we would be fending off interest protected by a further 3 years on his deal, meaning that at the very least we'd get a good fee. 

    As it is the signing hasn't worked out but if you get it wrong and offer too short a deal you end up in a situation where a player like Taylor, Ricky Holmes, CBT, or very nearly Lloyd Jones can be ripped out of your squad without you being able to do much of anything about it. Under Roland every contract was short so the good left quickly with the bad, under Sandgaard we somehow gave the better players 2 year deals and the likes of Kirk and Aneke longer deals, but we've got it mostly right so far under the current ownership. Not every transfer is going to work out but I'd rather have the investment protected on the expectation that it will work than get our best players nicked on the cheap like we used to every season under Roland.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,837
    redbuttle said:
    wmcf123 said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    wmcf123 said:
    fenaddick said:
    There must be something in his numbers that's promising as that's two upwardly mobile clubs (us and Ipswich) who have taken a punt on him, it just doesn't translate onto the pitch where he doesn't look up to it really
    Ipswich’s scouting was just as bad as ours evidently , given the dross we’ve acquired from them over recent years .  
    What I’d give for Ipswich’s dross scouting over the last 3 years that’s lead to them climbing to the premier league.
    Indeed, indeed.  But they’ve given us 5 duds, of which Fraser was the best, which says it all .  Admittedly they gave us Bent and Hreidarsson .  
    You forgot captain clean shorts(Matt Holland).
    Yeah I wasn’t a huge fan. 
  • Redvalleyeast
    Redvalleyeast Posts: 4,739
    He wont be at the club next season,one way or the other hes out imo. We either take a hit on him and put him up for sale or more likely,loan him out with an option to buy🤞
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,281
    Garrymanilow said:
    Bailey said:
    You would have thought a lesson would have been learned with the Chuk's deal. Everybody be it a footballer or us ordinary joe's are looking for long term security and a four year deal is as long term as you can get in the pro football world. Where I think it creates an issue is what does this length of deal do to the players mentality, 'I'm secure for four years even if I get injured or play like a dog' . I might be wrong but have we seen Chuk's make more appearances this season even though it has been from the bench ?  
    The thing is any contract is always a gamble whether it's short or long. You know what would have been really great? Giving Lyle Taylor 4 years, or at least 3. We would have stayed in the Championship if we'd given him 3, but instead Roland didn't like to take the risk in case the signing failed and one good season from a player puts them in the shop window. Imagine if instead of signing Thierry Small on a short term deal we'd offered him 2.5 years. Josh Edwards also signed on a 4 year deal this year, from a Scottish Championship side; we're pretty chuffed about that though aren't we? We signed Coventry on a 3.5 year deal. Thank god for that. I don't think anyone would fault them for effort on the pitch either. The reality is that Ahadme was signed with the hope and the expectation that he would be good; if you pay a decent fee for a player then you are an idiot if you don't make the contract length long enough to protect your investment. If Ahadme had done what we'd hoped, been a good target man and been part of our push for promotion we would be fending off interest protected by a further 3 years on his deal, meaning that at the very least we'd get a good fee. 

    As it is the signing hasn't worked out but if you get it wrong and offer too short a deal you end up in a situation where a player like Taylor, Ricky Holmes, CBT, or very nearly Lloyd Jones can be ripped out of your squad without you being able to do much of anything about it. Under Roland every contract was short so the good left quickly with the bad, under Sandgaard we somehow gave the better players 2 year deals and the likes of Kirk and Aneke longer deals, but we've got it mostly right so far under the current ownership. Not every transfer is going to work out but I'd rather have the investment protected on the expectation that it will work than get our best players nicked on the cheap like we used to every season under Roland.
    I agree with most of that Gary but both Ahadme and Chuks came with a history of games missed long term, I also think, considering both players were dropping from the championship into league one, the term of four years was a condition of their signing. I get what you are saying about Edwards and Coventry and I agree that those contracts are in favour of both club and player, I just think that when dealing with the length of contract a certain amount of diligence has to go into a players history. 

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  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,933
    Does anyone seriously think he will be here next season ? Unfortunately we will end up paying his contract off and he will be off
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,784
    edited May 5
    He's isn't at the level we need, and won't be here IMO. Worst case out on loan for 2 years
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,650
    fenlandaddick said:
    He's isn't at the level we need, and won't be here IMO. Worst case out on loan for 2 years
    And then back for the final year?
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,784
    Sold for a fee, with a year left will at least get something from a 4th tier club.

  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,370
    edited May 5
    AndyG said:
    Does anyone seriously think he will be here next season ? Unfortunately we will end up paying his contract off and he will be off
    Might be the eventual outcome but first we will subsidise some of his wages and ship him out on loan next season, in hope that if he scores a few goals again someone might take him off our hands 
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,993
    Garrymanilow said:
    Bailey said:
    You would have thought a lesson would have been learned with the Chuk's deal. Everybody be it a footballer or us ordinary joe's are looking for long term security and a four year deal is as long term as you can get in the pro football world. Where I think it creates an issue is what does this length of deal do to the players mentality, 'I'm secure for four years even if I get injured or play like a dog' . I might be wrong but have we seen Chuk's make more appearances this season even though it has been from the bench ?  
    The thing is any contract is always a gamble whether it's short or long. You know what would have been really great? Giving Lyle Taylor 4 years, or at least 3. We would have stayed in the Championship if we'd given him 3, but instead Roland didn't like to take the risk in case the signing failed and one good season from a player puts them in the shop window. Imagine if instead of signing Thierry Small on a short term deal we'd offered him 2.5 years. Josh Edwards also signed on a 4 year deal this year, from a Scottish Championship side; we're pretty chuffed about that though aren't we? We signed Coventry on a 3.5 year deal. Thank god for that. I don't think anyone would fault them for effort on the pitch either. The reality is that Ahadme was signed with the hope and the expectation that he would be good; if you pay a decent fee for a player then you are an idiot if you don't make the contract length long enough to protect your investment. If Ahadme had done what we'd hoped, been a good target man and been part of our push for promotion we would be fending off interest protected by a further 3 years on his deal, meaning that at the very least we'd get a good fee. 

    As it is the signing hasn't worked out but if you get it wrong and offer too short a deal you end up in a situation where a player like Taylor, Ricky Holmes, CBT, or very nearly Lloyd Jones can be ripped out of your squad without you being able to do much of anything about it. Under Roland every contract was short so the good left quickly with the bad, under Sandgaard we somehow gave the better players 2 year deals and the likes of Kirk and Aneke longer deals, but we've got it mostly right so far under the current ownership. Not every transfer is going to work out but I'd rather have the investment protected on the expectation that it will work than get our best players nicked on the cheap like we used to every season under Roland.
    the point is they signed knowing his recent injury issue, also he only ever had one half decent season. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,200
    AndyG said:
    Does anyone seriously think he will be here next season ? Unfortunately we will end up paying his contract off and he will be off

    I think we have to accept we are going to take a hit whatever happens.
    He either goes out on loan and we pay a % of the wages, or we flog him for considerably less than what we paid for him( I happen to think it was a maximum of 500k).
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,306
    I doubt he is on that much money albeit he may not get the same elsewhere.  Depends how much he values a short football career. He is still young. If he backs himself he is better off leaving and starting fresh even on less money than rotting in the reserves here.  If he doesn't back himself he will sit around on his contract with us like Kirk and Fraser did.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,200
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I doubt he is on that much money albeit he may not get the same elsewhere.  Depends how much he values a short football career. He is still young. If he backs himself he is better off leaving and starting fresh even on less money than rotting in the reserves here.  If he doesn't back himself he will sit around on his contract with us like Kirk and Fraser did.

    A cracking post and a fair shout.  What is Kirk doing nowadays?
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,960
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I doubt he is on that much money albeit he may not get the same elsewhere.  Depends how much he values a short football career. He is still young. If he backs himself he is better off leaving and starting fresh even on less money than rotting in the reserves here.  If he doesn't back himself he will sit around on his contract with us like Kirk and Fraser did.

    A cracking post and a fair shout.  What is Kirk doing nowadays?
    Underwhelming Barrow.

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  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,362
    edited May 6
    fenaddick said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    I'd love to know the scouting process here , it's obvious he wasn't the number 1 target as that seemed to be Theo Bair from Motherwell but we got outbid there by Auxerre. I just don't see what he really offers , isn't especially great in the air even if most of his goals for Cambridge were headers we've only seen it at the wrong end. 

    I know Jones has always had physical powerful strikers in his sides but Ahadme just feels like a complete dud. 
    I don't want to write him off completely but recruitment is always a bit of a lottery. Out of all the signings in the summer only he and Campbell could be seen as bad ones, that's a pretty good hit rate really. On paper I get why we signed him, on the pitch he hasn't lived up to it.
    It shouldn't be...
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,466
    Redhenry said:
    fenaddick said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    I'd love to know the scouting process here , it's obvious he wasn't the number 1 target as that seemed to be Theo Bair from Motherwell but we got outbid there by Auxerre. I just don't see what he really offers , isn't especially great in the air even if most of his goals for Cambridge were headers we've only seen it at the wrong end. 

    I know Jones has always had physical powerful strikers in his sides but Ahadme just feels like a complete dud. 
    I don't want to write him off completely but recruitment is always a bit of a lottery. Out of all the signings in the summer only he and Campbell could be seen as bad ones, that's a pretty good hit rate really. On paper I get why we signed him, on the pitch he hasn't lived up to it.
    It shouldn't be...
    It is though. Find me a club anywhere in the world where every signing is 100% a success. There is a risk with every single signing
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,499
    I think he's been a bit unlucky with the style of play Jones eventually went with. 
    It means he's soley competing with Godden.
    However, The fact we've got so many injuries up top and he's not even making the bench is telling 
  • DennisBooth
    DennisBooth Posts: 146
    carly burn said:
    I think he's been a bit unlucky with the style of play Jones eventually went with. 
    It means he's soley competing with Godden.
    However, The fact we've got so many injuries up top and he's not even making the bench is telling 
    I have said he was crap on other Forums from the start. There is nothing I have seen from him that has made me change my mind. A woeful waste of money on a long contract.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,288
    DennisBooth said:
    carly burn said:
    I think he's been a bit unlucky with the style of play Jones eventually went with. 
    It means he's soley competing with Godden.
    However, The fact we've got so many injuries up top and he's not even making the bench is telling 
    I have said he was crap on other Forums from the start. There is nothing I have seen from him that has made me change my mind. A woeful waste of money on a long contract.
    Absolutely. I said when we were first linked with him that I hoped we didn't sign him as I thought he would be a poor signing. Who gave him a FOUR year contract ???
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,988
    NabySarr said:
    AndyG said:
    Does anyone seriously think he will be here next season ? Unfortunately we will end up paying his contract off and he will be off
    Might be the eventual outcome but first we will subsidise some of his wages and ship him out on loan next season, in hope that if he scores a few goals again someone might take him off our hands 
    I can see this happening, whatever division we are in next season.

    "Northampton Town are delighted to announce the signing of highly rated forward Gassan Ahadme from Charlton Athletic. The former Morocco youth international has joined the Cobblers on a season long loan."
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,105
    killerandflash said:
    NabySarr said:
    AndyG said:
    Does anyone seriously think he will be here next season ? Unfortunately we will end up paying his contract off and he will be off
    Might be the eventual outcome but first we will subsidise some of his wages and ship him out on loan next season, in hope that if he scores a few goals again someone might take him off our hands 
    I can see this happening, whatever division we are in next season.

    "Northampton Town are delighted to announce the signing of highly rated forward Gassan Ahadme from Charlton Athletic. The former Morocco youth international has joined the Cobblers on a season long loan."
    Exactly the type of move I'd expect to happen. Don't think it will be a permanent. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,306
    sm said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I doubt he is on that much money albeit he may not get the same elsewhere.  Depends how much he values a short football career. He is still young. If he backs himself he is better off leaving and starting fresh even on less money than rotting in the reserves here.  If he doesn't back himself he will sit around on his contract with us like Kirk and Fraser did.

    A cracking post and a fair shout.  What is Kirk doing nowadays?
    Underwhelming Barrow.

    I believe he played 7 games for them and is to be out of contract again end of June.  You are soon forgotten in football.

    If GA thinks he has the ability to make it, sitting for 3 years doing nothing with us will not help him further his career when his contract comes up; and Jones is the sort of manager that I could see giving him that ultimatum.. ie, we want you to leave, we won't loan you out and you won't play again for us so suggest, politely, you find another club.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,200
    Athletico Charlton said:
    sm said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I doubt he is on that much money albeit he may not get the same elsewhere.  Depends how much he values a short football career. He is still young. If he backs himself he is better off leaving and starting fresh even on less money than rotting in the reserves here.  If he doesn't back himself he will sit around on his contract with us like Kirk and Fraser did.

    A cracking post and a fair shout.  What is Kirk doing nowadays?
    Underwhelming Barrow.

    I believe he played 7 games for them and is to be out of contract again end of June.  You are soon forgotten in football.

    If GA thinks he has the ability to make it, sitting for 3 years doing nothing with us will not help him further his career when his contract comes up; and Jones is the sort of manager that I could see giving him that ultimatum.. ie, we want you to leave, we won't loan you out and you won't play again for us so suggest, politely, you find another club.
    Perhaps if we cut our losses on the transfer fee, he could make a few quid and we do not lose so much into the bargain.
    Both parties happy?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,988
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    sm said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I doubt he is on that much money albeit he may not get the same elsewhere.  Depends how much he values a short football career. He is still young. If he backs himself he is better off leaving and starting fresh even on less money than rotting in the reserves here.  If he doesn't back himself he will sit around on his contract with us like Kirk and Fraser did.

    A cracking post and a fair shout.  What is Kirk doing nowadays?
    Underwhelming Barrow.

    I believe he played 7 games for them and is to be out of contract again end of June.  You are soon forgotten in football.

    If GA thinks he has the ability to make it, sitting for 3 years doing nothing with us will not help him further his career when his contract comes up; and Jones is the sort of manager that I could see giving him that ultimatum.. ie, we want you to leave, we won't loan you out and you won't play again for us so suggest, politely, you find another club.
    Perhaps if we cut our losses on the transfer fee, he could make a few quid and we do not lose so much into the bargain.
    Both parties happy?
    As his wages at Charlton will be higher than anything he will get at any of the level of club interested in him, that will be a factor too.

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