“Football expenditure” increased ~£1.8m in the last two years.
Will be interesting to see what 23/24 figures look like and how they compare to other clubs, I agree with that sentiment.
Expectations that we blow other clubs “out of the water” sounds very spoiled. That’s never been Charlton - our club is hard working one that works harder and works smarter than others for it’s success. It’s never been bought.
A top 4/top 6 budget should be sufficient for this club to get promoted. We could go and spend a few more million in the next week, the next window but it actually guarantees nothing.
As someone living in Kent I was pleased to hear Methven praise the importance of Valley Express.
With my boy travelling with me, it's such an easy way for us to get to games - no queueing for the train, no faffing around for a parking space, etc. If they could figure out a sensible pricepoint and marketing they could certainly make more of it (providing a widely-used service, retaining support) than they currently do. Airman may well have figures that back this up, or perhaps not, maybe I'm in a small minority that appreciate the service.
I certainly appreciate it. Not sure if I’d bother regularly without it. As you say I can’t be arsed with multiple trains or navigating the parking issues etc. It’s a godsend to many. I’m sure it could be better used if they found the right price point and pushed it more. Saying that the routes they do run are well supported hence why they are still running and not been ditched as others have in the past.
Numbers of passengers well down because it’s too expensive and the club doesn’t understand it so takes no risks to generate ticket revenue. But it’s hard in L1 and I take some pride in that what we started in 2004 is still going (accepting there were some routes running earlier but dependent on individuals).
Charlie waffled on about fan engagement and the importance.
I give you four posters on here(we know who they are) who can TRANSFORM things dramatically on a wide scale.
A shame these clowns know better.
Good point, and the sentiment also occurred to me while he was saying the club is trying lots of things, and some will work, some won't. That's absolutely great, keep it up. But there are folk out there with hands-on experience of growing the very same club he's trying to learn, and they're sitting on many of the answers, or at least able to provide a strong steer. I don't know if there’s a scenario that sees these parties willing and collaborating but would be great if it could happen.
Fee signings are overrated -- a player doesn't immediately become better because we signed them for money. Many good players run down their contract so they can take the best offer. Some teams have gone up with barely anything spent on fees. Yeah, they might be struggling in the Champ, but whether you can survive there without investment is a different argument altogether.
And when you sign these players on a free, it's achieved by matching the going price for wages, being willing to pay agent fees, paying the right money to secure the right recruitment scouts who can identify these players, paying the free agent a lucrative signing on fee to match or fend off competition.
You still need to be competitive to sign free agents or have an advantage in some form like area. We secured Lyle Taylor and Alfie May over Sunderland and Derby respectively through location as an example.
Spending transfer fees can in some cases can bypass competition in the free agent market and potentially avoid bigger singing on fees.
Top free agents aren't cheap. This all falls back to spending cash, again.
Spending money is generally the key, we're trying to do things on the cheap. That is the problem.
Fourth biggest budget in the division doesn’t sound like we’re trying to do things on the cheap.
Being smart with that kind of money should see a top two challenge, top six minimum. Unfortunately we’ve underperformed for a good few years now.
I find this often quoted 4th biggest budget hard to believe. Let's see what the 23/24 accounts say which should be published soon.
What good will that do, you will need the accounts of all the other league one clubs to compare.
I work on the basis that anything our owners and management say is mainly bollocks so when they stated the 4th biggest budget I laughed it off
Some good ie the top line finances although we seemed to have skipped a year.
Net transfer spend of £800k to £1m
CM sometimes lets slip more than he intends.
IE bringing catering in house, change in shirt sponsors. Shame those issues weren't probed more but you can't blame in-house interviewers for not going full Jeremy Paxman
Think he confirmed what I said a few weeks back eg the big money guys are happy to put in what they said they would (£10m pa) but they aren't going to splash the cash over and above that.
CM was right say we can't talk about success until we get promoted. Were not on track for that but at least he acknowledged that.
Carter isn't a natural on TV and I keep thinking he's @AFKABartram but he is on top of his brief and appears to be constantly talking to managers.
On to the negative. The questioning was largely vague and soft, and especially from the reps. The fans questions from whattsapp were better and more to the point.
And Ali Maxwell: why? Must be a dozen CAFC fans who could do that.
Technically it was poor, sound was uneven and someone tell CM to look into the camers
I actually think all the fan engagement stuff is good but it's not very sexy for most fans and I have my own issues right now about how much it is real when push comes to shove.
Pleased for Jon and Lewis. I still thing the advisory board set up is totally wrong but that's for another debate.
I'm a big critic of CAST so this will be dismissed by some as having an axe to grind but tonight Heather didn't present CAST as an organisation likely to ask tough or probing questions or that would hold the board to account.
Overall, it was good that it happened but I think the club over managed it due to a lack of confidence/fear of difficult questions when in reality they would have been better to just take whatever came. Nothing should really come as a surprise to them and none of the four are that inarticulate or unable to think on their feet.
So, in a nutshell......
The owners are happy to keep ploughing in £10m a year just to stay in this division, with every few seasons a player sale might be enough to buy a couple more mediocre players that will help us finish 10th. Because they have no ambition to ever spend any money that might get us out of this poxy league.
RIght-o.
Not what I said.
I believe CM sold them the idea that he could reduce costs and increase income (see his ££ slide) and this, plus boosting the squad with academy talent which is our big USP, would produce the additional budget to produce a promotion winning team.
Not happened IMHO because of our poor recruitment (even Rodwell said how poorly we'd used the loan market) and the churn of managers.
I didn’t listen to it, but my reading of the comments made by the SMT is very simple, the plan is. That the owners agreed to give Charlton £10 million a year (losses where around £9 million per year when they took over) to fund the losses which they appear to be doing and are willing to do, therefore at present they are keeping to there part of the plan. This meant we had a million to invest in players and infrastructure/ infrastructure.
The problem is that the SMT stated they could reduce the losses to a more sustainable £3 million or less per year which meant there would be around £7 million per year for investment in players and infrastructure, this they have failed to do successfully as from the figures shown by the SMT would appear that the reduction was being generous £1/2 million or less, so the losses reduced from around £9 million to £8.5 millions. Which means now we have £1.5 millions to invest in infrastructure/ players.
So as I see it the owners are doing their bit, but the SMT have totally failed, I know this is very simplistic but, the owners must be looking at the figures and surly thinking, the SMT are failing and need replacing. They will not be thinking about spending more money than they agreed to (for ground purchase, but if pushed them may consider extending lease), infrastructure and new players, let’s be honest would you?
So my expectations is that there will be a new SMT in place by this time next year, they will be charged to reduce costs hopefully to a more realistic figure (my guess £5 million or less) therefore Charlton would have around £5 million a year for infrastructure and players. The big worry is how do you reduce the losses to £5 million?
Probably a load of rubbish, but that’s my take from what I read on here.
Yes, firstly, I've no idea where the £3m figure came from....... and that would have made a good question perhaps? And then grasping at a straw...... would it be feasible to develop the academy to contributing a further £7m net per annum from player sales......... mens and women's..... by somehow holding on to our young talent for longer.... for silly money...... rather than taking the first offer that came along.....?
He actually said £1m-£2m and that anyone competent could do that and then offset it with player trading - the article does refer to promotion although not in his quote. It’s unlikely you could get to £1m-£2m and stay in the Championship year on year. RD tried that. It basically means running a L1 playing budget and filling the operating loss with the extra central income.
i have a feeling CM said something about getting operating losses down to £6m this season previously, but I haven’t found it. Anyone else remember that?
Oh OK, that's that straw blown away ..... I didn't remember those details you posted either....... would be good to be able to ask, based on the ££ slide they showed, how his numbers might come about?
“Football expenditure” increased ~£1.8m in the last two years.
Will be interesting to see what 23/24 figures look like and how they compare to other clubs, I agree with that sentiment.
Expectations that we blow other clubs “out of the water” sounds very spoiled. That’s never been Charlton - our club is hard working one that works harder and works smarter than others for it’s success. It’s never been bought.
A top 4/top 6 budget should be sufficient for this club to get promoted. We could go and spend a few more million in the next week, the next window but it actually guarantees nothing.
Just out of interest what are the 8.14 million non football costs?
I am pretty sure that during the meeting Methven emphasised he wasn’t a Charlton fan, and bounced that particular question (I can’t remember what it was about) onto Gavin Carter.
“Football expenditure” increased ~£1.8m in the last two years.
Will be interesting to see what 23/24 figures look like and how they compare to other clubs, I agree with that sentiment.
Expectations that we blow other clubs “out of the water” sounds very spoiled. That’s never been Charlton - our club is hard working one that works harder and works smarter than others for it’s success. It’s never been bought.
A top 4/top 6 budget should be sufficient for this club to get promoted. We could go and spend a few more million in the next week, the next window but it actually guarantees nothing.
Just out of interest what are the 8.14 million non football costs?
The actual demarcation is debatable - is Scott a non football cost? Is Rodwell? Are facilities costs at Sparrows Lane? Is security there? Is the pitch at The Valley?
A chunk will be stadium costs, including matchday stewards etc as well as Roland’s rent, but also the cost of the retail stock (which makes the maths in that table implausible by the way, because it isn’t offset in the income column where retail is, for comparison purposes which I recognise, given as net). There will be a maintenance budget. Utilities. IT. Business rates. Transport.
Salaries and on-costs, including senior pay, will make up a large block. If we assume the club employs about 40 non-football staff on average pay that might account for £1.5m - £2m including on-costs. The group of execs may account for another £1m?
Fee signings are overrated -- a player doesn't immediately become better because we signed them for money. Many good players run down their contract so they can take the best offer. Some teams have gone up with barely anything spent on fees. Yeah, they might be struggling in the Champ, but whether you can survive there without investment is a different argument altogether.
And when you sign these players on a free, it's achieved by matching the going price for wages, being willing to pay agent fees, paying the right money to secure the right recruitment scouts who can identify these players, paying the free agent a lucrative signing on fee to match or fend off competition.
You still need to be competitive to sign free agents or have an advantage in some form like area. We secured Lyle Taylor and Alfie May over Sunderland and Derby respectively through location as an example.
Spending transfer fees can in some cases can bypass competition in the free agent market and potentially avoid bigger singing on fees.
Top free agents aren't cheap. This all falls back to spending cash, again.
Spending money is generally the key, we're trying to do things on the cheap. That is the problem.
Fourth biggest budget in the division doesn’t sound like we’re trying to do things on the cheap.
Being smart with that kind of money should see a top two challenge, top six minimum. Unfortunately we’ve underperformed for a good few years now.
I find this often quoted 4th biggest budget hard to believe. Let's see what the 23/24 accounts say which should be published soon.
What good will that do, you will need the accounts of all the other league one clubs to compare.
I work on the basis that anything our owners and management say is mainly bollocks so when they stated the 4th biggest budget I laughed it off
All league clubs have to publish their accounts. Some can get away with 9month delay but often they end up with a points deduction or transfer restrictions if they do so.
Fee signings are overrated -- a player doesn't immediately become better because we signed them for money. Many good players run down their contract so they can take the best offer. Some teams have gone up with barely anything spent on fees. Yeah, they might be struggling in the Champ, but whether you can survive there without investment is a different argument altogether.
And when you sign these players on a free, it's achieved by matching the going price for wages, being willing to pay agent fees, paying the right money to secure the right recruitment scouts who can identify these players, paying the free agent a lucrative signing on fee to match or fend off competition.
You still need to be competitive to sign free agents or have an advantage in some form like area. We secured Lyle Taylor and Alfie May over Sunderland and Derby respectively through location as an example.
Spending transfer fees can in some cases can bypass competition in the free agent market and potentially avoid bigger singing on fees.
Top free agents aren't cheap. This all falls back to spending cash, again.
Spending money is generally the key, we're trying to do things on the cheap. That is the problem.
Fourth biggest budget in the division doesn’t sound like we’re trying to do things on the cheap.
Being smart with that kind of money should see a top two challenge, top six minimum. Unfortunately we’ve underperformed for a good few years now.
I find this often quoted 4th biggest budget hard to believe. Let's see what the 23/24 accounts say which should be published soon.
What good will that do, you will need the accounts of all the other league one clubs to compare.
I work on the basis that anything our owners and management say is mainly bollocks so when they stated the 4th biggest budget I laughed it off
All league clubs have to publish their accounts. Some can get away with 9month delay but often they end up with a points deduction or transfer restrictions if they do so.
Of course they do but my point is to compare the budget to see if we are the 4th biggest spenders someone would need to collate all the clubs accounts and work it out
Fee signings are overrated -- a player doesn't immediately become better because we signed them for money. Many good players run down their contract so they can take the best offer. Some teams have gone up with barely anything spent on fees. Yeah, they might be struggling in the Champ, but whether you can survive there without investment is a different argument altogether.
And when you sign these players on a free, it's achieved by matching the going price for wages, being willing to pay agent fees, paying the right money to secure the right recruitment scouts who can identify these players, paying the free agent a lucrative signing on fee to match or fend off competition.
You still need to be competitive to sign free agents or have an advantage in some form like area. We secured Lyle Taylor and Alfie May over Sunderland and Derby respectively through location as an example.
Spending transfer fees can in some cases can bypass competition in the free agent market and potentially avoid bigger singing on fees.
Top free agents aren't cheap. This all falls back to spending cash, again.
Spending money is generally the key, we're trying to do things on the cheap. That is the problem.
Fourth biggest budget in the division doesn’t sound like we’re trying to do things on the cheap.
Being smart with that kind of money should see a top two challenge, top six minimum. Unfortunately we’ve underperformed for a good few years now.
I find this often quoted 4th biggest budget hard to believe. Let's see what the 23/24 accounts say which should be published soon.
What good will that do, you will need the accounts of all the other league one clubs to compare.
I work on the basis that anything our owners and management say is mainly bollocks so when they stated the 4th biggest budget I laughed it off
All league clubs have to publish their accounts. Some can get away with 9month delay but often they end up with a points deduction or transfer restrictions if they do so.
Of course they do but my point is to compare the budget to see if we are the 4th biggest spenders someone would need to collate all the clubs accounts and work it out
There must be some site / journo, that produces a simple compariyive table of club expenditure.
@henryirving I don’t, mind you with my memory I might have forgotten😀.
Only I was speaking to her on the phone and she said my accent was the same another Charlton fan she knew called Kerry.
Your post reminded me.
Well there’s not many male Kerry’s about especially in their ‘70’s so I might know her and forgotten.
Well now I know three. A neighbour is called Kerry, he’s in his 80’s and was named after the county he was born in. Another Kerry I knew from Wales who we used to see on 2CV meets he’d be in his 40’s now.
Fee signings are overrated -- a player doesn't immediately become better because we signed them for money. Many good players run down their contract so they can take the best offer. Some teams have gone up with barely anything spent on fees. Yeah, they might be struggling in the Champ, but whether you can survive there without investment is a different argument altogether.
And when you sign these players on a free, it's achieved by matching the going price for wages, being willing to pay agent fees, paying the right money to secure the right recruitment scouts who can identify these players, paying the free agent a lucrative signing on fee to match or fend off competition.
You still need to be competitive to sign free agents or have an advantage in some form like area. We secured Lyle Taylor and Alfie May over Sunderland and Derby respectively through location as an example.
Spending transfer fees can in some cases can bypass competition in the free agent market and potentially avoid bigger singing on fees.
Top free agents aren't cheap. This all falls back to spending cash, again.
Spending money is generally the key, we're trying to do things on the cheap. That is the problem.
Fourth biggest budget in the division doesn’t sound like we’re trying to do things on the cheap.
Being smart with that kind of money should see a top two challenge, top six minimum. Unfortunately we’ve underperformed for a good few years now.
I find this often quoted 4th biggest budget hard to believe. Let's see what the 23/24 accounts say which should be published soon.
What good will that do, you will need the accounts of all the other league one clubs to compare.
I work on the basis that anything our owners and management say is mainly bollocks so when they stated the 4th biggest budget I laughed it off
All league clubs have to publish their accounts. Some can get away with 9month delay but often they end up with a points deduction or transfer restrictions if they do so.
Of course they do but my point is to compare the budget to see if we are the 4th biggest spenders someone would need to collate all the clubs accounts and work it out
There must be some site / journo, that produces a simple compariyive table of club expenditure.
Kieran Maguire will likely have shared a league comparison, best I can find is 22/23 losses - we’re third.
Of course clubs such as Sheff Wed likely had a bigger wage bill than us, but higher income and/or player sales is probably why we’re above them.
I keep reading that we need to "spend money", "gamble", "go for broke", "break the bank".
Maybe we should get the European Player of the Year in on a contract we can't afford to honour?
Well it was fun while it lasted. Happy memories of that.
Seriously? Yes it was fun watching Simmo play. But it very nearly cost / lost us the club.
Did you read my words? Fun while it lasted and goodmemories.
No comment on Hulyers financial management.
But, I think memory plays tricks. My memory is that it was fun at first. 5,000 turning up to see him in the reserves before his debut. The goal to sink Newcastle on his home debut. But then, quite quickly, reality kicked in. Simonsen made his debut away at Boro, then got injured. In the meantime came one of the worst performances I ever saw at the Valley, we lost 5-1 at home to Rotherham, with Tony Towner ripping through us and putting crosses on Ronnie Moore's nut at will. That was the team Simonsen found himself in, alongside the likes of Terry Bullivant. It quickly became embarrassing in most games, the Easter 5-2 thrashing of Chelsea being the shining exception you probably remember most. It was a mirage, Chelsea were themselves shit and finished 18th that sason, we lost the next two, and Simonsen left with us in the lurch. Lennie Lawrence (and Derek Hales) saved us from relegation in the last three games.
Not that I remember all of that from memory. Thanks be to Colin Cameron's fine tome.
I suppose @Braziliance will have no clue about any of this. Pity we can't stick him in a Tardis back to the 82/83 season and keep him there for the whole season. Including Barnsley away on the football special with bedsheets placed over the windows of the train home (by BR staff) because of the risk of bricks being thrown by the locals.
@henryirving I don’t, mind you with my memory I might have forgotten😀.
Only I was speaking to her on the phone and she said my accent was the same another Charlton fan she knew called Kerry.
Your post reminded me.
Well there’s not many male Kerry’s about especially in their ‘70’s so I might know her and forgotten.
Well now I know three. A neighbour is called Kerry, he’s in his 80’s and was named after the county he was born in. Another Kerry I knew from Wales who we used to see on 2CV meets he’d be in his 40’s now.
Funny I meet another on a cruise two years ago who was Irish and like me we were the first Kerry we had ever met. I was named after some Australian soldiers my dad fought with out in Burma, as my mum wouldn’t name me as I was the third of 3 boys and she wanted a girl. My father didn’t know in the UK Kerry was a girl name and boy wasn’t I bullied over it at school but in later life it worked out well.
I keep reading that we need to "spend money", "gamble", "go for broke", "break the bank".
Maybe we should get the European Player of the Year in on a contract we can't afford to honour?
Well it was fun while it lasted. Happy memories of that.
Seriously? Yes it was fun watching Simmo play. But it very nearly cost / lost us the club.
Did you read my words? Fun while it lasted and goodmemories.
No comment on Hulyers financial management.
But, I think memory plays tricks. My memory is that it was fun at first. 5,000 turning up to see him in the reserves before his debut. The goal to sink Newcastle on his home debut. But then, quite quickly, reality kicked in. Simonsen made his debut away at Boro, then got injured. In the meantime came one of the worst performances I ever saw at the Valley, we lost 5-1 at home to Rotherham, with Tony Towner ripping through us and putting crosses on Ronnie Moore's nut at will. That was the team Simonsen found himself in, alongside the likes of Terry Bullivant. It quickly became embarrassing in most games, the Easter 5-2 thrashing of Chelsea being the shining exception you probably remember most. It was a mirage, Chelsea were themselves shit and finished 18th that sason, we lost the next two, and Simonsen left with us in the lurch. Lennie Lawrence (and Derek Hales) saved us from relegation in the last three games.
Not that I remember all of that from memory. Thanks be to Colin Cameron's fine tome.
I suppose @Braziliance will have no clue about any of this. Pity we can't stick him in a Tardis back to the 82/83 season and keep him there for the whole season. Including Barnsley away on the football special with bedsheets placed over the windows of the train home (by BR staff) because of the risk of bricks being thrown by the locals.
Well yes to a point you are right about false memory and rose tinted glasses but as a relatively young supporter then it was fun to watch and that’s my point.
We were never seriously challenging for the top division in my memory of the late seventies and early eighties and were as likely to lose as win. It was a bit of excitement otherwise reserved for other teams.
It was a major highlight when the TV gantry / scaffold appeared on the East terrace let alone players making headlines.
Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Get the fuck in Defo the two best candidates
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option to
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is important
Name one that is run significantly better, and how exactly.
Alternatively stand for election, get voted in, and show us all how to run it better.
Ok then Prague. If I stand for election and then I get in, but would it then go any further if the other 5 trust board members voted against in whatever I said or put forward.
Waste of my time but it does not stop me or anyone else having their opinion.
Maybe if if I had 2/3 likeminded people alongside me. Maybe it will change with the people voted onto the advisory board
Gavin Carter fairly complimentary of Sandgaard just now in his Q&A in the Vista Lounge
Maybe he should speak to Olly.
Speaks volumes about Mr Carter.
Sandgaard did so much damage to our club, how supporters of our club cannot see that is a mystery to me
Yes he made stupid decisions and was totally out of his depth mate but honestly without his actions re dealing with the crooks I seriously doubt we would have a club now
Jon Whitfield and Lewis Catt appointed to the new Advisory Board.
Get the fuck in Defo the two best candidates
Brilliant. They should be running the supporters Trust as well.
Of course anyone who wants to change the trust could stand for election on the board, doesn’t seem to happen people just pile on. I haven’t been able to watch tonight and I’m sure the criticism is valid but if people want to change something they have the option to
Nothing wrong with the concept of a Supporters Trust. Every club should have one, but its how its run is important
Name one that is run significantly better, and how exactly.
Alternatively stand for election, get voted in, and show us all how to run it better.
Ok then Prague. If I stand for election and then I get in, but would it then go any further if the other 5 trust board members voted against in whatever I said or put forward.
Waste of my time but it does not stop me or anyone else having their opinion.
Maybe if if I had 2/3 likeminded people alongside me. Maybe it will change with the people voted onto the advisory board
The thing that triggered me (and I'm sorry to be confrontational about it) is that you've been saying for 10 years or more that it's useless and implying that it's because of the people who get elected, (despite the many changes of personnel in that time), but you don't ever say what it should be doing or doing better. You once told me you're a member so it's your absolute right to have your say, but you have to say what your problem is. If you have a shit meal in a restaurant and want a refund, they'll at least want you to explain what exactly was shit about it- in fact, they'd actively want to know, if they are half decent..
The most difficult thing about a Supporters Trust is that it's got to look and sound like an organisation that the Club ownership thinks is worth talking with. Otherwise it really is useless. I agree with the criticisms of Heather's questions on Thursday, but she's done some brilliant work that doesn't get much talked about on CL, and I think she misread how that meeting format would pan out. It was designed to filter and neutralise all the questions, like one of those crap footie phone ins.
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Will be interesting to see what 23/24 figures look like and how they compare to other clubs, I agree with that sentiment.
Expectations that we blow other clubs “out of the water” sounds very spoiled. That’s never been Charlton - our club is hard working one that works harder and works smarter than others for it’s success. It’s never been bought.
A top 4/top 6 budget should be sufficient for this club to get promoted. We could go and spend a few more million in the next week, the next window but it actually guarantees nothing.
I give you four posters on here(we know who they are) who can TRANSFORM things dramatically on a wide scale.
A shame these clowns know better.
https://x.com/ChrisWo30990144
Note: he's guessed the 8+8+8 players, no one was named or hinted at.
I work on the basis that anything our owners and management say is mainly bollocks so when they stated the 4th biggest budget I laughed it off
It makes them look bad because the team is underperforming if it doesn't finish 4th or above.
million non football costs?
Of course clubs such as Sheff Wed likely had a bigger wage bill than us, but higher income and/or player sales is probably why we’re above them.
https://x.com/kieranmaguire/status/1821272908146339951?s=46&t=A-w3Eq0EWWpjMxring904Q
Not that I remember all of that from memory. Thanks be to Colin Cameron's fine tome.
I suppose @Braziliance will have no clue about any of this. Pity we can't stick him in a Tardis back to the 82/83 season and keep him there for the whole season. Including Barnsley away on the football special with bedsheets placed over the windows of the train home (by BR staff) because of the risk of bricks being thrown by the locals.
Sandgaard did so much damage to our club, how supporters of our club cannot see that is a mystery to me
.sangaard is an 18 carot w****** and as for the smiling chest, horrible woman.
Waste of my time but it does not stop me or anyone else having their opinion.
The most difficult thing about a Supporters Trust is that it's got to look and sound like an organisation that the Club ownership thinks is worth talking with. Otherwise it really is useless. I agree with the criticisms of Heather's questions on Thursday, but she's done some brilliant work that doesn't get much talked about on CL, and I think she misread how that meeting format would pan out. It was designed to filter and neutralise all the questions, like one of those crap footie phone ins.