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  • edited May 3
    Chunes said:
    Chunes said:
    I do feel a bit bad for Thomas. He played every single game under Jones across all three CB positions and captained the side for our biggest result. He looked like he was one Jones trusted to do a job and there's no denying he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation. Towards the end Thomas started to fall apart though and his timing on that really wasn't great. I'd like to think of it as Jones trusted Thomas to do enough to keep us away from relegation but now that we're heading into a transfer window he's not at the high level required and we're aiming higher, which implies certain promises have been made. Considering we brought him in on a bit of a random free transfer as cover he played 61 games for us, filled in well at LB the previous season and until the fairly miserable end was probably our most consistent defender this season. Not good enough to be starting for a team pushing for promotion but he did the job that was asked of him in his two seasons and I'll think of him well for that.

    Glad Tyreece is staying, would have been such a waste to just let him walk away
    Might be wrong but feels like misplaced credit. Hard to argue that our defense kept us up. It was the defense that kept us from competing in this league and kept us drawing so many games. 
    I haven't said anywhere it was the defence that kept us up though. I did say he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation, which is true. He played every game despite there being a fair few other options available in that area. He played every minute under Jones apart from when he got hurt against Barnsley and came off with 2 minutes to go. Across that time Jones used Ness, REG, Gillesphey, Hector and Lloyd Jones but Thomas is the only one who was always chosen and we improved defensively (19 goals conceded in 16, 30 goals conceded in Appleton's last 16 games) in that period, otherwise we wouldn't have stayed up. Jones didn't come in on a brief to just see out the season, he had to turn our results around to keep us in the league and he most consistently chose Thomas to help do that. Thomas didn't do it single-handedly but it's a fact that he was called upon more than anyone else to get that job done.
    I feel it's not too much of a leap? You're saying he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation, I'm just saying that the defense doesn't deserve much, if any, credit for that. 
    Well he was a central part because he played every game. That's just factual. He could have played other defenders but he didn't. And I think you're off base with the defence because defence was the thing that needed to improve and it did. We scored 21 goals in Jones' 16 games and 21 in Appleton's last 16. Our problem was never scoring goals, it was the amount we conceded, especially late on. Across that cross-section of matches we scored the same number of goals under Appleton but conceded 21 more and kept no clean sheets. It's difficult to want to give the defence credit (which I never have at any point, that's come from you, I've just said I feel bad for Thomas because he did his job when called upon by Jones and has now lost it) because they went from terrible to sometimes not awful, but it was only by the defence cutting down on the constant errors that led to goals and not switching off after 85 minutes that we stayed up. There's more to it than that, players like Kanu and Anderson defended from the front and Small provided more wide threat but from an attacking perspective we didn't transform to save ourselves, we became harder to beat as a team. If you think the defence weren't involved in that at all then cool I guess
    No, not at all, I'm saying they don't deserve credit for a problem they played a big part in creating and perpetuating. If you think our defence deserves credit for avoiding relegation in league one, and for only bettering Carlisle's clean sheet record (who finished 16 points off safety), what can I say? No point in us having a row about it, I just think our standards for players and this football club couldn't be further apart. 
  • Goodbye to all who leave; hopefully more will follow.

    The rebuilding must start NOW, so that we are not left with the dregs at the end of July.

    Curbs did all his recruitment very early and i hope that the club support NJ with a good squad.

    COYR!!!!
  • One question from me - does anyone know what the word is about Alfie?

    Is he likely to be sold?
  • Does NJ have form for wanting young/project players? The realisation that Small is the same age/younger than the likes of Asiimwe, Anderson, Kanu, Leaburn, TC - we could have a good few years as these players get to gel over time! Needs bolstering with proven top quality / leader style players but I’m quite excited if we are going to look at building long term patterns of play with more consistent teams…
  • Someone should ask him

    What's it all about? Alfie...
    "Not a lot of people know that"...🙄
  • So we could always pick up Tyrese Campbell from the out of contract list and play him alongside Tyreece Campbell. That would really give @KillersBeard something to worry about. 
    Checking Wikipedia for their middle names they’d have to have initials on the back of their shirts I guess.

    T K Campbell and T A T S Campbell
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  • Chunes said:
    Chunes said:
    Chunes said:
    I do feel a bit bad for Thomas. He played every single game under Jones across all three CB positions and captained the side for our biggest result. He looked like he was one Jones trusted to do a job and there's no denying he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation. Towards the end Thomas started to fall apart though and his timing on that really wasn't great. I'd like to think of it as Jones trusted Thomas to do enough to keep us away from relegation but now that we're heading into a transfer window he's not at the high level required and we're aiming higher, which implies certain promises have been made. Considering we brought him in on a bit of a random free transfer as cover he played 61 games for us, filled in well at LB the previous season and until the fairly miserable end was probably our most consistent defender this season. Not good enough to be starting for a team pushing for promotion but he did the job that was asked of him in his two seasons and I'll think of him well for that.

    Glad Tyreece is staying, would have been such a waste to just let him walk away
    Might be wrong but feels like misplaced credit. Hard to argue that our defense kept us up. It was the defense that kept us from competing in this league and kept us drawing so many games. 
    I haven't said anywhere it was the defence that kept us up though. I did say he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation, which is true. He played every game despite there being a fair few other options available in that area. He played every minute under Jones apart from when he got hurt against Barnsley and came off with 2 minutes to go. Across that time Jones used Ness, REG, Gillesphey, Hector and Lloyd Jones but Thomas is the only one who was always chosen and we improved defensively (19 goals conceded in 16, 30 goals conceded in Appleton's last 16 games) in that period, otherwise we wouldn't have stayed up. Jones didn't come in on a brief to just see out the season, he had to turn our results around to keep us in the league and he most consistently chose Thomas to help do that. Thomas didn't do it single-handedly but it's a fact that he was called upon more than anyone else to get that job done.
    I feel it's not too much of a leap? You're saying he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation, I'm just saying that the defense doesn't deserve much, if any, credit for that. 
    Well he was a central part because he played every game. That's just factual. He could have played other defenders but he didn't. And I think you're off base with the defence because defence was the thing that needed to improve and it did. We scored 21 goals in Jones' 16 games and 21 in Appleton's last 16. Our problem was never scoring goals, it was the amount we conceded, especially late on. Across that cross-section of matches we scored the same number of goals under Appleton but conceded 21 more and kept no clean sheets. It's difficult to want to give the defence credit (which I never have at any point, that's come from you, I've just said I feel bad for Thomas because he did his job when called upon by Jones and has now lost it) because they went from terrible to sometimes not awful, but it was only by the defence cutting down on the constant errors that led to goals and not switching off after 85 minutes that we stayed up. There's more to it than that, players like Kanu and Anderson defended from the front and Small provided more wide threat but from an attacking perspective we didn't transform to save ourselves, we became harder to beat as a team. If you think the defence weren't involved in that at all then cool I guess
    No, not at all, I'm saying they don't deserve credit for a problem they played a big part in creating and perpetuating. If you think our defence deserves credit for avoiding relegation in league one, and for only bettering Carlisle's clean sheet record (who finished 16 points off safety), what can I say? No point in us having a row about it, I just think our standards for players and this football club couldn't be further apart. 
    Which is again not what I said, but I think this time you've been having an argument with yourself really. I can do nothing further for you.
  • Wish Dobbo could have stayed, but we were lucky to have him and watch him for the last three seasons and he is still young enough that we may yet meet again…

    Really pleased to see TC renew and hope Small signs the longer term deal (rather than us force his stay through a contract trigger). 

    Otherwise, cannot argue with anything else that has thus far developed. I expect a few sales or free transfers away still, as do most, and like others cannot wait to see who NJ has been linking up. That work no doubt started many weeks ago. Has my support all the way. 
  • Terrell Thomas getting released suggests one thing to me. That is we have centre halves under contract which we might see as squad players so the intention is to bring a few centre halves in that are better than Gillesphey and Jones. I think had either of these two been out of contract we may have kept Thomas for his verstatility. 
  • BigDiddy said:
    One question from me - does anyone know what the word is about Alfie?

    Is he likely to be sold?
    No
  • shirty5 said:
    Bar the George Dobson farce (Up there with Kermorgant in 2014 and Powell, Flanagan & Abrahams in 1978), then in my opinion I can’t disagree with the retained and released list from the club 

    Looking forward to see what players Nathan Jones can persuade to join Charlton Athletic this summer
    Farce …… did Dobson not sign for another club ?? the only offer he got . Should have waited till end of season before deciding his next move 
    Mmmm...didn't think you rated him Ronnie...🙄
  • edited May 3
    shirty5 said:
    Bar the George Dobson farce (Up there with Kermorgant in 2014 and Powell, Flanagan & Abrahams in 1978), then in my opinion I can’t disagree with the retained and released list from the club 

    Looking forward to see what players Nathan Jones can persuade to join Charlton Athletic this summer
    Farce …… did Dobson not sign for another club ?? the only offer he got . Should have waited till end of season before deciding his next move 
    Anyone got a bit of chalk I can borrow and a large blackboard? 
  • Scoham said:
    So we could always pick up Tyrese Campbell from the out of contract list and play him alongside Tyreece Campbell. That would really give @KillersBeard something to worry about. 
    Checking Wikipedia for their middle names they’d have to have initials on the back of their shirts I guess.

    T K Campbell and T A T S Campbell
    They could go Brazilian and do first names on their shirts… 
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  • shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Bar the George Dobson farce (Up there with Kermorgant in 2014 and Powell, Flanagan & Abrahams in 1978), then in my opinion I can’t disagree with the retained and released list from the club 

    Looking forward to see what players Nathan Jones can persuade to join Charlton Athletic this summer
    Farce …… did Dobson not sign for another club ?? the only offer he got . Should have waited till end of season before deciding his next move 
    Anyone got a bit of chalk I can borrow and a large blackboard? 
    No, but you can borrow my nail gun if that's of any use. 
  • edited May 4
    Chunes said:
    Chunes said:
    Chunes said:
    I do feel a bit bad for Thomas. He played every single game under Jones across all three CB positions and captained the side for our biggest result. He looked like he was one Jones trusted to do a job and there's no denying he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation. Towards the end Thomas started to fall apart though and his timing on that really wasn't great. I'd like to think of it as Jones trusted Thomas to do enough to keep us away from relegation but now that we're heading into a transfer window he's not at the high level required and we're aiming higher, which implies certain promises have been made. Considering we brought him in on a bit of a random free transfer as cover he played 61 games for us, filled in well at LB the previous season and until the fairly miserable end was probably our most consistent defender this season. Not good enough to be starting for a team pushing for promotion but he did the job that was asked of him in his two seasons and I'll think of him well for that.

    Glad Tyreece is staying, would have been such a waste to just let him walk away
    Might be wrong but feels like misplaced credit. Hard to argue that our defense kept us up. It was the defense that kept us from competing in this league and kept us drawing so many games. 
    I haven't said anywhere it was the defence that kept us up though. I did say he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation, which is true. He played every game despite there being a fair few other options available in that area. He played every minute under Jones apart from when he got hurt against Barnsley and came off with 2 minutes to go. Across that time Jones used Ness, REG, Gillesphey, Hector and Lloyd Jones but Thomas is the only one who was always chosen and we improved defensively (19 goals conceded in 16, 30 goals conceded in Appleton's last 16 games) in that period, otherwise we wouldn't have stayed up. Jones didn't come in on a brief to just see out the season, he had to turn our results around to keep us in the league and he most consistently chose Thomas to help do that. Thomas didn't do it single-handedly but it's a fact that he was called upon more than anyone else to get that job done.
    I feel it's not too much of a leap? You're saying he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation, I'm just saying that the defense doesn't deserve much, if any, credit for that. 
    Well he was a central part because he played every game. That's just factual. He could have played other defenders but he didn't. And I think you're off base with the defence because defence was the thing that needed to improve and it did. We scored 21 goals in Jones' 16 games and 21 in Appleton's last 16. Our problem was never scoring goals, it was the amount we conceded, especially late on. Across that cross-section of matches we scored the same number of goals under Appleton but conceded 21 more and kept no clean sheets. It's difficult to want to give the defence credit (which I never have at any point, that's come from you, I've just said I feel bad for Thomas because he did his job when called upon by Jones and has now lost it) because they went from terrible to sometimes not awful, but it was only by the defence cutting down on the constant errors that led to goals and not switching off after 85 minutes that we stayed up. There's more to it than that, players like Kanu and Anderson defended from the front and Small provided more wide threat but from an attacking perspective we didn't transform to save ourselves, we became harder to beat as a team. If you think the defence weren't involved in that at all then cool I guess
    No, not at all, I'm saying they don't deserve credit for a problem they played a big part in creating and perpetuating. If you think our defence deserves credit for avoiding relegation in league one, and for only bettering Carlisle's clean sheet record (who finished 16 points off safety), what can I say? No point in us having a row about it, I just think our standards for players and this football club couldn't be further apart. 
    Which is again not what I said, but I think this time you've been having an argument with yourself really. I can do nothing further for you.
    You seem to be insisting that Tyrell doesn't deserve credit, while at the same time listing a myriad of reasons why he does deserve credit...?  I'm not sure why there is anger when I point that fact out? If you have a clearer point to make without meandering then I really invite it. But otherwise I'll say it again, I think it's genuinely a waste of time to get in a row, especially when we demonstrably have different standards when it comes to defenders. (To which I politely recall two years worth of Innis discussions. And also invite you to revisit your comments on this same thread from last year.)
  • Thank God I never have to see Hector in a Charlton shirt again, ambling around the pitch, going through the motions, constantly out of position and then pointing at others when the ball inevitably ends up in the back of our net.
    Just a League One Virgil Van Dijk.
  • Reads like no way back for Dobson.
    We’d have to buy him off the Hungarians. Why do that when he wouldn’t sign for us in January?
  • edited May 4
    Chunes said:
    Chunes said:
    Chunes said:
    I do feel a bit bad for Thomas. He played every single game under Jones across all three CB positions and captained the side for our biggest result. He looked like he was one Jones trusted to do a job and there's no denying he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation. Towards the end Thomas started to fall apart though and his timing on that really wasn't great. I'd like to think of it as Jones trusted Thomas to do enough to keep us away from relegation but now that we're heading into a transfer window he's not at the high level required and we're aiming higher, which implies certain promises have been made. Considering we brought him in on a bit of a random free transfer as cover he played 61 games for us, filled in well at LB the previous season and until the fairly miserable end was probably our most consistent defender this season. Not good enough to be starting for a team pushing for promotion but he did the job that was asked of him in his two seasons and I'll think of him well for that.

    Glad Tyreece is staying, would have been such a waste to just let him walk away
    Might be wrong but feels like misplaced credit. Hard to argue that our defense kept us up. It was the defense that kept us from competing in this league and kept us drawing so many games. 
    I haven't said anywhere it was the defence that kept us up though. I did say he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation, which is true. He played every game despite there being a fair few other options available in that area. He played every minute under Jones apart from when he got hurt against Barnsley and came off with 2 minutes to go. Across that time Jones used Ness, REG, Gillesphey, Hector and Lloyd Jones but Thomas is the only one who was always chosen and we improved defensively (19 goals conceded in 16, 30 goals conceded in Appleton's last 16 games) in that period, otherwise we wouldn't have stayed up. Jones didn't come in on a brief to just see out the season, he had to turn our results around to keep us in the league and he most consistently chose Thomas to help do that. Thomas didn't do it single-handedly but it's a fact that he was called upon more than anyone else to get that job done.
    I feel it's not too much of a leap? You're saying he was a central part of the team Jones put out to steer us clear of relegation, I'm just saying that the defense doesn't deserve much, if any, credit for that. 
    Well he was a central part because he played every game. That's just factual. He could have played other defenders but he didn't. And I think you're off base with the defence because defence was the thing that needed to improve and it did. We scored 21 goals in Jones' 16 games and 21 in Appleton's last 16. Our problem was never scoring goals, it was the amount we conceded, especially late on. Across that cross-section of matches we scored the same number of goals under Appleton but conceded 21 more and kept no clean sheets. It's difficult to want to give the defence credit (which I never have at any point, that's come from you, I've just said I feel bad for Thomas because he did his job when called upon by Jones and has now lost it) because they went from terrible to sometimes not awful, but it was only by the defence cutting down on the constant errors that led to goals and not switching off after 85 minutes that we stayed up. There's more to it than that, players like Kanu and Anderson defended from the front and Small provided more wide threat but from an attacking perspective we didn't transform to save ourselves, we became harder to beat as a team. If you think the defence weren't involved in that at all then cool I guess
    No, not at all, I'm saying they don't deserve credit for a problem they played a big part in creating and perpetuating. If you think our defence deserves credit for avoiding relegation in league one, and for only bettering Carlisle's clean sheet record (who finished 16 points off safety), what can I say? No point in us having a row about it, I just think our standards for players and this football club couldn't be further apart. 
    Ladies and gentlemen, I offer for your delectation two who could pick an argument in an empty room.

    Edit: having seen the further discussion, that’s a bit harsh on Garry. 
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