I’m really sorry I just can not get excited about it. If when Jones joined you said to everyone when Jones joined we would go 13 games unbeaten, with 2 games to go, I and sure most would have thought…… crikey we made the playoffs.
We haven’t even made mid table……. This massive undefeated run has moved us up 4 or 5 places…. Wow.
The delusional would.
Doncaster Rovers lost 5-1 at home to Stockport and were 21st in league 2 on 27th January. Since that game they lost once, and have won 10. Currently 7th and can nick the last playoff place.
I’m sure they love being delusional.
There game on Saturday at home to Barrow is their biggest game since the playoff with us. “quote” their fans in saying that.
We went from thinking we were heading to the bottom tier in the EFL, to not losing for two months to secure safety with plenty of games to spare, and reason to have a bit of hope that we've got the right man for next season. I'm not excited about that, it's like being excited to find out you will get a pat on the head instead of a punch in the face, but I am pretty relieved it went that way.
Glammed up a little bit, seeing we've drawn so many games
On a plus note, if Jones could put that type of belief into this current squad - It gives you a little bit of hope for next season, if he can do it with his squad, provided he's given the tools and the right players to do it.
Ok because an unbeaten run is only ever good if you win all of the games you don't lose?
Cast your mind back 6 months fella!
Just ignore the rest of my post then fella!!
An unbeaten run is still an unbeaten run, as will be installing confidence in the squad which is the most important factor... Regardless if its a win or a draw
So much the same, indeed if you include the Reading defeat in Jones' first game in charge, both managers have the same points total for their first 14 games.
A draw is closer to a loss than a win in terms of points.
THIS. 👏👏👏👏👏
How many points have Man City & Pompey got on their unbeaten runs compared to ours ?
Yes, Nathan Jones is a saint & out saviour. Yes, in years to.come the West Stand will be named after him. But currently most of the "unbeaten run" have been draws....and a few have been where we have been leading & have then been pegged back.
So lets not get all high & mighty just because we've not lost in 13. The more important aspect is how many we've not won.
I would be the first to applaud if the 13 unbeaten were actually 13 straight wins, like in 99/00.
Now THERE'S something to applaud !
If it was thirteen one nil wins you’d be the first to say we didn’t score enough.
Its funny that the defeat that stopped the 13 win streak was a 1-0 defeat. So, once again, the lack of goals scored by us was the determining factor.
A draw is closer to a loss than a win in terms of points.
THIS. 👏👏👏👏👏
How many points have Man City & Pompey got on their unbeaten runs compared to ours ?
Yes, Nathan Jones is a saint & out saviour. Yes, in years to.come the West Stand will be named after him. But currently most of the "unbeaten run" have been draws....and a few have been where we have been leading & have then been pegged back.
So lets not get all high & mighty just because we've not lost in 13. The more important aspect is how many we've not won.
I would be the first to applaud if the 13 unbeaten were actually 13 straight wins, like in 99/00.
Now THERE'S something to applaud !
If it was thirteen one nil wins you’d be the first to say we didn’t score enough.
Its funny that the defeat that stopped the 13 win streak was a 1-0 defeat. So, once again, the lack of goals scored by us was the determining factor.
The 17 game unbeaten run in 1980/81 was also ended with a 1-0 defeat. The 16 game run 97/98 - 98/99 was ended with a 4-1 though.
If you can't win, don't lose. And if you were in relegation form before this run, with this set of players - I think it's fair to say this is an acceptable metric of relative success.
Would hate it next season, but let's face it - that's next season. I hope things change then.
Can't believe some of you lot. The only thing that MATTERED was keeping us up. Sinking into league 2 would have been disastrous. Now, next season is a different issue altogether.
A draw is closer to a loss than a win in terms of points.
THIS. 👏👏👏👏👏
How many points have Man City & Pompey got on their unbeaten runs compared to ours ?
Yes, Nathan Jones is a saint & out saviour. Yes, in years to.come the West Stand will be named after him. But currently most of the "unbeaten run" have been draws....and a few have been where we have been leading & have then been pegged back.
So lets not get all high & mighty just because we've not lost in 13. The more important aspect is how many we've not won.
I would be the first to applaud if the 13 unbeaten were actually 13 straight wins, like in 99/00.
Now THERE'S something to applaud !
If it was thirteen one nil wins you’d be the first to say we didn’t score enough.
Its funny that the defeat that stopped the 13 win streak was a 1-0 defeat. So, once again, the lack of goals scored by us was the determining factor.
Our record run of 15 games undefeated included 12 clean sheets.
Can't believe some of you lot. The only thing that MATTERED was keeping us up. Sinking into league 2 would have been disastrous. Now, next season is a different issue altogether.
Very true…. An exactly what we said at the end of the 2022-23 Season. An look where that has ended up…
So sorry if some of us continue to be a little sceptical about Jones and the promised land.
So much the same, indeed if you include the Reading defeat in Jones' first game in charge, both managers have the same points total for their first 14 games.
Now there’s the reality check we needed.
Nathan Jones has the same amount of points from his first 14 games as Appleton.
There’s really nothing to celebrate when you can’t win at home against minnows like Stevenage or a very young second string Wigan side OR you have delivered some of the dullest football any Charlton side has ever produced when scrapping draws against tiny clubs like Exeter, Cambridge & Fleetwood (that work to salary budgets that are a small fraction of ours).
People need to look at the bigger picture & accept that statistically this is the worst Charlton side for 100 years.
Let's face it Jones has worked a virtual miracle where others failed - when he came in we hadn't won in months and the squad had zero confidence.
he had 1 job this season and he's done it comfortably.
next season will be a whole lot different and he knows that - he probably can't get rid of everyone he'd like to - the key will be keeping the right ones who he thinks will be able to raise their game with some better players around them.
he will have us challenging at the right end next season
Can't believe some of you lot. The only thing that MATTERED was keeping us up. Sinking into league 2 would have been disastrous. Now, next season is a different issue altogether.
Very true…. An exactly what we said at the end of the 2022-23 Season. An look where that has ended up…
So sorry if some of us continue to be a little sceptical about Jones and the promised land.
I’m not sceptical about Jones per se. He’s more than good enough to get us up IMO, but it relies on him being given a decent squad to do it.
The truth is, our unbeaten run has been about as unconvincing as an unbeaten run can be. That’s down mainly to the pretty poor squad we’ve managed to amass. To turn those draws into wins next season and really have a shot at competing we need to strengthen in a number of areas and I hope the sound of some of the straw graspers popping champagne because we’ve managed to draw a few games with the likes of Fleetwood, Cambridge and Northampton won’t distract from that important work.
A draw is closer to a loss than a win in terms of points.
THIS. 👏👏👏👏👏
How many points have Man City & Pompey got on their unbeaten runs compared to ours ?
Yes, Nathan Jones is a saint & out saviour. Yes, in years to.come the West Stand will be named after him. But currently most of the "unbeaten run" have been draws....and a few have been where we have been leading & have then been pegged back.
So lets not get all high & mighty just because we've not lost in 13. The more important aspect is how many we've not won.
I would be the first to applaud if the 13 unbeaten were actually 13 straight wins, like in 99/00.
Now THERE'S something to applaud !
If it was thirteen one nil wins you’d be the first to say we didn’t score enough.
Its funny that the defeat that stopped the 13 win streak was a 1-0 defeat. So, once again, the lack of goals scored by us was the determining factor.
Our record run of 15 games undefeated included 12 clean sheets.
Very easy to win games when you don't concede.
I dunno about winning games, but if you keep clean sheets you're unlikely to lose many!
Can't believe some of you lot. The only thing that MATTERED was keeping us up. Sinking into league 2 would have been disastrous. Now, next season is a different issue altogether.
Very true…. An exactly what we said at the end of the 2022-23 Season. An look where that has ended up…
So sorry if some of us continue to be a little sceptical about Jones and the promised land.
So what's our next move then if Jones isn't up to it? A man whose last managed in the premier league prior to arriving at bog standard Charlton Athletic! Who do we go for after we turf him out? Rob Edwards? Dyche? Klopp!!
Jones has done a great job turning the ship around and clearly is the right man for the job. Being able to stem the tide of defeats is no mean feat and I believe he's getting the maximum he can out of the players he has.
The players now are the issue and hopefully in the summer we are given a squad that is capable of winning games and finishing high in the table.
Can't believe some of you lot. The only thing that MATTERED was keeping us up. Sinking into league 2 would have been disastrous. Now, next season is a different issue altogether.
Very true…. An exactly what we said at the end of the 2022-23 Season. An look where that has ended up…
So sorry if some of us continue to be a little sceptical about Jones and the promised land.
He did what he was brought in for. We were at total shambles. You may well be sceptical about next season, but at least you'll be sceptical in league 1. Let's see what happens.
Jones has done the first job, which was to keep us up. He's done that by going back to basics, with more effort and pressing, at the expense of the attacking quality. And indeed leaving out "luxury" players. He's done a good job, but not a miraculous one, as there's enough quality in this squad to keep us up under any half decent manager, with the "new manager bounce" they'd get from not being Appleton.
The next stage is to build a promotion winning side. AND style of football, as few teams get promoted playing hoofball.
Can't believe some of you lot. The only thing that MATTERED was keeping us up. Sinking into league 2 would have been disastrous. Now, next season is a different issue altogether.
Very true…. An exactly what we said at the end of the 2022-23 Season. An look where that has ended up…
So sorry if some of us continue to be a little sceptical about Jones and the promised land.
So what's our next move then if Jones isn't up to it? A man whose last managed in the premier league prior to arriving at bog standard Charlton Athletic! Who do we go for after we turf him out? Rob Edwards? Dyche? Klopp!!
At no point have I or anybody suggested Jones be removed. The point being made is the current situation hardly confirms him as the new “Messiah”. This current run of not losing is of course most welcomed. However, some of us are not inclined to take it as evidence that all is now well, and next season is going to be glorious.
So much the same, indeed if you include the Reading defeat in Jones' first game in charge, both managers have the same points total for their first 14 games.
Now there’s the reality check we needed.
Nathan Jones has the same amount of points from his first 14 games as Appleton.
There’s really nothing to celebrate when you can’t win at home against minnows like Stevenage or a very young second string Wigan side OR you have delivered some of the dullest football any Charlton side has ever produced when scrapping draws against tiny clubs like Exeter, Cambridge & Fleetwood (that work to salary budgets that are a small fraction of ours).
People need to look at the bigger picture & accept that statistically this is the worst Charlton side for 100 years.
We once finished 21st in a 22-team third tier. Statistically, that was worse.
let's look at the facts and not get carried away by happy clappy euphoria that we have avoided relegation:
1. Jones record is the same a Appleton's first games but Jones had the advantage of bringing in some new players 2. The style of football played by Jones is some of the worst seen at the Valley for many years, just hoof it up the field and hope for the best. (sight exaggeration ) 3. The new owners have not invested any new money in new players
From the above what makes you optimists think we shall be in the hunt for promotion next season?
However whatever we all think the pre season will show whether Jones and the owners are serious about positive progress.
I think Jones has turned us from being an underperforming team to one that has reached its equilibrium as a mid table side. Large clear out and good recruitment needed in the summer for us to be anything other than a reasonable mid table team.
I think Jones has turned us from being an underperforming team to one that has reached its equilibrium as a mid table side. Large clear out and good recruitment needed in the summer for us to be anything other than a reasonable mid table team.
I reckon this side would've come 8th/9th with Jones for the whole season
Some of their fans wanted Mousinho out, saying he was a failed experiment and hadn’t improved them enough from what was being served up by the Cowleys.
Haven’t seen similar calls for Jones but I do think there’s too many people unhappy given the trouble we were in. And a lot of draws now doesn’t determine how next season will pan out.
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An unbeaten run is still an unbeaten run, as will be installing confidence in the squad which is the most important factor... Regardless if its a win or a draw
DDDWDWWDDDWDD - 4 wins, 9 draws, 21 points
This is Appleton's run for his first 13 games
DWDWDWLLWDDWD - 5 wins, 5 draws, 2 losses, 20 points
So much the same, indeed if you include the Reading defeat in Jones' first game in charge, both managers have the same points total for their first 14 games.
Would hate it next season, but let's face it - that's next season. I hope things change then.
Very easy to win games when you don't concede.
So sorry if some of us continue to be a little sceptical about Jones and the promised land.
Nathan Jones has the same amount of points from his first 14 games as Appleton.
There’s really nothing to celebrate when you can’t win at home against minnows like Stevenage or a very young second string Wigan side OR you have delivered some of the dullest football any Charlton side has ever produced when scrapping draws against tiny clubs like Exeter, Cambridge & Fleetwood (that work to salary budgets that are a small fraction of ours).
People need to look at the bigger picture & accept that statistically this is the worst Charlton side for 100 years.
he had 1 job this season and he's done it comfortably.
next season will be a whole lot different and he knows that - he probably can't get rid of everyone he'd like to - the key will be keeping the right ones who he thinks will be able to raise their game with some better players around them.
he will have us challenging at the right end next season
A man whose last managed in the premier league prior to arriving at bog standard Charlton Athletic!
Who do we go for after we turf him out?
Rob Edwards? Dyche? Klopp!!
The players now are the issue and hopefully in the summer we are given a squad that is capable of winning games and finishing high in the table.
The next stage is to build a promotion winning side. AND style of football, as few teams get promoted playing hoofball.
1. Jones record is the same a Appleton's first games but Jones had the advantage of bringing in some new players
2. The style of football played by Jones is some of the worst seen at the Valley for many years, just hoof it up the field and hope for the best. (sight exaggeration )
3. The new owners have not invested any new money in new players
From the above what makes you optimists think we shall be in the hunt for promotion next season?
However whatever we all think the pre season will show whether Jones and the owners are serious about positive progress.
Some of their fans wanted Mousinho out, saying he was a failed experiment and hadn’t improved them enough from what was being served up by the Cowleys.
Haven’t seen similar calls for Jones but I do think there’s too many people unhappy given the trouble we were in. And a lot of draws now doesn’t determine how next season will pan out.