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Vaping Risks

edited January 27 in Not Sports Related
Just received this letter from the Met Police, via my son’s school:

‘As a Schools Team we have recently been made aware of vapes containing high levels of chemicals that have caused some children to lose consciousness resulting in hospitalisation.
The particular brand of vape that these children have been using is called a Cali Pen or Cali Bar but it is unlikely to be restricted to just these brands.
As you may be aware, vapes have not been tested medically to determine either short-term or long-term effects on the health of users. There are many products that are unregulated coming into the UK and being sold illegally to children. In other parts of London, some of these vapes have been found to contain dangerous and addictive drugs such as ‘spice’ and high levels of THC, the psychoactive chemical found in cannabis.
The effects of inhaling vapes are unpredictable and it can be very easy to accidentally take a large dose of an unknown chemical.
Selling any vape to a person under the age of 18 is illegal, although by their bright colours and names sounding like something you would purchase in a sweet shop, it is clear that these products are marketed at children. Sadly, the use of vapes by children is now becoming endemic and the majority of even regulated vapes contain high levels of nicotine ensuring that their users will become dependent upon them.
Please educate your children on the dangers of using vapes and the unknown short-term and long-term effects on their health.
If you are aware of any shops selling vapes to children, please contact your Local Authority Licensing Team who will investigate these allegations. Similarly, if you are aware of anyone advertising vapes that contain illegal drugs, please contact your local police team or report this via Crimestoppers
(please note that vapes containing CBD with a THC content of less than 0.2% are currently legal in the UK – but clearly not for children).’
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  • JamesSeed said:
    Just received this letter from the Met Police, via my son’s school:

    ‘As a Schools Team we have recently been made aware of vapes containing high levels of chemicals that have caused some children to lose consciousness resulting in hospitalisation.
    The particular brand of vape that these children have been using is called a Cali Pen or Cali Bar but it is unlikely to be restricted to just these brands.
    As you may be aware, vapes have not been tested medically to determine either short-term or long-term effects on the health of users. There are many products that are unregulated coming into the UK and being sold illegally to children. In other parts of London, some of these vapes have been found to contain dangerous and addictive drugs such as ‘spice’ and high levels of THC, the psychoactive chemical found in cannabis.
    The effects of inhaling vapes are unpredictable and it can be very easy to accidentally take a large dose of an unknown chemical.
    Selling any vape to a person under the age of 18 is illegal, although by their bright colours and names sounding like something you would purchase in a sweet shop, it is clear that these products are marketed at children. Sadly, the use of vapes by children is now becoming endemic and the majority of even regulated vapes contain high levels of nicotine ensuring that their users will become dependent upon them.
    Please educate your children on the dangers of using vapes and the unknown short-term and long-term effects on their health.
    If you are aware of any shops selling vapes to children, please contact your Local Authority Licensing Team who will investigate these allegations. Similarly, if you are aware of anyone advertising vapes that contain illegal drugs, please contact your local police team or report this via Crimestoppers
    (please note that vapes containing CBD with a THC content of less than 0.2% are currently legal in the UK – but clearly not for children).’
    Absolute f*cking disgrace.  Shameful.  Disgusting.  If I were you, I would be having a very strong word with your son's school.  Totally unacceptable.  

    I mean, I know standards slip over time.  But there's no way your son's school should allow the police to send out a message with a split infinitive. 
  • A lot of kids at my daughter's school use them. The terrible thing is, some kids are given them by their parents.
  • Where's the Fun, Jokes or Captions?
  • WTF?
    I know, it's shocking mate. If I'm being charitable, they may be doing it to make sure they're not using unsafe vapes but it's a terrible thing to do.
  • as a smoker i have cut down massively, i think ill always have a cig when i drink. these days i have knocked the 2/3 pints after work pretty much daily on the head and just tend to drink on weekends. 

    out of my group there's lads that vape that never smoked which I find strange. 

    couple of guys in my office vape and they are constantly at it. 
  • Thanks James, my son is 14 and I know despite his protestations that he has vaped before, this will be a useful way into discussing the risks again. 
  • As mad as it sounds, I know more than one person who has gone back to cigarettes in order to quite vaping because they were getting through at least one per day (around 600 puffs) and experiencing worse side effects. I think in the coming years we’ll know a lot more about the risks, especially as so many more young kids are developing addictions.
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  • edited January 15
    Smithy said:
    As mad as it sounds, I know more than one person who has gone back to cigarettes in order to quite vaping because they were getting through at least one per day (around 600 puffs) and experiencing worse side effects. I think in the coming years we’ll know a lot more about the risks, especially as so many more young kids are developing addictions.
    What sort of side effects were they suffering?
  • I had a mate who went from an occasional smoker to vaping so much he ended up in hospital with heart palpitations caused by a borderline nicotine overdose. He worked in the trades and had his vape on a chain round his neck, so almost certainly didn't even realise he was taking a puff every few seconds/minutes.

    The issue is the complete dependence people have on these things. Where they'd keep cigarettes in their pocket/bag, they have their vape in hand at all times it seems. You see them walking down the street with it in hand, driving with it pinned to the steering wheel, the vape sitting on their desk the whole time they're not vaping. It's ridiculous and shows how much more they are vaping than they would ever have smoked, and probably not realising how much they are doing it because it's always in hand.
  • as a smoker i have cut down massively, i think ill always have a cig when i drink. these days i have knocked the 2/3 pints after work pretty much daily on the head and just tend to drink on weekends. 

    out of my group there's lads that vape that never smoked which I find strange

    couple of guys in my office vape and they are constantly at it. 
    one of my wife's mates has never smoked and now started vaping - baffles me as to why??
  • as a smoker i have cut down massively, i think ill always have a cig when i drink. these days i have knocked the 2/3 pints after work pretty much daily on the head and just tend to drink on weekends. 

    out of my group there's lads that vape that never smoked which I find strange

    couple of guys in my office vape and they are constantly at it. 
    one of my wife's mates has never smoked and now started vaping - baffles me as to why??
    Because vaping is the new smoking. So many people who have never smoked a cigarette in their lives are vaping.

    I wouldn't be surprised if more than half the kids who vape have never had a cigarette. 

    Really strange though I completely agree. 
  • I sort of get it with kids, but she's a 40+ senior 'health professional' believe it or not who I'd like to think might have a bit more sense!?!?
  • It is criminal that the sale of vapes in a multitude of flavours, likely to attract children has been allowed. They should have been aimed only at smokers trying to stop smoking. 

    The battle against smoking was being won, with far fewer young people starting to smoke. We now have a new generation hooked on vaping. 
    Amoral manufacturers and retailers. 
  • Chizz said:
    Smithy said:
    As mad as it sounds, I know more than one person who has gone back to cigarettes in order to quite vaping because they were getting through at least one per day (around 600 puffs) and experiencing worse side effects. I think in the coming years we’ll know a lot more about the risks, especially as so many more young kids are developing addictions.
    What sort of side effects were they suffering?
    The worst one was constant flu symptoms. Shivering, muscle aches, cough etc. Stopped as soon as they quit vaping.
  • edited January 15
    In our village we have two proper general shops (a CO-OP and a Morrisons convenience store) both have just been refitted and both have installed huge Vape stock cabinets. In addition a small cloths shop has the same. It must be very hard to resist if you are a gullible spotty youth.
  • One of the major problems is people are buying the snide versions of branded vape bars, which will no doubt be even worse. All the knock off elf bars and lost marys will be turning people's lungs into swiss cheese. I think even the genuine elf bars are banned in the states.


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  • edited January 15
    As someone who successfully quit smoking using a vape (and then vaping thereafter to being nicotine free), i do see some benefit to them when used correctly.

    When i quit it was when the only option was the "vape decks" where you had to put your own liquid in the atomiser, charge the battery etc. There was also a quite large up front cost of £35-50 for the "kit".

    I believe the issue ultimately lies with the disposable vapes due to their ease of access, cheap price & the fact their now in every off licence, supermarket rather than specialist shops. That's before we even consider the enviromental impact of them.
  • Smoking should just be taxed out of existence and vaping needs to be banned now. Taking anything into your lungs apart from air is not a good thing over the long term. If we don’t nail vaping now then all we’ll have done is replace one evil with another for no benefit.
    I don't drink. Let's tax alcohol out of existence.

    I used to smoke 40 a day. Stopped smoking started vaping which my doctor was very pleased about.
    Since then I don't get out of breath when walking and my sense of taste and smell has improved.
    Vaping is like anything else. If you buy and use good products then, in my experience, it's fine.
    If you use cheap imports, from China especially, you run the risk of harmful and sometimes dangerous products. 
  • Its easy, come down on retaillers who sell them to kids as hard as they would those who sell alcohol to kids and incredibly hard on anyone selling the jekyll ones. 

    Don't need to make them illegal, dont need to tax them, don't need any more interference or bans just for the rules to be enforced 

    I accept fruity and sweet flavours appear to be aimed at kids. A bit like rose, blue wkd, yeiger bombs, tequila rose. Just stop selling it to kids 
  • edited January 16
    Smoking should just be taxed out of existence and vaping needs to be banned now. Taking anything into your lungs apart from air is not a good thing over the long term. If we don’t nail vaping now then all we’ll have done is replace one evil with another for no benefit.
    I don't drink. Let's tax alcohol out of existence.

    I used to smoke 40 a day. Stopped smoking started vaping which my doctor was very pleased about.
    Since then I don't get out of breath when walking and my sense of taste and smell has improved.
    Vaping is like anything else. If you buy and use good products then, in my experience, it's fine.
    If you use cheap imports, from China especially, you run the risk of harmful and sometimes dangerous products. 
    Would you like to quit vaping eventually, if only to save money @southamptonaddick ?
  • Carter said:
    Its easy, come down on retaillers who sell them to kids as hard as they would those who sell alcohol to kids and incredibly hard on anyone selling the jekyll ones. 

    Don't need to make them illegal, dont need to tax them, don't need any more interference or bans just for the rules to be enforced 

    I accept fruity and sweet flavours appear to be aimed at kids. A bit like rose, blue wkd, yeiger bombs, tequila rose. Just stop selling it to kids 
    Also I imagine practically impossible to legislate for ‘flavours’. 

    How would you define what’s allowed / not allowed?

    I imagine it can only be age and we already have that law. 

    We need to shun these retailers or find some way of local council imposing restrictive licensing arrangements generally. 
  • If vaping is used as an aid to stop smoking, then it’s a good thing, providing you then stop vaping. I can’t imagine vaping long term is good for you. 
  • I think the problem is the cheap, one day use ones more than vaping as a whole. If the small daily ones were banned, forcing people to pay for the more expensive 'kits' which require refilling etc it would be harder for kids to get a hold of them and also reduce the environmental impact that some people have referred to also?
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