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Interesting to revisit it...
Elite
Small
Ramsey
L Jones
Docherty
Leaburn
T Campbell
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League One squad players
Mitchell
REG
Edwards
Gillesphy
Coventry
Berry
Godden
Gassan
Aneke
A Campbell
T Watson
Kids
Kanu
AMB
Z Mitchell
Laquretabua
Enslin
Dixon
Anderson
Assimwe
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Pretty much agree with that, other than I'd argue Edwards, Mitchell and Coventry have had better seasons than Docherty who's only started to stand out more recently, aside from the odd good game here and there earlier on in the season. I think those three all have the potential to play in the Championship.0
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Think Leaburn and T Campbell still count in the Youth section?2
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Revisited post promotion…Callumcafc said:
Elite
“players any side in League One would want, could step up”
Kayne Ramsay
Lloyd Jones
Josh Edwards
Thierry Small
Conor Coventry
Greg Docherty
Luke Berry
Matt Godden
Consistent
“won’t let you down when called upon”
Will Mannion
Macauley Gillesphey
Alex Mitchell
Tennai Watson
Terry Taylor
Alex Gilbert
Chuks Aneke
Danny Hylton
Gassan Ahadme
Academy
“young talent able to contribute”
Ashley Maynard-Brewer
Zach Mitchell
Nathan Asiimwe
Karoy Anderson
Tyreece Campbell
Kaheim Dixon
Daniel Kanu
Miles Leaburn1 -
Despite the extensive ridicule, some from me, that's quite a good table. Although could do with a couple of tweaks, possibly adding Mbick and removing Ahadme for instance0
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It still is nonsense for me. Why not have 10 - 6 - 8? Surely you try to maximise the first number without putting a limit on it.4
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Looking at next season, how many “Elite” players do we currently have that any Championship club would want and could make the step up to the Premier League? It’s probably 0 by my reckoning.0
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Of course you sign the best players you can, but this is about budgeting isn’t it? You pay the top 8 better wages, which is freed up from using academy players who are a lot cheaper as most are on their first or second pro contract. You use the remaining on squad players - you don’t want expensive players being rotated when that budget could help sign or keep (new contracts) your best players.MuttleyCAFC said:It still is nonsense for me. Why not have 10 - 6 - 8? Surely you try to maximise the first number without putting a limit on it.
Your top 8 start most games, 1-3 academy players make up the starting 11, with 1-2 squad players filling any gaps.1 -
I don't believe it is being implemented, so I'm not bothering trying to insert names in columns.0
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I may not necessarily agree with the framework, and it will be interesting to see if Jones was part of its formation.MuttleyCAFC said:It still is nonsense for me. Why not have 10 - 6 - 8? Surely you try to maximise the first number without putting a limit on it.
But as with whatever transfer strategy you have there are always going to be clear limits based on the budget you want to set, as well as how much onus you want to put on developing the youth.
They clearly feel they are willing to budget in the cost of 8 top league quality players into their budget - and that’s their prerogative.I don’t think it’s quiet as simple as saying take the cost of two ‘squad’ players and use that to buy two ‘elite’ players - because squad players will inevitably be a lot cheaper to get.0 -
Jones wasn't even here when 8+8+8 as an idea was conceived and unnecessarily made public.FishCostaFortune said:
I may not necessarily agree with the framework, and it will be interesting to see if Jones was part of its formation.MuttleyCAFC said:It still is nonsense for me. Why not have 10 - 6 - 8? Surely you try to maximise the first number without putting a limit on it.
But as with whatever transfer strategy you have there are always going to be clear limits based on the budget you want to set, as well as how much onus you want to put on developing the youth.
They clearly feel they are willing to budget in the cost of 8 top league quality players into their budget - and that’s their prerogative.I don’t think it’s quiet as simple as saying take the cost of two ‘squad’ players and use that to buy two ‘elite’ players - because squad players will inevitably be a lot cheaper to get.2 -
Considering how Jones seems to be in effect the decision maker, and got his wish to slim down the squad in January (even though the usual suspects thought it was some sort of cost cutting conspiracy) - will be interesting to know if it’s still even a thing.swordfish said:
Jones wasn't even here when 8+8+8 as an idea was conceived and unnecessarily made public.FishCostaFortune said:
I may not necessarily agree with the framework, and it will be interesting to see if Jones was part of its formation.MuttleyCAFC said:It still is nonsense for me. Why not have 10 - 6 - 8? Surely you try to maximise the first number without putting a limit on it.
But as with whatever transfer strategy you have there are always going to be clear limits based on the budget you want to set, as well as how much onus you want to put on developing the youth.
They clearly feel they are willing to budget in the cost of 8 top league quality players into their budget - and that’s their prerogative.I don’t think it’s quiet as simple as saying take the cost of two ‘squad’ players and use that to buy two ‘elite’ players - because squad players will inevitably be a lot cheaper to get.0 -
It was always just a Marketing Team name for a typical squad building process. You can play the triple 8 game on most promotion contenders and see the pattern.0
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I’m not sure other promotion contenders would have as many academy players in and around the first team?CL_Phantom said:It was always just a Marketing Team name for a typical squad building process. You can play the triple 8 game on most promotion contenders and see the pattern.2 -
If it is, it's not something to be rigidly adhered to because that would place an additional and unnecessary restriction on the recruitment process, which I'm sure is hard enough as it is working within budgets and ensuring cover for positions.FishCostaFortune said:
Considering how Jones seems to be in effect the decision maker, and got his wish to slim down the squad in January (even though the usual suspects thought it was some sort of cost cutting conspiracy) - will be interesting to know if it’s still even a thing.swordfish said:
Jones wasn't even here when 8+8+8 as an idea was conceived and unnecessarily made public.FishCostaFortune said:
I may not necessarily agree with the framework, and it will be interesting to see if Jones was part of its formation.MuttleyCAFC said:It still is nonsense for me. Why not have 10 - 6 - 8? Surely you try to maximise the first number without putting a limit on it.
But as with whatever transfer strategy you have there are always going to be clear limits based on the budget you want to set, as well as how much onus you want to put on developing the youth.
They clearly feel they are willing to budget in the cost of 8 top league quality players into their budget - and that’s their prerogative.I don’t think it’s quiet as simple as saying take the cost of two ‘squad’ players and use that to buy two ‘elite’ players - because squad players will inevitably be a lot cheaper to get.0 -
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I’m not sure other promotion contenders would have as many academy players in and around the first team?CL_Phantom said:It was always just a Marketing Team name for a typical squad building process. You can play the triple 8 game on most promotion contenders and see the pattern.
If they had half decent academies they probably would.
8 top players, so make them your all important spine that the vast majority of fans say you need plus 2/3 extra depending on how you see it and squad fill around it.
GK
CB
CM
AM
FWD
GK
CB CB
CM CM
AM
FWD
Revolutionary stuff this 888
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I'd question Docherty and Berry being in the elite list. Whilst they certainly had it in them to be 'elite', I feel any magic that they had could be a bit too hit and miss. Other than that I think Callum's revisitation works well for that squad in League One. As others have said though, we're not in that division anymore. Either you need to upgrade the model for the division we're in, resulting in the majority of those players on the 'elite' list probably needing to drop down to 'consistent', or you scrap the model as an unwanted Methvenism.2
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I think that's close. When I saw it presented I was convinced it was extracted from a larger presentation that had been made to potential investors. It smacked of corporate BS - the type of stuff they present to try and convince people that there is a sustainable plan in place...CL_Phantom said:It was always just a Marketing Team name for a typical squad building process. You can play the triple 8 game on most promotion contenders and see the pattern.2 -
I'd call it a lot more than nonsense.MuttleyCAFC said:It still is nonsense for me. Why not have 10 - 6 - 8? Surely you try to maximise the first number without putting a limit on it.0 - Sponsored links:
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There are a few methods for ranking academies, and as an example on this one ours ranks 12th in the whole country. Reading are the only other L1 club last season who were near that.CL_Phantom said:Scoham said:
I’m not sure other promotion contenders would have as many academy players in and around the first team?CL_Phantom said:It was always just a Marketing Team name for a typical squad building process. You can play the triple 8 game on most promotion contenders and see the pattern.
If they had half decent academies they probably would.
8 top players, so make them your all important spine that the vast majority of fans say you need plus 2/3 extra depending on how you see it and squad fill around it.
GK
CB
CM
AM
FWD
GK
CB CB
CM CM
AM
FWD
Revolutionary stuff this 888
https://trainingground.guru/chelsea-top-academy-productivity-rankings-for-second-time-in-a-row/
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If I was to critique that, retrospectively, I’d reduce the Elite column down to Ramsey, Jones, Small, Godden. Possibly Edwards, though I was disappointed with his play off performances. Doherty and Berry I’d def drop down. Coventry I think like Edwards has a bit to prove that they are Champ quality.Callumcafc said:
Revisited post promotion…Callumcafc said:Elite
“players any side in League One would want, could step up”
Kayne Ramsay
Lloyd Jones
Josh Edwards
Thierry Small
Conor Coventry
Greg Docherty
Luke Berry
Matt Godden
Consistent
“won’t let you down when called upon”
Will Mannion
Macauley Gillesphey
Alex Mitchell
Tennai Watson
Terry Taylor
Alex Gilbert
Chuks Aneke
Danny Hylton
Gassan Ahadme
Academy
“young talent able to contribute”
Ashley Maynard-Brewer
Zach Mitchell
Nathan Asiimwe
Karoy Anderson
Tyreece Campbell
Kaheim Dixon
Daniel Kanu
Miles Leaburn1 -
Callumcafc said:
Revisited post promotion…Callumcafc said:Elite
“players any side in League One would want, could step up”
If it's post-promotion, shouldn't the Elite 8 be "players any side in the Championship would want, ready to step up"
Don't think we have anybody like that at the moment, but hopefully that will change.1 -
I assume that academy players would move up to the other categories as they become established. TC for example, based on his role in the side, would be classed in the Elite group, and even though we didn't see it this season much, Miles might be classified as Elite as well, or certainly consistent.Callumcafc said:
Revisited post promotion…Callumcafc said:Elite
“players any side in League One would want, could step up”
Kayne Ramsay
Lloyd Jones
Josh Edwards
Thierry Small
Conor Coventry
Greg Docherty
Luke Berry
Matt Godden
Consistent
“won’t let you down when called upon”
Will Mannion
Macauley Gillesphey
Alex Mitchell
Tennai Watson
Terry Taylor
Alex Gilbert
Chuks Aneke
Danny Hylton
Gassan Ahadme
Academy
“young talent able to contribute”
Ashley Maynard-Brewer
Zach Mitchell
Nathan Asiimwe
Karoy Anderson
Tyreece Campbell
Kaheim Dixon
Daniel Kanu
Miles Leaburn
The likes of AMB and Anderson are also established first teamers so "consistent".
Gilesphey is arguably as "elite" as Docherty and Berry
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I am of the belief that it shouldn't be an 8 8 8 and just a simple 24.
In the end they were all elite and any side in league one would have wanted them as they all got promoted as a unit. A well oiled machine.
I don't think it's fair to say any player is better than another as it was all a team effort.
a whole is more valuable or effective than the sum of its individual components when they are combined0 -
Any League One side in the top half would want to sign any of those Elite players as they all made a serious contribution to our promotion. One might even add Mannion, Gillesphey and Gilbert to that list?Callumcafc said:
Revisited post promotion…Callumcafc said:Elite
“players any side in League One would want, could step up”
Kayne Ramsay
Lloyd Jones
Josh Edwards
Thierry Small
Conor Coventry
Greg Docherty
Luke Berry
Matt Godden
Consistent
“won’t let you down when called upon”
Will Mannion
Macauley Gillesphey
Alex Mitchell
Tennai Watson
Terry Taylor
Alex Gilbert
Chuks Aneke
Danny Hylton
Gassan Ahadme
Academy
“young talent able to contribute”
Ashley Maynard-Brewer
Zach Mitchell
Nathan Asiimwe
Karoy Anderson
Tyreece Campbell
Kaheim Dixon
Daniel Kanu
Miles Leaburn
Some of the young talent from the Academy certainly contributed, just not all. Every year fans support the Academy players but some demand the finished article at the start of the season!
And when it comes to the "consistent" list, they either contributed and/or they are out of contract so no longer a concern for our club.
Now that we have the otcome we desired all along, it makes sense to review the approach as if it were the start of last season, or even January 2024 when this was first published. Some mistakes were made for sure, and we would all have preferred more certainty, more talent signed in January 2025. But the fact is that we showed outstanding form since early December 2024 with 15/16 of the players above playing almost all of the minutes.
The club must now consider which of those 15 can make a serious contribution towards a mid-table finish in the Championship, and where we need to strengthen for next time.2 -
Gotta try and make it something like 4-12-8 for the first season back in the Championship and gradually build from there.
Need championship quality in not just the first 11 but from the bench/in reserve too. Then academy talent will be able to flourish in patches, rather than being out of their depth and/or becoming relied on before they’re ready0 -
I'm 90% sure this was a Steve Brown "invention" btw, possibly based on some advice he would've given the SMT at the time. But something he would've probably wanted to keep behind closed doors rather than out and open for ridicule.
My reasoning for that is that he sat in the Charlton TV studio many times in the 18 odd months leading up to that SMT session and talked about winning promotion with a core 7-8 players that can step up and supplementing that core with consistent performers at the level plus academy talent.
It then morphed into the marketing slide everyone has loved to ridicule since.1 -
Everyone is overthinking this. It was meant to be a framework not a hard and fast rule. Probably overvalued our youth as we weren’t probably going to have 8 youth contributing. Every club has a roster strategy so whether it is 8-8-8 or 10-10-4, it doesn’t really matte4 as it is just a general concept0
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So more like 8+5+3. Jones has done an incredible job with that squad.Callumcafc said:
Revisited post promotion…Callumcafc said:Elite
“players any side in League One would want, could step up”
Kayne Ramsay
Lloyd Jones
Josh Edwards
Thierry Small
Conor Coventry
Greg Docherty
Luke Berry
Matt Godden
Consistent
“won’t let you down when called upon”
Will Mannion
Macauley Gillesphey
Alex Mitchell
Tennai Watson
Terry Taylor
Alex Gilbert
Chuks Aneke
Danny Hylton
Gassan Ahadme
Academy
“young talent able to contribute”
Ashley Maynard-Brewer
Zach Mitchell
Nathan Asiimwe
Karoy Anderson
Tyreece Campbell
Kaheim Dixon
Daniel Kanu
Miles Leaburn2
