Residents Parking Expansion for SE7 - UPDATE PAGE 3

valleynick66

JohnnyH2 said:

valleynick66 said:

JohnnyH2 said:

sam3110 said:

One solution in my eyes would be to link up with nearby car parks for a park and ride scheme. The car park at IKEA is half full at most at any one time, yhere's a multi storey one near the O2 that is rarely used, even on concert nights it doesn't fill up most of the time, and a couple in Woolwich town centre that have capacities far bigger than current needs (the Sainsbury's one for instance)

Combine that with the overflow parking that isn't ever used at Stone Lake Retail Park, you've got the beginnings of a network of places not too far from The Valley (some within walking distance) that could actually handle the capacity, and make more money too, be it through the club paying a lump sum or through subscriptions

We pretty much already have a park and ride from Woolwich. A few car parks, with loads of buses using the lower road with the route to The Valley in bus lanes. Currently takes me no more than 10 minutes.

Except that’s a parking fee and 2 x bus fares for each person. 

That will add up for some very quickly. 

Park and ride needs to be an incentivised inclusive amount. 

The vast majority of times I take the car to away games its very rare if i don't have to pay for parking or end up walking a fair distance. It’s the norm with taking a car to an event over a certain spectator size. 

That may be true but the home supporters aren’t all doing the same as well. 

It shouldn’t be expensive to attend a home game. 

These changes are a disincentive. 

Personally I now (infrequent attender) have resorted to public transport as it’s already hard to park. But that doesn’t make this scheme right. 

JohnnyH2

valleynick66 said:

JohnnyH2 said:

valleynick66 said:

JohnnyH2 said:

sam3110 said:

One solution in my eyes would be to link up with nearby car parks for a park and ride scheme. The car park at IKEA is half full at most at any one time, yhere's a multi storey one near the O2 that is rarely used, even on concert nights it doesn't fill up most of the time, and a couple in Woolwich town centre that have capacities far bigger than current needs (the Sainsbury's one for instance)

Combine that with the overflow parking that isn't ever used at Stone Lake Retail Park, you've got the beginnings of a network of places not too far from The Valley (some within walking distance) that could actually handle the capacity, and make more money too, be it through the club paying a lump sum or through subscriptions

We pretty much already have a park and ride from Woolwich. A few car parks, with loads of buses using the lower road with the route to The Valley in bus lanes. Currently takes me no more than 10 minutes.

Except that’s a parking fee and 2 x bus fares for each person. 

That will add up for some very quickly. 

Park and ride needs to be an incentivised inclusive amount. 

The vast majority of times I take the car to away games its very rare if i don't have to pay for parking or end up walking a fair distance. It’s the norm with taking a car to an event over a certain spectator size. 

That may be true but the home supporters aren’t all doing the same as well. 

It shouldn’t be expensive to attend a home game. 

These changes are a disincentive. 

Personally I now (infrequent attender) have resorted to public transport as it’s already hard to park. But that doesn’t make this scheme right. 

The scheme is not right, like a lot of stuff we have to find a way around it.

AFKABartram

Braziliance said:

Bit of an uproar about this, but you just need to get ahead of the curve and make other arrangements.

That’s fine, but the reality is not everyone will, or can. 

I’ll use a personal example, midweek games I take one of my sons. Not overly happy him being out late on a school night but Charlton always finds a way of coming first :-)  If it means after the game we’d have to go through the process of two train journeys with a waiting gap in between, then a walk home, in winter, I’m not sure that will happen. Sure that would be a case for a lot of families, people generally don’t want their kids slogging around on trains and buses gone 10 o clock midweek.

One of my family doesn’t finish work till 6.30, it’s a tough turnaround as it is but just able viable with the car. It wouldn’t be via public transport. And we are ardent thick n thinners. Same with people that drive straight from finishing work and don’t have time to go home first. 

Absolutely the last thing out club needs right now is something likely to eat further into the few that are still attending. 

valleynick66

ValleyGary

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

soapy_jones

Common-sense is always the natural prey of ideological zealots pushing pens and barking dictates one soundbite after another!  

valleynick66

ValleyGary said:

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

No. The deers might be ok but as for the Sleigh I doubt it 😆

Covered End

ValleyGary said:

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

I think so.

JohnnyH2

ValleyGary said:depends 

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

Depends where you mean top of the park. If you enter the park and the animal enclosures are just inside the entrance, then that is not ok

ct_addick

Errrr......you bought a home near a football ground

addick19

stevexreeve said:

Drivers going to the valley are annoyed because they might have to get a bus or walk a mile or so.

But I can't help wondering what it's like when you come home after work and have to park a mile away from your house.

Somebody has to suffer !

Why does anyone have to 'suffer' just so Greenwich council can line their coffers? Have some thought for those supporters who re elderly or infirm and who simply cant walk that far. Oh I'll tell you who else will suffer, the club. Surel7 you don't believe the council are doing this to benefit the residents?

Lucky_the_Cat

Charlton_Charlie said:

Greenwich Council is currently doing exactly what it wants with regards to private cars..it's following an idealogy no matter how negatively that impacts the experience of the people it's meant to serve. Case in point: it's just finished a 'consultation' on whether to introduce LTNs around Westcombe Park. All the evidence it presented was wrong and - having gone through the responses that were open to bloody anyone - the idea has been overwhelmingly rejected by the residents that it affects, yet we're all bracing ourselves for it to be announced shortly. During this process, they didn't speak to any businesses that will be affected (despite claiming that they did...ask Trevor what he thinks next time you're in the Ale House) and designed the 'consultation' in such a way that it was almost impossible to give a negative opinion. It's almost enough to make me want to vote Tory...

If you are looking for council officials or councillors that have any experience of running a business with its own premises, that employs staff, and has to work to attract customers, and all the rest.....well, the best of luck in that quest. They haven't a clue and quite frankly don't care. As long as they can play their games while being well rewarded, with salaries, pensions and benefits that the rest of us have to pay for, they are happy to lord it over us.

I have run real businesses in Greenwich for the last forty years, and when I pushed a council official at one of the recent LTN (farcical) presentations to tell me how many businesses in and around the affected areas they had discussed (you know - that talking thing) their proposals with, the answer was that they hadn't actually done that at all. Nothing! Zero! They had made no effort whatsoever to try to understand what impact all of this stuff on paper was likely to have on the businesses that employ local people, that serve the local community and pay into the Council coffers. It's because they have their own agenda. Football supporters and football clubs, like businesses, are an annoyance that they could do without.

Our football club means nothing to these people. It just gets in the way from time to time.

Enough!

ValleyGary

JohnnyH2 said:

ValleyGary said:depends 

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

Depends where you mean top of the park. If you enter the park and the animal enclosures are just inside the entrance, then that is not ok

Flamsted Road I believe it is 

JohnnyH2

ValleyGary said:

JohnnyH2 said:

ValleyGary said:depends 

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

Depends where you mean top of the park. If you enter the park and the animal enclosures are just inside the entrance, then that is not ok

Flamsted Road I believe it is 

That will be affected 

AddicksAddict

Walkingred said:

InspectorSands said:

An update has just come through the door - one letter for two flats, of course.

The CPZ is as discussed above is happening - more details to follow "mid November" when a go-live date will be announced.

More importantly, a separate Charlton matchday CPZ is being planned with restrictions until 9pm on matchdays. This would cover most areas north of Charlton Park and the area behind the British Oak pub. 

A consultation has begun and is open until November 8. 

https://parkingingreenwich.commonplace.is/en-GB/proposals/charlton-match-day-parking-restrictions/step1

(edit: it's *everything* shaded in this map, no matter the colour)

I've been going 20 times a year for 25 years and it's just taken me 10 minutes to find The Valley on that map.

You sound like a bloke looking for a clitoris.

AFKABartram

ValleyGary said:

JohnnyH2 said:

ValleyGary said:depends 

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

Depends where you mean top of the park. If you enter the park and the animal enclosures are just inside the entrance, then that is not ok

Flamsted Road I believe it is 

Yes, it takes out everything in that bit from Thorntree Rd into Woodland Ter, up to Maryon Rd, right at Maryon Rd, then Hawkins Ter up to Little Heath. So includes Flamsteed, Heathwood Gdns, Kinveaky Gdns and McColl Crescent all in that section.

Then as you go west, everything north of Charlton Rd, through the village, and Xharlton Rd on the other side until you get to Couthurst Rd, then it goes further south to Old Dover Road and then all the way to the A102 Blackwell Tunnel approach line

Amos on the wing

Leyton Orient have had similar issues with Waltham Forest Council imposing parking restrictions to all
day Saturday around the area. 

It’s a ridiculous decision by Greenwich Borough Council and I feel for the fans that it will generally impact. Coming from North London for home games the options on trains especially with the Elizabeth Line and the 10 minute bus ride from Woolwich to the Valley makes it a non starter for me to drive and face the Blackwall tunnel.

C_A_F_C

ValleyGary said:

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

The deers may start demanding a toll.

Dazzler21

ValleyGary said:

JohnnyH2 said:

ValleyGary said:depends 

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

Depends where you mean top of the park. If you enter the park and the animal enclosures are just inside the entrance, then that is not ok

Flamsted Road I believe it is 

I normally park on Canberra Road or Hornfair, no idea on that map if I need to park further away but a nightmare when I bring the young kids along if the walk gets too much longer. 

Recommendations welcome as I don't want to disincentivize the kids into coming to the Valley. 

sam3110

Dazzler21 said:

ValleyGary said:

JohnnyH2 said:

ValleyGary said:depends 

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

Depends where you mean top of the park. If you enter the park and the animal enclosures are just inside the entrance, then that is not ok

Flamsted Road I believe it is 

I normally park on Canberra Road or Hornfair, no idea on that map if I need to park further away but a nightmare when I bring the young kids along if the walk gets too much longer. 

Recommendations welcome as I don't want to disincentivize the kids into coming to the Valley. 

No that's fine on that side of Charlton Park, the CPZ only goes up to the northern boundary of the park 

sam3110

Similarly anyone parking in and around the Marlborough Lane area will be fine, until the area between the Shell garage and Sun in the Sands roundabout, running down towards Charlton Road

sam3110

If it helps I've roughly traced it over Google maps 

paulbaconsarnie

The sensible thing would be having a match day agreement in place with one of the nearby retail carparks that has anpr whereby people can register their cars fo a small fee to stay for a set longer time.
But the club has a car park with a circa 250 car capacity and imo they should at least be offering quite a percentage of those who this will genuinely affect (perhaps blue badge holders) rather than selling the spaces at hugely inflated prices as part of hospitality and match day packages.

golfaddick

sam3110 said:

Dazzler21 said:

ValleyGary said:

JohnnyH2 said:

ValleyGary said:depends 

I can’t make any sense from that map. I usually park up the top of the park (and walk down past the deers etc) is that still gonna be okay? 

Depends where you mean top of the park. If you enter the park and the animal enclosures are just inside the entrance, then that is not ok

Flamsted Road I believe it is 

I normally park on Canberra Road or Hornfair, no idea on that map if I need to park further away but a nightmare when I bring the young kids along if the walk gets too much longer. 

Recommendations welcome as I don't want to disincentivize the kids into coming to the Valley. 

No that's fine on that side of Charlton Park, the CPZ only goes up to the northern boundary of the park 

Well it wont be fine when the CPZ comes in as all the cars that used to park nearer the ground will have to find somewhere else to park.....namely the roads where @Dazzler21 usually parks now.

Its typical of brainless politicians/local councillors. Not thinking where the displaced cars are now going to park. Its going to make the situation worse....not better. Yes, some people will change habits & will come by bus or train. Some will stop coming completely. But the vast majority will still drive (some out of necessity) and will just clog up the roads even more. Anyone arriving after 2pm wont be able to park anywhere & in desperation will leave their car on single /double yellows, over driveways or unsafely on a corner of a road etc.  

golfaddick

paulbaconsarnie said:

The sensible thing would be having a match day agreement in place with one of the nearby retail carparks that has anpr whereby people can register their cars fo a small fee to stay for a set longer time.
But the club has a car park with a circa 250 car capacity and imo they should at least be offering quite a percentage of those who this will genuinely affect (perhaps blue badge holders) rather than selling the spaces at hugely inflated prices as part of hospitality and match day packages.

This.

KingKinsella

Valley Ant said:

KingKinsella said:

Valley Ant said:

Siv_in_Norfolk said:

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

I'm all for ditching cars, but public transport needs to be made cheaper 

The proposal is not about ditching cars. It's about freeing up parking spaces "for local residents, businesses and their visitors".

Aren't we visiting a local business?

I totally agree and made that point in my previous posting. I was just answering a comment from Siv in Norfolk. 

Apologies I hadn't read the whole thread, but also it was abit rhetorical, why don't the Council recognise the trade brought to local food \cafe's (pubs -for non driving passengers).

KingKinsella

valleynick66 said:

This decorates the wall of my smallest room in the house where I do my day dreaming

KingKinsella

paulbaconsarnie said:

The sensible thing would be having a match day agreement in place with one of the nearby retail carparks that has anpr whereby people can register their cars fo a small fee to stay for a set longer time.
But the club has a car park with a circa 250 car capacity and imo they should at least be offering quite a percentage of those who this will genuinely affect (perhaps blue badge holders) rather than selling the spaces at hugely inflated prices as part of hospitality and match day packages.

There's a distinct lack of entrepreneurial spirit amongst the local  large retail  park traders. Apart from maybe December they could be earning some handy money.

Ross

paulbaconsarnie said:

The sensible thing would be having a match day agreement in place with one of the nearby retail carparks that has anpr whereby people can register their cars fo a small fee to stay for a set longer time.
But the club has a car park with a circa 250 car capacity and imo they should at least be offering quite a percentage of those who this will genuinely affect (perhaps blue badge holders) rather than selling the spaces at hugely inflated prices as part of hospitality and match day packages.

I, along with many others, used to park in the retail park off the roundabout opposite Ransom Walk. However, when the Olympics happened in 2012 parking restrictions were put in place, presumably to stop people parking there and then heading over the water to the stadium. That, coupled with the closure of a couple of the '£5 to park on private land' car parks disappearing, make it even harder for parking to come by BEFORE these restrictions come in.

addick19

paulbaconsarnie said:

The sensible thing would be having a match day agreement in place with one of the nearby retail carparks that has anpr whereby people can register their cars fo a small fee to stay for a set longer time.
But the club has a car park with a circa 250 car capacity and imo they should at least be offering quite a percentage of those who this will genuinely affect (perhaps blue badge holders) rather than selling the spaces at hugely inflated prices as part of hospitality and match day packages.

The club do have a small area for disabled drivers. Can't see them losing out on revenue just out of the goodness of their hearts- it's a business after all.